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 Kroothawk wrote:
Rules tidbits from WD, posted by Jossy over at the Plastic Krak blog:
http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/dark-elves-rules-leaks.html

Thanks for posting that here.

Mixed feelings about Matt Ward, but overall I'm excited. Does that make me a bad person?

I like ASF. Executioners immediately got a boost (assuming they don't jump in points too much). Combined with Hatred and Murderous Prowess... I feel like we may be seeing more of them. A shame their metal models are such a pain to assemble...

Black Guard look like they will still be awesome. Eternal Hatred plus Murderous Prowess is awesome. I love rerolling dice.

Witch Elves went up by one point, hmm.

Sorceress dropped by 20 points. Awesome. I'm assuming it's level one, or else it's just too crazy.

Cauldron lets you reroll wounds. This might be amazing with Black Guard who already reroll to hit. Or Witches with their bucketload of attacks. Depends on the points cost though. I'm interested. I wonder if it still gives stubborn to Executioners and Witches?

No confirmation on whether the Medusa can be taken as a hero or a rare choice on her own. Very curious about her.

Hydras didn't go up by much, although paying for the breath weapon is reasonable. I wonder if they still have regen and 7 attacks.

Dreadlord on Dragon is 20 points cheaper.

Cold ones went up 3 points, but gained a S4 attack.

Pretty excited still. Executioners are the one unit I don't have a lot of and they seem to benefit the most from the rumored rules (ASF and Murderous Prowess are damn near custom made for them), and they are rumored to get new models in wave 2...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Also, that new Hydra model looks nice. Not sure I like the wyches though. They look a bit static for me, which is ironic considering how they are in motion.

That could be because they all seem to be posing with one knee raised and bent to roughly the same angle - apart from that they look ok to me, though I'd preferred them to be just a standard kit without the sisters of slaughter option.

Wheres the info coming from that its going to be a two part release? Just rumours?

Loving those Witch Elves - hopefully I can get them at a good enough price to fit them in to my Slaanesh Daemons army in some role. But they do need to compete with Raging Heroes 'Blood Vestals' as well...

Trasvi wrote:
But they do need to compete with Raging Heroes 'Blood Vestals' as well...

I find it strange, but I think GW versions are hands down better.

Apart from ridiculous prices (as usual, but we won't go into detail on that), this is looking to be a really solid release.

The Hydra/Charybdis (I appreciate GW wanting people to pronounce it correctly, on the other hand, I don't appreciate the misspelling), I really like. I honestly do think it was a bad paint job for the model. Other than that, I think it looks great. I may file off the random chest horns on the Hydra, however.

The Cauldron kit is just fantastic. Over the top? Absolutely, but I think it makes it work. I'm also excited to have a Hellebron model. The gorgon looks lovely, but I agree all the blood sculpted on is unnecessary.

Shadowblade looks pretty darn awesome. The Witch Elves are fantastic and exactly what I was hoping for (albeit stupidly expensive for 11 point core models).

Sisters of Slaughter, however, I'm not so keen on. And the Warriors, I don't know. They're not bad models, not by a long shot, but for FINALLY redoing a hideous core box I was hoping for a little... More, I guess? I get that they have to to be somewhat static, they just look a little too much like High Elves painted like Dark Elves to me. I'll wait for 360 view and other paint schemes, because I feel like there's more to these models than we're seeing from these pictures.

All in all, a solid looking release, hoping the three plastic kits supposedly coming out next month look awesome. I haven't bought anything GW in a long time, but I'm definitely going to pick up the book, cards, Hydra, and a box of Witches. Undecided if I'm getting the Cauldron just yet, I definitely want one, but I should make sure they're actually worth taking before I buy it. I think I'll eventually get at least one or two boxes of Warriors to assemble as sword/board, because even if they're not gorgeous, they're a hell of a lot better than the Warriors I can't even bring myself to paint!

As silly as it is, I want to have a team game, team up with a Warriors of Chaos player, force them to take that horrible Scylla, I'll take a Charybdis, and then using those two, flank an enemy wizard or something, just so I can say the wizard is "Torn between Scylla and Charybdis" and play that song. Stupid, I know, but I must do it!

To be honest, I don't think I could ever field those Warriors next to the current Corsairs or the new Witches. I'd rather buy some spear/repeater bits and convert the Corsairs with no cloaks.

So no executioners or black guard?

Really?


Hope they are in the 2nd wave.

 pities2004 wrote:
So no executioners or black guard?

Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
To be honest, I don't think I could ever field those Warriors next to the current Corsairs or the new Witches. I'd rather buy some spear/repeater bits and convert the Corsairs with no cloaks.

The quality is very different, that's for sure. Corsairs I absolutely adore (even though assembling them can be a pain in the ass due to getting them to rank up nicely), and in my opinion, the Witches are on the same level of quality as the Corsairs. What a shame they're so expensive, or I'd run a ton of Witch Elves as my core force.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
So no executioners or black guard?

Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.

Ok cool, hopefully they are in the book.

 pities2004 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
So no executioners or black guard?

Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.

