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 Citizen Luka wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wonderful, thank you! May I also ask how much is the vet sergeant and what does he provide? - + 1 ld?

10pts for an extra attack and extra leadership. Sorry, I should have mentioned before that the bog standard Sergeant also only has 1A.

 namiel wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wow. Ravenwing just got nerfed hard by white scars. Granted they don't have black knights but their bikes are dirt cheap with the upgrades Kahn gives, awesome.

Yea, they did. Plus white scars would be tough with more bikes per squad and higher jink.

There is room for Allies though. White scars, say hello to the darkshroud! now your jink is 3+!

Also, Khan might be pretty cozy in a RW black knight squad, where his rumored Furious charge rules could help out quite a bit. Also, DA can bring a divination libby for pretty cheap.

So Savant Lock doesn't work against skimmers?

 Rysaer wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
2 questions:

How many howling griffon models are in the showcase section?

What's the range of grav cannons and what do grav amps do [other than have cool names]

I could only find one howling griffon in the showcase (it's an apothecary model) and grav cannons are 24" range and the grav amp allows you to re-roll the to wound roll (or the dice for effect on vehicles).

That's strange. I thought Cruddace would take the opportunity to plaster his HG collection everywhere.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wow. Ravenwing just got nerfed hard by white scars. Granted they don't have black knights but their bikes are dirt cheap with the upgrades Kahn gives, awesome.

Yea, they did. Plus white scars would be tough with more bikes per squad and higher jink.

There is room for Allies though. White scars, say hello to the darkshroud! now your jink is 3+!

Also, Khan might be pretty cozy in a RW black knight squad, where his rumored Furious charge rules could help out quite a bit. Also, DA can bring a divination libby for pretty cheap.

I was hoping the ravenwing would stay on top of the bike armies.....sigh. Bonus though I can use the decent bikes from the new sex to ally withmy da to use my stormtalon. After reading this and the battle report in the wd I have been thinking a squad of centurions with a Libby and a pfg might be a nasty combo

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Citizen Luka wrote:
May I ask has there been a point discount for the basic three man bike squad

Cheers

Bikes are 21pts each. Like most squads in the Codex now, the Veteran Sergeant is an optional upgrade, so the basic Sergeant is free and is Ld8. So in other words, 63pts for 3 Bikes starting out.

Wonderful, thank you! May I also ask how much is the vet sergeant and what does he provide? - + 1 ld?

10pts for an extra attack and extra leadership. Sorry, I should have mentioned before that the bog standard Sergeant also only has 1A.

Thanks Godless-Mimicry!

A few questions that have been bugging me:

1) How do grav weapons work against vehicles?
2) What is the profile for the stalkers cannons and the hunter's missile?
3) How many extra points are grav cannons on centurions?
4) are librarians the same as DA's for points?
5) What do the centurions' assault weapons do and are they worth it?

 DoomMouse wrote:
A few questions that have been bugging me:

1) How do grav weapons work against vehicles?
2) What is the profile for the stalkers cannons and the hunter's missile?
3) How many extra points are grav cannons on centurions?
4) are librarians the same as DA's for points?
5) What do the centurions' assault weapons do and are they worth it?

1) Roll a D6, on a roll of a 6 the vehicle suffers one hull point of damage and becomes immobilised.
2) Stalkers: 60" S7 AP4 Heavy 4. (Can be fire at a single target with twin linked or two seperate targets but at BS2)
Hunter: 60" S7 AP2 Armourbane (To see it's shooting rules see above posts)
3) Can't state points cost, so I'll use the system I've been using, the cost of a grav cannon with grav-amp (given with it) is Raticate's Pokedex number. (Everyone loves pokemon.)
4) Same points cost base.
5) They have two seige drills, which are S9 AP2 Armourbane Specialist Weapons. Up to you, I don't like the assault variety of centurions that much but thats preference and look I base that on.

Going to be expanding my preheresy imperial fists to accommodate a codex fist force and was wondering about how often those new traits can be used. Are they one use as in only say 1 dev squad gets tank hunter for a turn or as many dev squads you have get 1 turn of tank hunter?

 Rysaer wrote:

4: If it misses a shot against a flyer or FMC you place a 'Savant Token' on the unit it tried to fire at, at the beginning of each subsequent shooting phase you roll a D6 for each token, on a 5+ the counter is removed and the target unit suffers a hit (on its rear armour) using the same profile as the standard weapon. If the target leaves combat airspace or is locked in close combat then you must discard any tokens on the unit, they cannot be removed by any other means.

