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 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody having trouble getting on GW's site?

Yep, loads apparently. Spesh Mahreens be so popular the servers have melted.

Unless you're after some LE stuff, probably better off with an Indy site.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody having trouble getting on GW's site?

Not in the United States, no Sir.

 Kelly502 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Anybody having trouble getting on GW's site?

Not in the United States, no Sir.

Its mid morning on Saturday in the UK, I expect the issues on the US site have moved over as more people fall asleep/wake up in various places, I had no issues looking at the pre order stuff at 2am, can get the page to even open now.

I wonder, if someone is desperate for the limited edition codex, it's worth going into GW stores to get it.

Presumably they're on a VPN and so should be able to get into the site directly.

 livanbard wrote:
ok, is the digital codex out? Even if I got the book, brazillian taxes will kill me.

Send a note to GW making it clear that they have to state that the contents of your package are written material - books. This way brazilian customs cannot tax you. They probably will, anyway, but you have to present support documents to prove that you're buying a book. It will take longer for the Codex to reach you, but you'll not pay more for that.

 Compel wrote:
I wonder, if someone is desperate for the limited edition codex, it's worth going into GW stores to get it.

Presumably they're on a VPN and so should be able to get into the site directly.

Lol.

I keep odd hours, in future I may offer an "order your LE thing for you" service, where I go on the UK site at 4am in the morning and secure said item with minimal fuss and before the masses are even conscious.

For a small fee, natch.

Sethorly wrote:
Would you mind listing good online discounters for a UK buyer please? Or is that not allowed here?

DarkSphere is probably the cheapest I can find in Blighty. With the discount the prices are almost reasonable. Almost.

 Compel wrote:
I wonder, if someone is desperate for the limited edition codex, it's worth going into GW stores to get it.

Presumably they're on a VPN and so should be able to get into the site directly.

No, I went in to my local GW store this morning and they haven't been able to get the website up or anyone on the telephone since 9am.

I was only able to get some paint and some sniper scouts for my son; I wasn't able to preorder anything.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Try this page, its a direct link to the pre orders page, its opening for me, but might be cached.

Nope, buggered already.

Well, THAT's definitely an epic fail from GW.

Is the sticker shock on these all that surprising?

Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?

The quality and look of the models is moot. People are invested in the hobby and will typically stay that way -- at least in my area, 40k is the only tabletop game that people play. I have a sizable Warmachine army now, but can't even get anyone else to try it. Rather disappointing.

 NickTheButcher wrote:
Is the sticker shock on these all that surprising?

Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?

It's always been an expensive hobby, but this is the first time I've ever winced when I opened the prices. £18 for a single character model is ridiculous, that used to buy you a tactical squad when I first started with GW.

 Sidstyler wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:
GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.

They've done that very thing countless times before with other kits and didn't seem to care if people were outraged or not. "Our product is the best in the woooorld!" is all the justification they've ever needed.

In this instance, the new Tactical Squad kit is a significant improvement. It is not a small change.

The price increase for the kit is surprisingly small given GW's usual practice.

Everyone has their own opinion on the right price for the kit but this one bothers me far, far less than most of their offerings.

I'm in for a regular codex and a Sternguard set. I don't need the other new kits, and I need different models (Drop Pod, Razorbacks, TFC) to round out my list.

 NickTheButcher wrote:
Is the sticker shock on these all that surprising?

Did people really believe that prices would go down or that the kits would be cheap? In the time I've played this game, the prices have always been ridiculous. Did I miss somewhere in the past where this was a cheap hobby?

Well, I know what happened with me.

All the prices are usually listed in $, and, say what you like, it doesn't feel like real money to a Brit, plus we don't know what the colonial tax is going to be on some items.

When I looked at a LE codex with £70.00 Add To Cart? On the page, that is when it all became very real, and that is when a nice cover and piece of ribbon became a lot less appealing.

Thing is, I'd have paid £50 without thinking about it, but this is just too much, especially as, have some have said already, it won't be worth anything in an edition, so I can't even think of it as an "investment"

 Imposter101 wrote:

Because it's totally reasonable to reduce everyone's criticisms to whining, and not seeming to understand that instead of berating people over such opinions. You yourself are whining, and by your own logic, you really should be leaving.

