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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Well apparently not just weird boys use these "points", but bosses and meks as well, and who knows what else. Perhaps the boss can use a point to call a WAAARGH, the mek uses a point to fire the shook attack gun, the dakkajet burns one to fire twice, etc etc. It could be an awesome mechanic if done right. Especially if its a "use it or loose it" thing, that way I can say "ok, I get 2 points this turn, what do I use it on?"It wouldn't really be much record keeping at all.

However, these seem like big changes for orks, so who knows if its legit.

So... like the new Faith points then? Let me tell you how much I love that as a SoB player...

Man these rumours, I feel so much salt! I not sure the viability of these, since there's a few more releases way before Orks, so i'm not gonna get my hopes up. However this token system would be a great addition, and might see more weirdboyz being fielded.

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 Jidmah wrote:
GW explicitly said that they aren't migrating anymore units from forgeworld to codices, so I wouldn't hold my breath on squiggoths.

Yeah, the squiggoths aren't going to happen. The new Ork dex doesn't need to introduce an equivalent to the Wraithknight or the Riptide because Orks already
have a monster kit - the Stompa. I think we can bargain on Stompas in the Heavy Support slot for Orks.

I'll take that bet. Superheavies have no place in regular 40k.

However, as I stated in the IG rumors thread regarding a Baneblade in the new codex, it is very easy to create non-superheavy rules for the Stompa to put in the codex for regular use. You simply reduce the hull points and tone down the guns to normal 40K weaponry. So the codex version could be ~200pts for a 4HP Stompa with a Boom Gun, Rokkit Launchas, and Big Shootas.

Both Baneblades and Stompas are listed as superhavies in the recently released Apocalypse book, so I wouldn't count on it.

On topic, while I don't entirely dislike what those rumors suggest, It kinda goes against our army's character. Leave those token shenanigans for DE, Sisters or Tau. Orks should be blunt and straightforward, psychic powers being played at best for fun and support.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Both Baneblades and Stompas are listed as superhavies in the recently released Apocalypse book, so I wouldn't count on it.

Oh, I wouldn't count on it, either. But it's still an incredibly easy thing for GW to do to create two sets of rules for normal 40K and Apocalypse versions of the kits in order to sell even more of them.

I also don't see how you can make a new ork dex without reworking waaaaagh and mob rule. These two things are the reason why the ork dex is as weak as it is. The faeit rumors are saying that waaaaagh and mob rule are staying the same. another thing is that they are saying the point cost of boys and grots are going down. they are already as cheap as they can be. I don't see them lowering the cost of grots what would they lower them to? 2 points per grot? 1 point per grot?

rothrich wrote:
I also don't see how you can make a new ork dex without reworking waaaaagh and mob rule. These two things are the reason why the ork dex is as weak as it is. The faeit rumors are saying that waaaaagh and mob rule are staying the same. another thing is that they are saying the point cost of boys and grots are going down. they are already as cheap as they can be. I don't see them lowering the cost of grots what would they lower them to? 2 points per grot? 1 point per grot?

I think mob rule is good enough, how could they improve on fearless over 11+ models? But yeah, the waaagh needs sorting out.
Boys and grots, i'm happy with the pricing, but if they wanna lower them i'm more than happy to let them

rothrich wrote:
I also don't see how you can make a new ork dex without reworking waaaaagh and mob rule. These two things are the reason why the ork dex is as weak as it is. The faeit rumors are saying that waaaaagh and mob rule are staying the same. another thing is that they are saying the point cost of boys and grots are going down. they are already as cheap as they can be. I don't see them lowering the cost of grots what would they lower them to? 2 points per grot? 1 point per grot?

The runtherd could drop in points/become free. For boyz the nob could (and should) get cheaper - spending 40 or more points to upgrade a 6 point model seems a little over the top nowadays. Also special weapons seem to be dropping in points in all new codices, rokkits and big shootaz might drop in price. I can also see boyz dropping to 5 points and making the shoota upgrade cost a point.

Squiggoths and Stompas in the main dex? Nah, unlikely. But going on recent trends, GW will want to sell us some Way Cool New Plastic Big Thing - my bet would be a megadredd.

 Clang wrote:
Squiggoths and Stompas in the main dex? Nah, unlikely. But going on recent trends, GW will want to sell us some Way Cool New Plastic Big Thing - my bet would be a megadredd.

