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Hmm.. now I am in quandary... I was fine with £30, but £40 was no go. Where do I stand at £35. Going to have to think about it. Still horrific that a what I consider a standard twenty man squad would cost seventy quid.

Might be the first time in a while I go to Wayland games, I might not get any figures till November, but it'd be a fair saving.

See how I feel tomorrow night after this wisdom tooth gets pulled.

For what it's worth, Warriors, Witch Elves, Black Guard, Executioners, Cauldron of Blood and War Hydra are all missing from GW's US site.

I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward.

My first army was dark elves, and I'm certainly not tempted to return to them. I think GW is getting complacent.

If people want to lap it up, fine. If they find those prices acceptable, fine. I have recently bought some Romans, and for the price of a chapter of GW marines I could get an entire legion (whether that's 4200 or 5000) plus several hundred allies, made out of metal - that expensive stuff. No implausible aircraft or moving staircases though.

 Fra Charmelandro wrote:
I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward.
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If people want to lap it up, fine. If they find those prices acceptable, fine.

Wait, so the Blood Vestals are preferable and then you complain about price?

Five deadly Blood Vestals to terrorize and destroy your opponents.
Box contains 5 different Blood Vestals and 5 square 20mm bases.

Pricing: 19,95€ (about 16,50 £ - $ 26,75 - AU$ 25,95)

10 Witches - 35 pounds
10 Blood Vestals - 33 pounds

So 2 cheaper and not posable and does not contain any extra bits. NOt that big a savings.

If it doesn't matter what order you put the figures in, then yes - but I make it £35 odd.

Anyway I wouldn't actually buy either, I'm just commenting that I prefer the sculpting and pose of the RH miniatures.

 Fra Charmelandro wrote:
If it doesn't matter what order you put the figures in, then yes - but I make it £35 odd.

Fixed the typo of 45 to 35.

Wait, so the price of a box of spearmen stays the same, except we get 10 miniatures now instead of 16

Absolutely freaking amazing this is. Could have known though.

So, WEs are now core, but the most expensive core option in the game and more than a unit from the same army, in the same slot, being released at the same time with the same model count? My guess is that the option to make the SoS unit is the reason they're being priced as...more than Rare units in other armies.

It is a shame, as I really would have liked to get a couple units of the new WEs as the Dark Elves are one of my favorite armies still. At the prices being mentioned though, I'll likely not get much of anything.

 TBD wrote:
Wait, so the price of a box of spearmen stays the same, except we get 10 miniatures now instead of 16

Absolutely freaking amazing this is. Could have known though.

Could have been worse. They did this to Orc Boys, but without making new sculpts, just a repackage.

I second this

 Fra Charmelandro wrote:
I think I prefer Raging Heroes' Blood Vestals to these plastic witch elves; the pose of the second from the left is particularly awkward.


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Wait, so the Blood Vestals are preferable and then you complain about price?

Five deadly Blood Vestals to terrorize and destroy your opponents.
Box contains 5 different Blood Vestals and 5 square 20mm bases.

Pricing: 19,95€ (about 16,50 £ - $ 26,75 - AU$ 25,95)

10 Witches - 35 pounds
10 Blood Vestals - 33 pounds

So 2 cheaper and not posable and does not contain any extra bits. NOt that big a savings.

But the material is different. Metal figures are expected to be more expensive.

 Aerethan wrote:

 TBD wrote:
Wait, so the price of a box of spearmen stays the same, except we get 10 miniatures now instead of 16

Absolutely freaking amazing this is. Could have known though.

Could have been worse. They did this to Orc Boys, but without making new sculpts, just a repackage.

I think the old Ork Boys box went from16 miniatures for 30,- euros (not sure how much in the US) to 10 for 23,- euros. The same thing happened to the IG troopers (except they went from 20 for 30,- to 10 for 23,-). And recently of course the Dire Avengers went a step ahead of that going from 10(?) for 31,- to 5 for 26,-.

To get the same amount of mini's as before the (40K) Orks would now cost 36,80... the Guardsmen 46,-... and the Dire Avengers 52,-.

The Dark Elf spearmen would amount to 49,60 for 16 of the buggers. Not sure the new sculpts make up for the difference.

So unless I made some calculating error, unfortunately this is slightly better than the Dire Avengers but worse than the Orks

EDIT: the Fantasy Orc boys went from 19 for 30,- to 10 for 23,-... aka 43,70 to get the previous amount. Needless to say not cool.

The Witch Elves are not really 10, more 2x5, as there are only 5 non-modular bodies so why use plastic then? Because 10 minis for 45€ sell like hot cakes? I already have witch elves with 5 non-modular bodies, thanks.
BTW in Germany, the metal witches costed 40€ for 10 while available (one year ago).

Just wait until the Black Guard / Executioners kit hits. 70 quid anyone?

After seeing the more focused pictures of the Witch Elves the price is even worse. There's only 5, as Kroothawk said. Some of the Witches even have the same weapons and just different heads. They've turned the bases to try and fool you. If you're going to do a plastic kit, why make them just as modular as their finecast ancestors?

