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 1hadhq wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
The drivers are usually taken from the Reserve companies. If every single marine took to the field you'd have a lot of 8 man tactical squads.

The 1-click bundle by GW is:

the Ultramarines chapter deployed at 888M41 at Orar.

Because the fluff at the GW site says so.

Count the infantry models. There is no one left to act as crew if there isn't more personnel than just 1k...
hint: they offer fieldable models ... not representations of models who may be fielded but some have to be spared because you "need" them to drive the vehicles they sold you.

The 1k was explained as: 10 companies > 10 Squads > 10 marines.
GW pics: 10 companies > 11 squads .....

A vehicle is just a piece of Wargear like any other. The bundle also comes with a few hundred special weapons that would not be able to be fielded as well.

The BA Codex, for example, lists around 150 vehicles in the armory.

I doubt the guys that drive are counted in the 10 Companies, and I find it hard to believe they run less than 10 companies because lol1000marinesandNoMore.

Most of the Marine codecii have the Chapters at 10x100 +Auxiliary sections. Like: Sang. Guard, Librarium, Apothecaries, Chaplains, motorpool, Fleet, and so on.

@d-usa the fluff has always been additional drivers/gunners not counted into the "100". In 2nd edition the crew had a decent chance to hop out and fight. Occasionally a sloppy BL author messes it up, but most of the more thought out novels even explain the extra drivers, chaplains, command squad, and dreads as being outside the company organization.

...and FYI a "codex" chapter at full strength can creep up on the 1500 mark pretty easy. It's always been this way too. Often old veterans are put out to pasture as ship commanders, out post abbots, planetary liaisons, etc. Shoot, Calgar's got 30 honor guard... They aren't part of a company.

And some of them can still count towards the limit of 1000 fighting men. So the 9th having less than 100 foot-marines is not a rip-off since they can be seconded into support roles staffing tanks, fliers, etc.

 d-usa wrote:
And some of them can still count towards the limit of 1000 fighting men. So the 9th having less than 100 foot-marines is not a rip-off since they can be seconded into support roles staffing tanks, fliers, etc.

GW wrote:

..........Nearly 1,200 Space Marine models representing the Ultramarines as deployed at the Battle of Orar's Sepulchre 888.M41. Marneus Calgar leads his entire chapter against the perfidious Eldar of the Iyanden and Alaitoc Craftworlds.

9th co:
http://1.2.3.9/bmi/www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3450461a_99020101049_UMChapter11_445x319.jpg

- Captain, Librarian, Chaplain, Techmarine, command squad
- 7x10 Devastators
- 4x Rhinos
- 4x Razorbacks
- 3x Whirlwinds
- 2x Hunter
- 3x Landspeeder tornado
- 12x Centurier
- Sgt Chronus and a Land Raider

So you have the 9th company and the vehicles. This is repeated at every single company GW offers in this bundle.
No way to draw anyone from anywhere without less infantry models as shown by GW.
The pic has 82 marines of 9th co plus vehicles ( crew ~28 ). Am sure 82+28 is more than 100....

 1hadhq wrote:

The pic has 82 marines of 9th co plus vehicles ( crew ~28 ). Am sure 82+28 is more than 100....

I know.

That's why when somebody complained about the 9th company not having 100 marines in the company because not all squads had 10 marines in them I posted this:

 d-usa wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Qcbob wrote:
This make so much sens! You got +1 from me!

There's very clearly 7 Devastator Squads in the 9th company.

The problem is there isn't 100 Space Marines. There's 12 Centurions taking the place of 30 normal Marines (2 squads of 3 and one of 6). Whenever they've swapped out a Devastator or Assault squad for Centurions, they've left it at 3 or 6 Marines, when it should still be 10 going by squad and company numbers. So wherever they swap in Centurions they really should be swapping in 10, not 3 or 6, regardless of how the squad works in game, since they're meant to be selling a full chapter. They're quite frankly not doing that.

9th Company per bundle:

Command Squad: 5 Marines
Squad 1-7: 70 Marines
Squad 8-10: 12 Marines
Rhino x4: 4 Marines (driver)
Razorback x4: 4 Marines (driver & remote/auto guns) or 8 Marines (driver & gunner)
Land Raider: 2 Marines (driver, commander)
Land Speeder x3: 6 Marines (driver, gunner)
Whirlwind x3: 6 Marines (driver, gunner)
Hunter x2: 4 Marines (driver, gunner)
Captain
Chaplain
Librarian
Techmarine

Total: 117 Space Marines in the 9th Company.

