Why don't people like catachan guard?

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**Dalymiddleboro**

I think their fluff is the best and I love how tough they are. Aesthetically they appeal to me too. I'm wondering why I don't see more catachan players...

**TheDraconicLord**

I blame their ridiculous muscles, the arms mostly. They are far, far too thick. As 1D4chan says it:

Your muscles will be so thick that you count as having flak armor, even without a shirt on. If you wax your chest and liberally apply oil, it acts similarly to carapace armour. Only Catachan veterans know why this works.

**Dalymiddleboro**

See... I love how buff they are. I think it's hysterical

**macc92**

I've got some Catachans on the go as I love the fluff too, and have never seen another Catachan player,I think its mainly because there is much more Cadian stuff on the shelves

**NuggzTheNinja**

When you're built like a 300 lb professional bodybuilder, it's impossible to move.

There's another reason why you don't see 300+ lb guys in combat units, and it isn't just that lack of sleep and irregular eating aren't great for building muscle. You have to be somewhat portable. I was ~200 lbs when I was in, and with gear well over 300. A 300 pound man in battle rattle will weigh in at over 400 pounds. Nobody is fireman's carrying his ass if he gets hit.

**Veteran Sergeant**

They're pretty much one of the worst infantry models in the game, and the plastics are ugliest Imperial Guard range ever made.

Fluff wise I have no significant issue with them.

**GrimDork**

They don't really speak to me aesthetically, but they're kind of cool when other people make armies of them, sometimes. Like a full army of catachans with the tanks covered in jungle-plants and fancy camo. I think some people rather like the rambo/ nam-era look as well.

I don't really like any guardsmen though, there's a reason I have a large set of mantic's corporation marines

**Kaiserbudheim**

Straight out of the boxes the models are a little redonkulous (and this is coming from a dedicated Catachan player!), but with a little modding and careful camo painting they are a joy to look at IMO.

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Nam-era feel indeed. And remember folks, Nam backwards is Man...as in MANLY!!! =D

**StarTrotter**

Oh gosh no not all the skin to paint... make it stop.... make it stooooooooooooop.

Joking aside, I think one of the main problems is actually that. It isn't really the fluff. A couple of people will dislike it but for the most part I think people are neutral or like their fluff. The real problem with them likely has something to do with several aspects one being the amount of skin being painted. Another possible problem is that some people know that the amount of muscle is too much realistically (this is less of a problem for most I presume). The models, in my personal opinion, look rather terrible only made worse by the guardsman's constipated face. Finally, they were one of the few armies that survived the sacrificial wave where most other regiments were either dropped or limited in production popular regiments (Mordians, Iron Guard, Tanith, etc) being sent to the side leading to a possible sense of embitterment.

**ThunderFury 2575**

I love jungles, i love overexcessive foliage and camo, so i love catachan, dont get me wrong their model's arms are gargantuan, but in fuff they don't seem so horrendous.

**Nobody_Holme**

What I really like is catachan and cadian models spliced together.

They're very similar, so its not a big deal, and it looks damn nice despite the silly muscles. Don't let your paint make the shadows any more obvious than they are, though.

(Also, cadians are a lot closer to the "faceless infinite horde" thing a lot of people see in the guard than catachans, and a lot easier to use as other regiments, given they're THE standard for equipment in use everywhere, and work fine as almost any force simply because of the colour scheme.)

**Sir Blayse**

I like my Catachan guard. I just wish I could run them as jungle fighters and not just another mech spam list. I hoping a new codex will open up some options.

**Dalymiddleboro**

Honestly, if you're not trying to win any competitions the amount of skin to paint isn't bad. I aim for tabletop quality and kislev flesh and agrax earthshade go a long way to doing most of the work for you.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I think their fluff is the best and I love how tough they are. Aesthetically they appeal to me too. I'm wondering why I don't see more catachan players...

Why don't people like the Whole Army of Rambo?

i have one thing to say

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Secret_Origin_of_the_Plastic_Catachans

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**Makumba**

They look too american too me .

**Dalymiddleboro**

Nothing wrong with some murica.

**eclipseoto**

murica.

I'd love if they were remade in more of a full metal jacket style. When your entire army looks like rambo, it's hard to take yourself seriously. Then again, it's just a game!

**MrMoustaffa**

Some of the old metal Catachans look pretty good.

The problem is the plastic ones are hideous. If they could get the regular infantry looking like the ones from the command set, they'd be set. Those minis actually look pretty good, but they're much smaller than a regular catachan trooper. I'll see if I can find a pic that shows it off and edit it in later.