Ok cool, hopefully they are in the book.

40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.

 Red Viper wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
So no executioners or black guard?

Current rumours point at executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, Chariot and Hellebore in November as 2nd wave, with pics probably in armybook.

Ok cool, hopefully they are in the book.

40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.

I'll happen, but I'd be suprised if its in November.

 Red Viper wrote:
40k radio is the source too. They are 100% correct so far. At this point I'd be pretty shocked if the Executioneers/BlackGuard, Dark Riders/Warlocks, and new Chariot did not happen.

Actually, the info on the split came from a Warseer poster with access to retailer docs, right?

Makes me think 40k Radio has a plug directly at the printer.

I am realy liking the with elves, may pick some up:0 shame I don't realy like the sprearmen :(

I'm really not seeing the whole "High Elves painted as Dark Elves" thing, but that might just be relating to the fact that I look at the Dark Elves and High Elves as refusing to change the way they craft their armor simply because someone else does something similar.

The two big differences for Dark Elves v. High Elves though are there on the Warriors. The armor is angular rather than rounded in places(helms most notably) and rather than the scalemail over cloth that the High Elf units have, the Dark Elves have their ringmail over cloth.
I will say though that the design of the Dark Elves here is almost a perfect match for Jon Sullivan's art for the cover of "Shadow King", so I might be biased as I have that art print staring at me as I type this.

Time for kit bashing & swaps....

 Red Viper wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Rules tidbits from WD, posted by Jossy over at the Plastic Krak blog:
http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/dark-elves-rules-leaks.html

Thanks for posting that here.

Mixed feelings about Matt Ward, but overall I'm excited. Does that make me a bad person?

I like ASF. Executioners immediately got a boost (assuming they don't jump in points too much). Combined with Hatred and Murderous Prowess... I feel like we may be seeing more of them. A shame their metal models are such a pain to assemble...

Black Guard look like they will still be awesome. Eternal Hatred plus Murderous Prowess is awesome. I love rerolling dice.

Witch Elves went up by one point, hmm.

Sorceress dropped by 20 points. Awesome. I'm assuming it's level one, or else it's just too crazy.

Cauldron lets you reroll wounds. This might be amazing with Black Guard who already reroll to hit. Or Witches with their bucketload of attacks. Depends on the points cost though. I'm interested. I wonder if it still gives stubborn to Executioners and Witches?

No confirmation on whether the Medusa can be taken as a hero or a rare choice on her own. Very curious about her.

Hydras didn't go up by much, although paying for the breath weapon is reasonable. I wonder if they still have regen and 7 attacks.

Dreadlord on Dragon is 20 points cheaper.

Cold ones went up 3 points, but gained a S4 attack.

Pretty excited still. Executioners are the one unit I don't have a lot of and they seem to benefit the most from the rumored rules (ASF and Murderous Prowess are damn near custom made for them), and they are rumored to get new models in wave 2...

ASF with a GW means the strike at initiative order just like sword masters and white lions.

Yeah, those rules look pretty awesome, we'll just have to see how much we pay for them. 12 Points for a Warrior is a massive increase.

Also, what about the rumoured Cold One Chariot and plastic BG and Executioners?

They're supposedly coming in November. As has been stated on this very page.

I like these dark elves, and what the heck, gonna thin out my award winning painted Khorne army to get some of the cool minis! http://www.ebay.com/sch/bu11etmagn3tt/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= Probably make an all female (topless) army from the new female warriors...Convert some into other units.... WooHoo!

I think the core spearmen look fine. I want a bit of an army to capture that old school wargaming rank & file feel. If there weapons were all pointing in slightly varied ways, or they were harder to paint, I sense it would simply take away from the fine aesthetics of the other choices. No complaints here.

Is it still looking likely for a 2 month release?

Bloodhorror wrote:Is it still looking likely for a 2 month release?

His Master's Voice wrote:They're supposedly coming in November. As has been stated on this very page.

Or if you want a direct answer. <shakes magic eight ball> Answer unclear. Ask again later.

Balls...

I want me some Nids instead ¬¬

 Red Viper wrote:


No confirmation on whether the Medusa can be taken as a hero or a rare choice on her own. Very curious about her.

The battle report has her taken as a rare choice for a bit less than a hundred points.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I think the core spearmen look fine. I want a bit of an army to capture that old school wargaming rank & file feel. If there weapons were all pointing in slightly varied ways, or they were harder to paint, I sense it would simply take away from the fine aesthetics of the other choices. No complaints here.

I agree that the core spearmen look fine. I just wish we could have gotten High Elf core spearmen redone as well. Those models are terrible and we could have used the spearmen more than those sisters of averlorn. =(

Witch Elves are core and 11 points per model.

drool

My booby brigade planning is under way!

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Witch Elves are core and 11 points per model.

drool

My booby brigade planning is under way!

Which kidney are you planning on selling, left or right?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 bu11etmagn3tt wrote:
Witch Elves are core and 11 points per model.

drool

My booby brigade planning is under way!

Which kidney are you planning on selling, left or right?

It'll be my neighbors. So both!