The idea of having a whole chapter and playing another army the same size, I would consider it a waste of money. By the time you get done with the moving phase, the shooting phase, counting wound points, morale toss, etc, the next moving phase for the other player would be the next day. Or just go home, eat lunch and dinner, take a bath, get long nap and return for your moving phase. The first player should be done by then, and he can go home, eat breakfast, lunch, long nap, a few episodes of NCIS and return to move. Looks like it would be a week long or longer battle, and there are no thunderhawks, drop pods or allies involved. I would rather crank up the PC and play a game of dawn of war or ultramarines.

My credit card doesn't have a high enough limit but for those of us in the EU, it'd be possible to order it, see the mountain of boxes and realise how bored you'd be even just finding somewhere to put all this junk, and then return it using the Distance Selling Regulations.

I agree, if they're expecting anyone to plow that much money, those models best be the most well painted in the world, and should come with special books and codex. I would never buy it though, way to big of a dent in my pocket! I believe in the good old 1500 point game, not 1500 SM haha

As a seasoned veteran consumer and collector of warhammer products, I am almost insulted that you can even buy this. It would make a pretty nice grand prize from Scrooge McGames Workshop, but I would trade half of it for a titan and thunderhawk. It would be a terrible mistake to buy this without owning a miniature painting studio, having a sickening ammount of burnable cash and an ocd need to decorate a shelf. I can just see those knuckleheads at GW laughing with each other, mid circle jerk, "Y'know what'd be cool? Ah-hyuk, if we sold our entire product line with a single button click at a non-discounted rate and package it with toilet paper signed by my butt." If anyone were to buy this, then it had better show up instantly via rainbow being carried in a huge cashmere gift sack in one hand by a two headed Matt Ward/Tom Kirby with a pinata body while he is handing you a whiffle ball bat that has a nail sticking out of it with his other hand as he tells you that his body is full of delicious cheese, because no one wants to buy this and assemble and paint it, which, of course would be another few hundred in materials as well as a few hundred hours of free time. LOL@GW

the rant can never be over

..and by the time anyone is done painting this thing... he could start playing 8th Ed...

If I won the lotttery I would buy it, then I would pawn it off on Reece to build and paint!! With a ridiculous deadline for good measure.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
If I won the lotttery I would buy it...

Maybe from an internet reseller who can give an actual discount.

this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

Those are lovely Rose-tinted glasses you have there.

Did they come with the Blinders or were they purchased separately?

 TalonZahn wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

Those are lovely Rose-tinted glasses you have there.

Did they come with the Blinders or were they purchased separately?

Explain what is rose tinted then. Are you seriously suggesting that GW have released this because they see it as being a money spinner? That they think it'll get a decent uptake?

If that's the case then I think you need to put down the model glue and step out for some fresh air.

This is news yet?

GW wrote:

..........Nearly 1,200 Space Marine models representing the Ultramarines as deployed at the Battle of Orar's Sepulchre 888.M41. Marneus Calgar leads his entire chapter against the perfidious Eldar of the Iyanden and Alaitoc Craftworlds.

Quick. Attack Maccagge.

 EYEofTERROR wrote:
As a seasoned veteran consumer and collector of warhammer products, I am almost insulted that you can even buy this. It would make a pretty nice grand prize from Scrooge McGames Workshop, but I would trade half of it for a titan and thunderhawk. It would be a terrible mistake to buy this without owning a miniature painting studio, having a sickening ammount of burnable cash and an ocd need to decorate a shelf. I can just see those knuckleheads at GW laughing with each other, mid circle jerk, "Y'know what'd be cool? Ah-hyuk, if we sold our entire product line with a single button click at a non-discounted rate and package it with toilet paper signed by my butt." If anyone were to buy this, then it had better show up instantly via rainbow being carried in a huge cashmere gift sack in one hand by a two headed Matt Ward/Tom Kirby with a pinata body while he is handing you a whiffle ball bat that has a nail sticking out of it with his other hand as he tells you that his body is full of delicious cheese, because no one wants to buy this and assemble and paint it, which, of course would be another few hundred in materials as well as a few hundred hours of free time. LOL@GW

the rant can never be over

Apart from there is a discount, and it is clearly a PR thing. I doubt the actually expect to sell one. It is just nice to see what a full chapter looks like for me.

Seriously, I can't understand the hate on this one, but then I guess I have said something that is not negative, so I must be a delusional white knight. Or is it just jealousy that people dislike that there may be some people who can spend £7k without worrying, and they are not millionaires, just people with good jobs. One or two people I know could if they wanted. Unfortunately non of them are SM players.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

It's got the community talking negatively about them. Has anyone in this thread said anything positive about this move?

So how is this good for PR if it makes the community think negatively of you (or at best, find it ridiculous)? If it's a PR move, it's a bad PR move.

 heartserenade wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

It's got the community talking negatively about them. Has anyone in this thread said anything positive about this move?