Back on topic, while both the Sternguard and Tactical box set's look great, the price tag is pretty unreasonable. Even more so for the plastic HQ's, which at £18 per fig are simply ludicrous. Though I'll try and see if any of the online retailers are offering a good discount.

Didn't you piss your pants in another thread over me saying that people are just complaining about the price?

QED eh?

Finecast Lib in termie armour £15. New plastic Lib in power armour £18.
This just doesn't make sense to me.

Plastic molds are more expensive than finecast molds. Also imo, the increase in durability is easily worth that extra £3, and the librarian is a fething sweet model. I probably wouldn't bother with the captain and chaplain at that price, but the librarian is definitely worth it.

It makes perfect sense, Bubber. GW are SAVING you money.

Between fuel costs and parking charges for the town centre coming to more than the £3, buying the plastic librarian saves you money by you not needing to return the finecast one.

 bubber wrote:
Finecast Lib in termie armour £15. New plastic Lib in power armour £18.
This just doesn't make sense to me.

You pay more for better quality

On another note, do we know if we'll be able to take more than 1 Landraider as a dedicated transport for Terminators?

 bubber wrote:
Finecast Lib in termie armour £15. New plastic Lib in power armour £18.
This just doesn't make sense to me.

They call it Supply & Demand


Demand for FC Lib / Supply for FC Lib < Demand for plastic Lib / Supply plastic Lib

They call it a shakey business model that's starting to alienate their fans/customers

The GW site is having issues due to the sheer number of neckbeards wanting to get their hands on a codex with a special £35 dust jacket that matches the colour of their little plastic army men.

I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.

It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.

It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.

Yeah, the covers are a nice idea and the art looks pretty cool but there is no way I am paying £70 for it just so I could have a book that matches my army.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.

It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.

Yet, the current state of the site says they've still got sufficient numbers of people falling over themselves to give them their money.

Hell, until I got an "add to cart" reality check, I was almost one of them.

This is kind of sad. I was planning on the Ultramarines LE book. Easily justifiable, as I'm building and painting an Ultramarines battle company right now, and the release coincides with that, so why not? But at $115, I can get the regular codex, a box of the new sternguard and still have change left over for the bus...

geez. I still wouldn't mind having it, but $115 for the same book is a bit to hard to swallow. Probably going to have to pass. At least the regular dex has UM on the cover...

 azreal13 wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I think the covers are pretty awesome, but £70 is just... madness. I can't justify that. The peak was £50 for the Tau book and even then I was apprehensive.

It's incredulous to think GW set these prices when their "core market" is relying on parents to purchase this stuff. Insane.

Yet, the current state of the site says they've still got sufficient numbers of people falling over themselves to give them their money.

Hell, until I got an "add to cart" reality check, I was almost one of them.

To be fair, it could be a lot of people looking at the new shiny. We have no way to say how many are converting in to sales. In saying that, you're probably correct. Still boggles the mind.

Exactly. I went on the site last night for sprue pics, I already knew i wasn't going to be buying direct.

I remember years back when GW really started getting into producing plastic models & sited that plastics would lead to cheaper minis. Maybe that was the original motivation but it seems to have been lost along the way.
Probably due to old duffers like me that still have the original Lib models in lead & not really needing replacements & therefore having to increase the proffit margins to make up for fewer sales. But then I don't work in marketing.

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I still think the new tac squad was a waste. Not only that but I'm more than a little ticked that GW thought it was necessary to replace the tac squad with a kit that looks almost exactly the same (until you start looking really close), but Tau crisis suits and Eldar jetbikes were good as-is.

Eh, it's a money thing. GW wanted to raise the prices on Tac squads, probably one of the most purchased items in all of 40k, but raising the prices without changing the kit would have brought outrage, so they changed the kit a small bit, so that they can say it's different, new, and better and justifies the higher price.

In fairness to GW, lots of people were precisely wishing for new Tactical squad box: poses in the old ones were disliked and it didn't have enough weapons options. Besides, with every starter set containing tactical marines, they're one of the easiest items to get cheap on secondary market.