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Actually I think the Vanguards are quite reasonable for what you get, the Tac-box seems to be ok but I wouldn't buy it even if it stayed the old price and the Sternguard-box looks really awesome but is probably a bit too expensive for my taste.

At the moment I'm considering to get the codex and one of the veteran boxes but I'm not entirely sure as I own at least 5 models of both already. I think I'll decide it after a look through the codex.

The new miniatures are mostly quite good looking but the pricing will mean that i won't buy any of them. Tbh, i don't know how GW expects to attract new players when even a small starter army will cost around 100€ + rulebook.

I think both vet boxes will give enough bits to combine with tact or assault marines to create a bunch more than what's in the box. so i reckon you will be able to get your moneys worth eventually.

Well, prices aside. What can we expect from the new SM codex? SM as top tier? No, I guess not. It will be still rather boring to play vanilla SM.

KingDeath wrote:
The new miniatures are mostly quite good looking but the pricing will mean that i won't buy any of them. Tbh, i don't know how GW expects to attract new players when even a small starter army will cost around 100€ + rulebook.

IMO, most of the players will use the book just for update there armies, For attracting new players, GW have more way for that. The one click collection are more for hardcore hobbyists.

For the price, the book is 70$ in Canada and 140 for the limited edition (115$ in US). One is ok, the other is too much because I can made the comparison with the US price (don't want to know the Australian's price). The price for the strike force is good and may be i will buy it next year.

ansacs wrote:
The termi libby is actually a fantastic sculpt btw. For that level of detail I am very impressed they managed to get it into plastic.
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Their plastic is actually very very good. The level of detail Finecast offers over it is so tiny of a difference i doubt anyone would care if they went plastic and ditched finecast. I have the Cadre for Tau and hes plastic and seriously his detail is spot on (too bad i'll almost never use him since i hate castle tau and he excels in it. Friend bought it for me thats why i even have it)

Jadenim wrote:Anyone else noticed that they are now charging more for the iPad codex than the standard hardback?!

I was already in a dilemma about whether to pay full price instead of FLGS discounted price to get the iBook features, now I'm really going to have to consider my options carefully.

On the plus side I notice that they've put all the plain ebook versions onto the iBook store now...

I already thought it was dumb the hardbook version costed the same as the ipad one. Usually hardbook jacks the price up by 10-15 dollars. I dont have an ipad so i'll never buy it anyway but even if i had one i wouldnt...i'd rather have the book.

Probably going to buy the rulebook even though i dont play SM. Tired of being left in the dark on details on new models i dont use lol

 hellpato wrote:

KingDeath wrote:
The new miniatures are mostly quite good looking but the pricing will mean that i won't buy any of them. Tbh, i don't know how GW expects to attract new players when even a small starter army will cost around 100€ + rulebook.

IMO, most of the players will use the book just for update there armies, For attracting new players, GW have more way for that. The one click collection are more for hardcore hobbyists.

For the price, the book is 70$ in Canada and 140 for the limited edition (115$ in US). One is ok, the other is too much because I can made the comparison with the US price (don't want to know the Australian's price). The price for the strike force is good and may be i will buy it next year.

For those playing at home for Australia players the limited ed is $190 and the standard is $90 odd

 Vineheart01 wrote:

ansacs wrote:
The termi libby is actually a fantastic sculpt btw. For that level of detail I am very impressed they managed to get it into plastic.
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Their plastic is actually very very good. The level of detail Finecast offers over it is so tiny of a difference i doubt anyone would care if they went plastic and ditched finecast. I have the Cadre for Tau and hes plastic and seriously his detail is spot on (too bad i'll almost never use him since i hate castle tau and he excels in it. Friend bought it for me thats why i even have it)

Oh, yes, they can do a lot with plastic. I just wonder. if they switched to Finecast because the materials were cheaper than metal, and if plastic is supposed to be even cheaper than Finecast, then why are these new plastic characters more expensive than their Finecast counterparts which, in turn, were more expensive than the original metals?

Simple

Because they can lol no real reason other than that

Since I am just coming back to WH40k and playing Imperial Guard this time. I shall just get the standard SM codex. The rules are I shall need for the most part. Paying twice the amount as the regular codex seems too much for a limited edition. Especially so when I want to collect all of new 6th Ed. Codexes.

Are the Blood Angels and Space Wolves also included in the new codex or do I have to wait for those 6th Ed codexes as well?

BA and SWs are definitely not in the Codex

SYKOJAK wrote:
Since I am just coming back to WH40k and playing Imperial Guard this time. I shall just get the standard SM codex. The rules are I shall need for the most part. Paying twice the amount as the regular codex seems too much for a limited edition. Especially so when I want to collect all of new 6th Ed. Codexes.

Are the Blood Angels and Space Wolves also included in the new codex or do I have to wait for those 6th Ed codexes as well?

As Shadox said, BA and SW are not in the codex. The same holds for DA of course. Its not clear if BA and SW will ever get a 6th ed update. Maybe we'll have to wait for the 7th ed.