So how is this good for PR if it makes the community think negatively of you (or at best, find it ridiculous)? If it's a PR move, it's a bad PR move.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

 heartserenade wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

It's got the community talking negatively about them. Has anyone in this thread said anything positive about this move?

So how is this good for PR if it makes the community think negatively of you (or at best, find it ridiculous)? If it's a PR move, it's a bad PR move.

PR rule #1: There is no such thing as "bad PR".

Tell that to companies, businesses and individuals destroyed by bad publicity. Really, that quote has been said so many times that no one stops to really think if it is actually true.

Examples would include Amy's Baking Company (got featured and shown in a bad light in Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares) and Jake Lloyd (played Anakin in Phantom Menace) who's acting career is currently non-existent.


Just take a moment and think if there's really no such thing as bad publicity. Just one moment. Wouldn't your customers talking negatively about your company, I dunno, affect your company negatively? Maybe I'm just crazy.

And actual quotes from actual PR people:

reputation.com wrote:There is such a thing as bad publicity, but most negative attention can be managed by someone who knows how. If you or your company are struggling with a bad reputation, we can help you turn it around. Yesterday's bad news might become tomorrow's free press. Contact us today to find out how we can help.

personalbrandingpros.com wrote:Although the idea that “there is no such thing as bad publicity” has been around as long as the industry itself, most public relations professionals would not agree. A rise in business can come out of bad press if the situation is addressed quickly and efficiently. Above all, the response must be positive, transparent and honest in order to move the focus away from past deeds to the present and the future. Perhaps a better saying would be that bad publicity can provide an opportunity for good publicity if the response is positive and productive. When folks are talking about you there is a greater chance for business growth than if no one knows you exist.

It would be amusing if forgeworld put a legion 1-click deal up on their website.

10,000+ FW marines with equipment would probably run you $250,000+

uh just no, I would hope my friends would take away my wallet for my own protection if I even considered this.

 keezus wrote:


Quick. Attack Maccagge.

I hear Codex Nids is next.

Hive Fleet Behemoth one-click deal? How many Gaunts should be in it?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 keezus wrote:


Quick. Attack Maccagge.

I hear Codex Nids is next.

Hive Fleet Behemoth one-click deal? How many Gaunts should be in it?

Got me thinking about the nids. GW should just sell you a mold to make more gaunts out of play-doh. said mold of course will sell for $10K

One-Click IG, includes mold for piles of dead bodies.

Dead bodies can also count-as improvised ADLs.

 heartserenade wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

It's got the community talking negatively about them. Has anyone in this thread said anything positive about this move?

So how is this good for PR if it makes the community think negatively of you (or at best, find it ridiculous)? If it's a PR move, it's a bad PR move.

But the problem is that they don't actually seem to have done anything wrong. It's all very odd, but I haven't seen a truly valid bit of crtitisium about this. Honestly, it really dose seem like the same old people with the same old negativity. I mean, even on page 6 we still have people complaining that you don't get a discount or anything extra, when you do.

The only negativity seems to be from people who either haven't botherd to look at the product or saying "LOL thats expensive", which I realy don't see as a valid problem. It's not like anyone has to buy it, and some people may well. What is wrong with them selling some ing for £7k? Oh, and lots people saying"you would never paint all that". All I'm seeing is negativity for the sake of it.

There have been lots of people saying positive things about the discount, the extras and the interest of seeing the full chapter.

There are lots of things to complain about, but honestly, GW putting together a bundle, with discount, and extras, for a lot of money realy is not one of them.


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 d-usa wrote:
One-Click IG, includes mold for piles of dead bodies.

Dead bodies can also count-as improvised ADLs.

Or the one click Ork bundle. £7k of random Ork boxes and the contents of one of the designers bits box.

treslibras wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
this place makes me chuckle with the anti-GW rants sometimes!

It's clearly a PR thing, and a good one as it's got the community talking. If it gets a sale then brilliant, if not then it's made an army that has just had a book released even more of a talking point.

But yeah, it's GW that have dropped the ball here....

It's got the community talking negatively about them. Has anyone in this thread said anything positive about this move?

So how is this good for PR if it makes the community think negatively of you (or at best, find it ridiculous)? If it's a PR move, it's a bad PR move.

PR rule #1: There is no such thing as "bad PR".

Miley Cyrus at the VMAs?


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 d-usa wrote:
One-Click IG, includes mold for piles of dead bodies.

Dead bodies can also count-as improvised ADLs.

Doesn't the Wall of Martyrs or whatever it's called come with IG bodies piled up in front of it?