Made me giggle when I read in the WD what exactly the guidance system in these missiles was. Probably too much to hope for that there would be Savant Token markers on the sprue

valace2 wrote:
Going to be expanding my preheresy imperial fists to accommodate a codex fist force and was wondering about how often those new traits can be used. Are they one use as in only say 1 dev squad gets tank hunter for a turn or as many dev squads you have get 1 turn of tank hunter?

Everyone except Ultramarines have their traits for the entirety of the game (unless otherwise stated, for example Raven Guard only get stealth for the first turn). In your case Imperial Fist Devestators/Cent Devestators are Tank Hunters for the whole game.

Hope that makes sense.

#1 Are Crusader squads still a mix of 3+ and 4+ armor?
#2 What's the standard LD value of non-squad leader marines?
#3 Can you get two power weapons and a special weapon in a Crusader squad?

Thanks!

 minigun762 wrote:
#1 Are Crusader squads still a mix of 3+ and 4+ armor?
#2 What's the standard LD value of non-squad leader marines?
#3 Can you get two power weapons and a special weapon in a Crusader squad?

Thanks!

1) Yes they are still 3+/4+ mix.
2) Leadership 8 is the norm.
3) Yes, one initiate can take a heavy weapon, one can take a special weapon, one can take a powerweapon/fist and the sword brother (sergeant) can also take a power weapon (or fist etc).

Are terminator weapons mix and match now as opposed to the old shooty vs assault terminators?

Are there any vehicle upgrades or equipment?

valace2 wrote:
Are terminator weapons mix and match now as opposed to the old shooty vs assault terminators?

No, still assault and tactical terminator squads. TH/SS are now +5 points though, and the tactical terminator weapon options are cheaper.


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 minigun762 wrote:
Are there any vehicle upgrades or equipment?

Same as the old book. Extra armor is cheaper though

I noticed the new sternguard box comes with enough stormbolters for all. Is there a reason you'd want to arm them that way that you can see?

Henshini wrote:
I noticed the new sternguard box comes with enough stormbolters for all. Is there a reason you'd want to arm them that way that you can see?

No not really if you would want that much Dakka the Command Squad is probably the better choice.
Btw the new box only comes with 2 SBs.

How much will Stalkers/Hunters ruin a FMC Daemons list?

Telion-still an upgrade, or an IC like the tau and eldar "scout" characthers?

 greg0985 wrote:
How much will Stalkers/Hunters ruin a FMC Daemons list?

How would the codex tellyou that?
People have given you the weapon profile and special rules, work it out yourself.

Can tac sarges (or vet sarges if upgradeable) take bolters?

In the section for Chapter Tactics, whats the owrding for if a Succesor Chapter has an unknown founding or don't know which chapter that they are a successor of (might effect my custom BR chapter tactics I'm brewing).

 ace101 wrote:
In the section for Chapter Tactics, whats the owrding for if a Succesor Chapter has an unknown founding or don't know which chapter that they are a successor of (might effect my custom BR chapter tactics I'm brewing).

You just choose a CT for the army to use.

Who is the author? I think someone said Cruddace, but I just wanted to be sure.

I've got a question: On a scale from 1 to 10, how annoyed are you when people ask questions that have already been answered 3 to 5 posts above them?

 minigun762 wrote:
Are there any vehicle upgrades or equipment?

Just four upgrades in the armory: Stormbolter, dozer blades, rokkit, extra armor (now 5 pts cheaper).

Just thought of another one that's bothered me, Bolster defences: can codex marines use it on all terrain like every other marine or still just ruins like before?

How does the Emperor Champion's stat line compare to a Captains? About equal or is it more similar to a Chaplain?

greg0985 wrote:How much will Stalkers/Hunters ruin a FMC Daemons list?

One is a glorified quad-gun on a 12/12/10 platform, and the other is a single shot missile that is massively ineffective against a monstrous creature. Ask yourself, if the space marine army had access to 3 more quadguns, how much better would they be?

BoomWolf wrote:Telion-still an upgrade, or an IC like the tau and eldar "scout" characthers?

Upgrade, Ultramarine chapter tactics only.

Kangodo wrote:I've got a question: On a scale from 1 to 10, how annoyed are you when people ask questions that have already been answered 3 to 5 posts above them?

9/10 for me....Almost EVERY question asked has been answered in the big rumor thread and Clock's Rumor roundup.

minigun762 wrote:How does the Emperor Champion's stat line compare to a Captains? About equal or is it more similar to a Chaplain?

Chaplain. He's 2 wounds I think, not 4.

 Carnage43 wrote:

greg0985 wrote:How much will Stalkers/Hunters ruin a FMC Daemons list?

One is a glorified quad-gun on a 12/12/10 platform

That's not entirely accurate; more like two Quad Guns.