While I think the new Stalker tank is a bit pricey for a Rhino with extra bits it really does look pretty cool. While I only use Space Marines as Allies I might get one of those.

i wouldnt doubt it if people just put their Quad gun on top of their rhino to count as the stalker tank rofl

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i wouldnt doubt it if people just put their Quad gun on top of their rhino to count as the stalker tank rofl

Granted for truth.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i wouldnt doubt it if people just put their Quad gun on top of their rhino to count as the stalker tank rofl

Or build it as the hunter, and take the paired tri-barrels and make TFCs out of them.

tyrannosaurus wrote:
My worry is that more and more people will get priced out of this hobby, in particular at the entry level, which has to be a bad thing. £140 for a starter army [before spending money on the codex, paints, brushes, glue etc.] compared to £30ish for a computer game, I know which I would choose [if I hadn't already been given the hobby bug when I was a kid myself]. Plus, it doesn't really give people the option of trying out the game to see if they like it.

You are forgetting the £400 for a console or the £700+ for a decent gaming PC. I would think that 40k stacks up quite well against almost any other hobby or sport.

wufai wrote:
Just want to point out the current price point of existing models compaired to the new GW models. Comparsion are made base on type and complexity of models.

Old Lib @ 19.75CAD vs New Lib @$35CAD
Current Killa Kans @$55.50 vs SM inside a SM @$94
Current Tank @$69.25 vs New Tank @$80
BA DC squad @$39.50 vs New Vanguard @$50
GKSS @$39.50 vs New Sternguard @$60

I hate to always complain about prices. But I want to show that GW didn't increase their prices becuase of high tech design effort or new multi option bits. They do it just becuase they can. If you find these prices are justified by all means buy them.

Yeah I mean, the new tank is essentiall a rhino chassis with some pegs on the bottom and a couple of cool turrets. Certainly not a needed price increase.

I hate to say it but I might have seen the end of my space marine days, I'm hoping the tyranid release keeps me wanting more gw stuff,

BrotherVord wrote:
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Yeah I mean, the new tank is essentiall a rhino chassis with some pegs on the bottom and a couple of cool turrets. Certainly not a needed price increase.

I hate to say it but I might have seen the end of my space marine days, I'm hoping the tyranid release keeps me wanting more gw stuff,

I can only imagine Nids being more expensive, since you get bigger kits which ammount to fewer points. At least a centurion squad is over 200 points in game, whearas these massive MC units (wraithknight/riptide) barely amount to that and cost more $$$

 Flinty wrote:

tyrannosaurus wrote:
My worry is that more and more people will get priced out of this hobby, in particular at the entry level, which has to be a bad thing. £140 for a starter army [before spending money on the codex, paints, brushes, glue etc.] compared to £30ish for a computer game, I know which I would choose [if I hadn't already been given the hobby bug when I was a kid myself]. Plus, it doesn't really give people the option of trying out the game to see if they like it.

You are forgetting the £400 for a console or the £700+ for a decent gaming PC. I would think that 40k stacks up quite well against almost any other hobby or sport.

A PC has many other uses besides gaming. GW on the other hand offers nothing but a bunch of,sometimes good looking, plastic. I for one am almost priced out of the hobby, simply because it gets ever more difficult to find a positive connection between what GW offers and what i have to pay for it.

 Jadenim wrote:
Anyone else noticed that they are now charging more for the iPad codex than the standard hardback?!

Well it looks like the iPad version has an army builder into it now.

Now than I've seen the pics of Centurion sprues, I have to say I'm impressed by the little hidden details. The structure of the legs is really interesting and the designer has obviously put a lot thought into it. Sadly, same cannot be said of the upper body, it would be much better it the secondary weapons were located somewhere else and we could see the marine's arms instead. Also, the giant orky mittens are goofy and unnecessary, as Centurions apparently are not equipped with power fists. The model looks horrible, but the same time I'm tempted to get the kit just to convert it into something decent. I'm sure it can be done, it's just a lot of work.

The new centurions look ... interesting to say the least, I wouldnt go out and buy them, but if I found them at a reduced price I would have to think pretty hard about it.

Personally I think the old Sternguard and Vanguard look better, and im hoping to get an old Sternguard box before the new ones come out.

To me it seems as if coversion guys/gals are gonna be the ones all over the new stuff, for the many bits and options the sprues are providing.

And personally grav guns just sound stupid to me, and they better have some damn good fluff backing up why they just "appeared" with this codex.

Not trying to gak all over the whole release mind you, im excited for chapter traits and I like the new AA stuff as well, just dont know how much of it im going to buy.

Very overpriced as always but its nothing new for GW.

I like the look of the new sternguard allot but apart from that nothing particularly stands out.

As for the centurions I think THIS sums them up quite well:

Anyone had trouble with getting hold of the limited edition stuff?

There was a big hoo-hah at the local GW this morning. Website was down and the manager spent two hours on the phone, trying to put some orders through for people.