Honestly, just get better heads and smaller arms and they look fine. The problem is if you have to replace roughly 50% of a model to make it look good, odds are your model sucks

**bogalubov**

In my aim to collect as many guard models as possible I have them in large numbers. I got a real good deal from craig's list and 6 years later I am still undoing the horrible glue/paintjob from the 200 or so that I got. I paint them as Russian marines circa Afghan war. Really plays well with the ridiculous idea of Ivan Drago styled Russians. Originally I found them silly, however their actually really easy to make look descent. Their cartoonish proportions make picking out details quite easy. On top of that they take to shading extremely well.

For a while it was also super cheap to acquire their metal special weapons. This allowed me to fill my vet ranks easily without jamming space marine sized weapons onto puny guardsmen. Plus if you do want to give a guardsman a giant weapon, the catachan arms are great for it. Allowed me to splice my cadians with catachan arms to make giant gun-wielding beef cakes. The catachan command squads are generally cheaper too as a source of special weapons.

So I like them because they are easy to paint, they're cheap and finally, they fit my theme of soldiers from the same planet not having to dress and fight exactly the same. That always bothered me more than the ridiculous muscle proportions. "There is a jungle planet. There is an ice planet. There is an urban warfare planet. Continents do not exist and everyone looks the same."

**MWHistorian**

Because they look like they're all from an 80's action movie. It's like a 12 year old was asked what army he wanted and he said "Commando!"

**bogalubov**

MWHistorian wrote:
Because they look like they're all from an 80's action movie. It's like a 12 year old was asked what army he wanted and he said "Commando!"

I think this was supposed to be a reason to dislike Catachan's, but them looking like Matrix is one of the reasons why I love them. That and you can make a vet squad with Dutch as the sergeant.

This doesn't hold true for everyone, but the reason I play with little soldiers is that a twelve year old still dwells somewhere in my mind.

**Kanluwen**

Because the models are older than some posters here.

**generalchaos34**

mt problem with them mostly outside of their ridiculous lack of posability with some set ups (like theres 3 right arms that hold guns, and 6 different left hands, but the only grenade model is on the right hand!) is that for the longest time the only plastic guardsman you could ever get was catachan. All the really cool models like cadians or steel legion were always monopose metal and you were forced to buy catachan to bulk your amry without breaking the bank (keep in mind i was in grade school, so i had little spending power). It wasnt until i went to college and I had abandoned IG for some time for the allure of Tau that they finally released plastic cadians.

**Zed**

Like the fluff, hate the models. If I wanted Vietnam crossed with steroid-induced muscle growth, I'd watch Platoon and follow it up with The Terminator.

**Musashi363**

Its like playing an army of the Villiage People.

**MWHistorian**

bogalubov wrote:
MWHistorian wrote:
Because they look like they're all from an 80's action movie. It's like a 12 year old was asked what army he wanted and he said "Commando!"

I think this was supposed to be a reason to dislike Catachan's, but them looking like Matrix is one of the reasons why I love them. That and you can make a vet squad with Dutch as the sergeant.

This doesn't hold true for everyone, but the reason I play with little soldiers is that a twelve year old still dwells somewhere in my mind.

You know, I can't actually argue against that. That's an honest reason to play them. You've taken the field, sir.

(Not sarcasm, btw. I think that was an awesome reply.)

**Commissar Benny**

I love the catachan fluff, just don't care for the models. Largely because there is so much bare skin to paint, it would be a nightmare of a project.

**SYKOJAK**

Since I have just recently started up my IG army collection, I can tell you why I chose the Cadian minis over the Catachans. The first reason being for the wargear listed for Infantry Squads/Platoons very closely matches the Cadian minis not the Catachans. The Cadians look like a modern Warfare army, not a bunch of ragtag Rambo/Commando wannabes.

The models themselves are fine, but why not have different war gear lists for the different specific Infantry Regiments. In the codexes they certainly relate to a particular Regiments affinity to warfare in a certain environment or terrain/climate. Maybe they will do so in the next IG Codex for 6th edition. That might help out sales on the less chosen IG regiment squad boxes chosen. Just a suggestion.:

**gossipmeng**

Proportions of the models are too silly for me to take seriously. Put a catachan next to a spacemarine and you'll see there isn't much of a size difference.

**Brother SRM**

The basic infantry kit is really, really badly sculpted, and doesn't go together terribly well. Now the command squad and the heavy weapons teams are actually really well sculpted kits and I absolutely adore them, but even as someone who enjoys Guardsmen from Planet Rambo I'll have to admit the base Catachan infantry kit is pretty lousy.