I'd love to see megadredds in 40K, means it would be more viable to take Buzzgob from IA8, but walkers aren't really favoured by GW atm, so i'd probably say the Squiggoth would be more likely over the megadredd.

The buggy rumours about the designs being done for a long time is supported by the buggy/wartrak blueprints in IA:8. If the Studio have seen the FW designs and they aren't blind and /or stupid (yeah I know what I'm asking here given the centurions) then the buggies will look awesome.

I don't see the mek tank with KFF or Shokk Attack Gun, purely because this exists also in IA:8 as the Mekkboy Junka (No model currently however)

When you look closely, the buggy from IA:8 is a kitbash from forgeworld and GW kits found across big trakks, trukks, sardsnark's bike and many more. Pretty much every single bit on that blueprint can be found in another ork vehicle. It still looks awesome though.

If GW wanted to give us a Squigoth they wouldn't have to take it from Forgeworld. They can take it from Epic

Problem solved

I could see them giving us the stompa though. Reduce it's stats and capabilities and your all set.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
If GW wanted to give us a Squigoth they wouldn't have to take it from Forgeworld. They can take it from Epic

Problem solved

I could see them giving us the stompa though. Reduce it's stats and capabilities and your all set.

I dunno though, with a big release, they want to offer us new kits so we spend money, a decent amount of ork players tend to play apocalypse so they may already have the stompa, and GW can't have us not parting with cash.

None of these rumor go towards addressing the primary concern I have with the Ork army. Assault doesn't work in 6th unless you can fly/move 12 inches + scout/+2 re-rollable + hit and run, etc.

Most 'power' armies have the firepower and the maneuverability to make a mockery of anything but the most insane power combos that use assault.

GW stopped stepping on FWs toes by porting over models, they will add something big that is kinda like a FW model but not.

As far as the Waaaagh points go, as long as they don't mess with the points and strengths of the army I can see them acting like SoBs faith points.

One Stickmonkey rumor that needs to be set to false is:

This is in contention for Q2 model wave release.PENDING

We're already in Q3 heading to Q4.

Sure, a new combined buggies/trakks kits make total sense - unless GW decide to get rid of them from the codex - the existing ancient kits surely can't have great sales figures.

But I'm also still expecting a Big Model of some sort, simply because every new codex seems to come with at least one these days. Of course it may be an entirely new unit, rather than a plastic version of something ex-ForgeWorld.

I'd like to see a plastic Flash Gitz box set.

Hmmm. This all sounds a bit fishy. I'm chewing on salt but I will wait and see. I still like the old Grot related rumours. Some of the SoB style system for Weird boyz sounds fun, sort of, if it's well balanced.
Waaagh, Mob Rule AND the SAG will need a rework to fit in with this.

 randomtoaster wrote:
I'd like to see a plastic Flash Gitz box set.

Me too. I'd also like to see a better Stompa but I doubt that will happen.

 Breotan wrote:
One Stickmonkey rumor that needs to be set to false is:

This is in contention for Q2 model wave release.PENDING

We're already in Q3 heading to Q4.

Good catch!

 Squidbot wrote:
Hmmm. This all sounds a bit fishy. I'm chewing on salt but I will wait and see. I still like the old Grot related rumours. Some of the SoB style system for Weird boyz sounds fun, sort of, if it's well balanced.
Waaagh, Mob Rule AND the SAG will need a rework to fit in with this.

 randomtoaster wrote:
I'd like to see a plastic Flash Gitz box set.

Me too. I'd also like to see a better Stompa but I doubt that will happen.

I think the point of flash gits is that every one of them is supposed to have some sort of custom weapon. In the current codex there is an example of a flash git that has been converted. It is made from a shoota boy with about 3 more barrels glued to his gun. Pretty cool if you ask me. I think that the whole point of orks is to kitbash and create your own models. I have been working on a squad of buggies here recently that are made from a land speeder a piranha and I plan on making the third from a venom.

I think these rumors are entirely made up I could make some up right now that would be as close as these. (orks 2nd Q 2014, there will be new plastic kits for tankbustas, commandos, and meganobs as well as a warbuggy/wartrack kit. mega nobs will be centurian size and will account for the new big kit)

The problem with orks is that there is so much missing and obsolete from the current codex that I do not see how they could add new units without making the release the biggest release ever. It will have to be a DE type almost complete overhaul. The only things that do not need new kits are the trukk, battle wagon, bikes, stormboys, flyer, loota/burnas, nobs, and boyz....