Honestly, all that trouble for some bloody Space Marines. Tch

So, Crusader Squad with 5 Knights and 5 Scrubs, meltagun, combi-melta and a hidden power weapon in a Drop Pod should land at 195 points (200 for plasma, 205 for Fist instead of PW), and if you wanted to you could buy another PW/PF. 50 scoring bodies in Drop Pods for 975 points with upgrades isn't too shabby. Even 40 for 780 is pretty good, and it leaves you with 970 points of other nice stuff if you're playing 1750 points.

For myself, as I have a fair number of leftover marines I never did anything with, I'll probably get either the vanguard or sternguard kit to expand my elite units (at present I only have one vanguard squad and a dreadnought), but if I didn't have the extra bodies to use the included bits on, I'd never buy those kits.

Even so, I'll end up buying a codex and one kit, and that's it for my marines. At the price point they're charging, I just want one kit of bits, and if I want anything else for the army, I 'll just go forgeworld. I'll pay what is now a marginal increase in price for an aesthetic I greatly prefer. Even that is unlikely however, with the way marines seem to be going, my already marginal interest in the army isn't about to be reinforced.

Also, what I've heard of the rules changes have been decidedly dissapointing; rather than bringing marines closer to the fluff of being very small in number and powerful, GW wants them to be more numerous to sell more models. Current marines are a very poor army, and rather than making them better, they'll just make them cost less.

<Warning for what mite happen. I tend to get lost on my points ><


I posted a thread about this topic and views on it. To recite it pretty much goes as following:

Centurions are stupid. Don't look all that appealing since...it's a space marine in a space marine...biiiig woop... especially since it seems like it tries to do what a Devistator Squads do along with it's other variant trying to do what Assault Squads and/or Assault Termis do. Just over all seems like some attempt to keep with what the Tau and Eldar did with bringing out the big guns(in this case not even all that impressive to say the least.

Sternguard seem well...idk fancier? Idk...idc...

Vanguard guys....eh cool I guess

Stalker/Hunter = I am throwing money at the screen why is nothing happening?!?!!?!? I love the big guns and I like what they say for fluff which makes we wants.

Other new stuff = ...Idc

Lastely the codex...Normal one is okay for the new one. Limited Edition ones can royally go and have fun with it all. Waste of money if you ask me. With that much you can get 2 Tact Squads and maybe some bits. Or get other stuff as a whole.

Summary: I'm a SW player soooo ya....I just want our own update to hurry up and get here. But if there is the chance we get our hands on some of this stuff...I could care less for all of it except for the Stalker/Hunter. That is probably the only thing I care about in this new codex. I was told I should look into getting the SM as allies...With this new stuff...HAHAHAHAHA YEAH RIGHT! I'll stick fully and only to my wolves GW! Your prices are very meh! Not to mention...if I may throw my own grain of salt into this:

Lower the Prices and idk maybe do some more advertising after you drop the prices down by a fair amount to not be as stupid, Stop your policy on other stores or w/e that stupidness was and watch how much more money you'll make for doing all this because of the new players, returning players, and current players buying you out just because they want what you are now selling at a better and more reasonable price

KingDeath wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

tyrannosaurus wrote:
My worry is that more and more people will get priced out of this hobby, in particular at the entry level, which has to be a bad thing. £140 for a starter army [before spending money on the codex, paints, brushes, glue etc.] compared to £30ish for a computer game, I know which I would choose [if I hadn't already been given the hobby bug when I was a kid myself]. Plus, it doesn't really give people the option of trying out the game to see if they like it.

You are forgetting the £400 for a console or the £700+ for a decent gaming PC. I would think that 40k stacks up quite well against almost any other hobby or sport.

A PC has many other uses besides gaming. GW on the other hand offers nothing but a bunch of,sometimes good looking, plastic. I for one am almost priced out of the hobby, simply because it gets ever more difficult to find a positive connection between what GW offers and what i have to pay for it.

The most common uses for a PC also require a net connection for probably £100+ per year. I'm sorry if you think its too expensive for you, but as I said 40k as a hobby is actually remarkably good value for money when compared to rather a large variety of sports and hobbies.

100pounds per year internet? holy crap thats cheap!

My internet costs me ~60USD a MONTH, which is i think about 40-45pounds.

Anyway thats how i justify the costs for this hobby too...when you actually do the math for other hobbies theyre pretty close its just this one is a game while others are cars or artistic displays or furniture/framing stuff to name a few.
Right now thats my issue is that its a GAME. I just returned to Nebraska after serving 6 years in the air force and im having issues finding a gaming group. Now my 2500+ worth of models (probably highly undercosting myself lol) are just collecting dust (or will anyway they take a month for military shipping to go anywhere)

On a random, slightly related topic i used to know a guy that was big into model cars and boats and planes. And he would get the high quality expensive stuff. I'd say hes spent more on that than i do on 40k by quite a bit, and that is literally just toy models whereas i can play with mine outside child's imagination rofl