 Cirronimbus wrote:
Just wait until the Black Guard / Executioners kit hits. 70 quid anyone?

After seeing the more focused pictures of the Witch Elves the price is even worse. There's only 5, as Kroothawk said. Some of the Witches even have the same weapons and just different heads. They've turned the bases to try and fool you. If you're going to do a plastic kit, why make them just as modular as their finecast ancestors?

Because what works for armoured miniatures doesn't work for nekkid ones. The modular nature of GW kits gave us gems such as the current female Wyches, Daemonetess or Marauders. Pretty much all "soft" models in the range suffer from the same issue.

I'll take good looking fixed pose miniatures over mediocre ones I can pose.

We must have missed the announcement about Citadel FineSprue; now with fewer options so you don't have to take as long deciding how you want to make the models. This is great news!

 Krinsath wrote:
We must have missed the announcement about Citadel FineSprue; now with fewer options so you don't have to take as long deciding how you want to make the models. This is great news!

4/10. It was a good try, but you missed mentioning the HHHobby, Ward or Kirby. Also, no references to Zords. Please work harder in the future.

The witchelves are probably limited in customization because of the dynamic poses. If we had control over positioning the legs and such, we nwould of loss the fluid motion that they seem to have. Not defending GW im just tossing out an idea. I do like the new witches but I would of prefered some of them to be standing on the ground, the standard bearer looks silly jumping around


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grimdark83 wrote:
The witchelves are probably limited in customization because of the dynamic poses. If we had control over positioning the legs and such, we would lose the fluid motion that they seem to have. Not defending GW im just tossing out an idea. I do like the new witches but I would of prefered some of them to be standing on the ground, the standard bearer looks silly jumping around

Looks like the cover for the book has been spotted by RTGamer over at Warseer:

Oooooh, very nice indeed! I've enjoyed all of the 8th edition covers so far, this one is no different, really top notch stuff

Yeah thats cover allright, Thought Ide take a picture of it from white dwarf, and the Collectors edition,

Couple more pictures I don't think I've seen posted on here yet:

Oh damn this. I sold my entire Dark Elf army two months ago. I am extremely pleased with the new models, and the cover is just the proverbial icing on the cake.

It looks like I'll be purchasing a new DE army.

The LE books are just sleeves over the normal army book correct?

 AlexHeap wrote:
Couple more pictures I don't think I've seen posted on here yet:

Seeing this model on the cauldron... it seems out of proportion to the two guard girls, smaller by a degree, in terms of length of limbs and size of head. It's noticeably off scale to them.

Also, it's the first model of the range I've seen that I'm less than impressed with, the mask/face is very poorly done.

Is it supposed to be Crone Hellebron? If so I'm rather let down. She was always my favorite, back in the days when she rode a manticore...

Yeah it is Crone Hellebron, While I dont dislike them model, I wish they made it match the same motion that the WEs are doing, If you put her in a WE unit she will look weird

More pictures, still absolutely nothing "OMG I must have that!" worthy. Quite the opposite in fact. The Bleaknouns are better than their predecessors, but that's a low bar indeed.

Sad in a way. I *wanted* to be tempted... I've always loved the Dark Elves.

Valete,

JohnS

Ugh. That mask on Hellebron is horrible. I hope it is a separate bit from the hair, but looking at the lines, I don't think so. Shame. Might have to see how she looks with a head swap.

After all my concerns about the price of Witch Elves, the limited cover is bloody tempting.

grimdark83 wrote:
Yeah it is Crone Hellebron, While I dont dislike them model, I wish they made it match the same motion that the WEs are doing, If you put her in a WE unit she will look weird

That is the reason I still prefer the Raging Heroes ones. This hoping style of the new WE is not really my taste, although I have to admit that they are good models

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 Andrew1975 wrote:
So has any body else had enough of these crazy kits? I remember when the war alter was two guys carrying an alter. Then we go a giant statue, not sure how that moved. I always though it needed wheels. Now we get a Giant statue on Giant wheels with opera stairs and OH MY GOD CUT IT OUT. Now we have this giant expensive kit that honestly, who would ever bring to a battle. Witch elves running up stairs in high heals....

We get it, you remember when sodies was a nickle and you could fill up your tank for a dollar.

Something this size would have been plenty.

Also, your image is broken and is NSFW anyways.

no he's right, the scarface staircase is really stupid. it looks like a jumble of random crap thrown together.
if you seperate it out into individual models it could be used for stuff, the models themselves look ok.
the three elf chicks, the avatar onto his own base, the medusa. then i guess you could use a globogym statue with cauldron aswell as the staircase as terrain. stick it inside a castle or ruined building or something.

if they wanted some big model why not just have a matron mother on a throne being held up by male slaves surrounded by elite bodyguards? something like that?
can gw just buy dungeons and dragons drow elf IP? cause drow are cool but GW "dark elves" kinda suck. just sayin.