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this is why they will be after guard, guard do not need nearly as much

I pretty much only play Orks. Every one of them is kitbashed or modded in some way.

I love the buggies and trakks the way they are.They give us the right to say to Spess muhrine players:At lease we don't need a new bike thingy every 2nd edition.

rothrich wrote:Hmmm. This all sounds a bit fishy. I'm chewing on salt but I will wait and see. I still like the old Grot related rumours. Some of the SoB style system for Weird boyz sounds fun, sort of, if it's well balanced.
Waaagh, Mob Rule AND the SAG will need a rework to fit in with this.

Why Mob Rule? With the removal of no retreat wounds it has become pretty neat, I wouldn't want to miss it.

 randomtoaster wrote:
I think the point of flash gits is that every one of them is supposed to have some sort of custom weapon. In the current codex there is an example of a flash git that has been converted. It is made from a shoota boy with about 3 more barrels glued to his gun. Pretty cool if you ask me. I think that the whole point of orks is to kitbash and create your own models.

So are lootaz, and they've gotten pretty great models - not to mention that there already is a flash git model.

The problem with orks is that there is so much missing and obsolete from the current codex that I do not see how they could add new units without making the release the biggest release ever. It will have to be a DE type almost complete overhaul. The only things that do not need new kits are the trukk, battle wagon, bikes, stormboys, flyer, loota/burnas, nobs, and boyz....

Neither do kanz, deff dreads or getchin, big gunz probably won't get new models because 90% of us would kitbash it anyways, considering that a battlewagon comes with a full set.
Which leaves us with a box of 3-5 flash gits, 5 tank bustaz/kommandoz dual box (they don't have any less in common than lootaz/burnaz), 3 MANz box, a box containing the 3 AOBR koptaz and a Buggy/Wartrakk box. Maybe a new bilster containing an improved plastic warboss. Maybe we even get a new character. Then they add a random something, my bet is on a big trakk-like vehicle since we are already stacked on infantry, walkers and flyers. I'd be surprised but happy if we get any of the missing models for our characters, Wazzdakka, Ol'Zogwort, MA or Biker Warboss.
Also if the rumors are worth anything, they might also make a new Warphead model to replace that crappy failcast model.

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Well apparently not just weird boys use these "points", but bosses and meks as well, and who knows what else. Perhaps the boss can use a point to call a WAAARGH, the mek uses a point to fire the shook attack gun, the dakkajet burns one to fire twice, etc etc. It could be an awesome mechanic if done right. Especially if its a "use it or loose it" thing, that way I can say "ok, I get 2 points this turn, what do I use it on?"It wouldn't really be much record keeping at all.

However, these seem like big changes for orks, so who knows if its legit.

So... like the new Faith points then? Let me tell you how much I love that as a SoB player...

well, in many ways the Orks are the most pious army in the game. Their faith sustains them and drives them to conquest. The Waaagh is nothing less than a green jihad.

I wouldn't advice yelling "Jihad!" at the top of your lounges in a gaming store though. Especially not if you're carrying your army in gun cases.

rothrich wrote:


I think the point of flash gits is that every one of them is supposed to have some sort of custom weapon. In the current codex there is an example of a flash git that has been converted. It is made from a shoota boy with about 3 more barrels glued to his gun. Pretty cool if you ask me. I think that the whole point of orks is to kitbash and create your own models. I have been working on a squad of buggies here recently that are made from a land speeder a piranha and I plan on making the third from a venom.

Thing is, although some conversions are pretty awesome, some can look naff and me personally, i'm not a fan of converting entire units. I like the current Flash Git model, but £11 for one model (IIRC) is just horrific :/ A Flash Gits box could come with multiple different weapons to make them look flashy.

I admit trying to convert an entire unit of flash gits would be extremely daunting even for the most experienced converter. Getting all those bob body's would be hard by itself...

rothrich wrote:
I admit trying to convert an entire unit of flash gits would be extremely daunting even for the most experienced converter. Getting all those bob body's would be hard by itself...

Please, been there done that. Making models using ork bits is very easy. Just have some spare plasticard to make scrap bits to hide any seams that don't align or areas where the details don't line up. Ive made meganobs from scraps and nob bodies so Im sure making just normal nobs with bigger guns would be very easy.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
well, in many ways the Orks are the most pious army in the game. Their faith sustains them and drives them to conquest. The Waaagh is nothing less than a green jihad.

This is, perhaps, the best perspective on Orks I have ever heard.