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Is there any unit or character in the game that can defeat the Swarmlord in CC if he has both Iron Arm and Warp Speed?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Is there any unit or character in the game that can defeat the Swarmlord in CC if he has both Iron Arm and Warp Speed?

Grey Knight Brotherhood Champion. Swarmlord Kills him, Champ swings, and if he hits the Swarmlord is -gone-.

Lukas the Trickster does something similar only it works automatically.

Brotherhood champ needs to pass a 3d6 psychic check, then Swarmlord gets a 4+ deny the witch, then the champ hits on a four or five. Avoid Lukas like the plague though! Good thing neither are popular choices.

You could just shoot it to death. If it has tyrant guard, the average toughness is 6.

 jifel wrote:
Brotherhood champ needs to pass a 3d6 psychic check, then Swarmlord gets a 4+ deny the witch, then the champ hits on a four or five. Avoid Lukas like the plague though! Good thing neither are popular choices.

Swarmlord wouldn't get a Deny the Witch, it's not targetting the Swarmlord, the ability targets the Champ who then uses it to make a single attack, which then hits on a 4 or a 5.

 juraigamer wrote:
You could just shoot it to death. If it has tyrant guard, the average toughness is 6.

I know that, thats why I specifically said in CC. There are plenty of units that can shoot it to death, T9 or not.

Any Necron Lord with Mindshackle Scarabs can possibly make the Swarmlord kill himself. If that counts.

A iron arm warp speed greater unclean one with 2 greater gifts might have a chance they cost the same points wise.

Also if the greater unclean one took a bale sword unless the swarmlord has eternal warrior its not even difficult.

 Overlord Zerrtin wrote:
A iron arm warp speed greater unclean one with 2 greater gifts might have a chance they cost the same points wise.

Also if the greater unclean one took a bale sword unless the swarmlord has eternal warrior its not even difficult.

Iron Arms gives you EW. I still don't see how an Iron Armed GUO would do the trick. Swarmlord would still go first, yes he needs 5s if GUO is T10 but he's getting up to 10 attacks on the charge with warp speed. GOU needs 4s to hit him back so at least half his attacks wont hit.

I've seen Abaddon tear a fully Iron Arm and Warp Speed buffed Swarmlord to shreds in one cc combat phase in a Character bash game.

In fairness, it was some epic rolls from Abaddon.

A unit of 30 poisen gaunts.

A unit of poisoned gargoyles would do it to. With auto-wounds on a 6 to hit. Then poison attacks afterward.

As to characters. Like said the GUO similarly buffed might do it. Abaddon has to go beast mode to do with his dice. Other than that there is not much. Without the ability to instant kill him swarmy is a CC monster the likes of which are nigh impossible to deal with.

Seekers. There is a simple formula for determining if Seekers can kill something.

1) Does it have a toughness value?
2) If the answer to 1 is "yes," it dies.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Overlord Zerrtin wrote:
A iron arm warp speed greater unclean one with 2 greater gifts might have a chance they cost the same points wise.

Also if the greater unclean one took a bale sword unless the swarmlord has eternal warrior its not even difficult.

Iron Arms gives you EW. I still don't see how an Iron Armed GUO would do the trick. Swarmlord would still go first, yes he needs 5s if GUO is T10 but he's getting up to 10 attacks on the charge with warp speed. GOU needs 4s to hit him back so at least half his attacks wont hit.

well with the artifact sword the Guo has minimum of 6 attacks and if were assuming both get warp speed and iron arm the Guo is minimum that's 7 attacks base and 11 at most with a possible Fnp or extra wound from greater gift that will always wound on 4+ for poison and possible re roll depending on the swarmlord's toughness that turn. he starts with more wounds and a higher toughness then swarmy so its certainly possible if not completely favorable. For certain though whitchever beast walked out of the combat would be wounded badly!

I think vect might do the trick in this case

juraigamer wrote:You could just shoot it to death. If it has tyrant guard, the average toughness is 6.

If there's more than 1 guard you mean. If he only runs 1 guard, the majority toughness is 50/50, so you take the highest. Mean trick to get a potential T9 tyrant guard.

Shooting : lucky SAG shot with boxcars, poison etc

CC poison again, massed high str attacks, such as a full th/ss unit or similar.

Or just hope he kills himself with perils

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
Any Necron Lord with Mindshackle Scarabs can possibly make the Swarmlord kill himself. If that counts.

If the Swarmlord gets Iron Arm, he has Eternal Warrior. It will take him roughly 3 turns to beat himself to death, which means Mindshackle Scarabs needs to work 3 times in a row, which is unlikely. If the Swarmlord is unaffected for even 1 turn, the likelyhood of the Necron lord surviving is very, very low.

So yes, it's possible, but not likely at all.

 Ascalam wrote:
Shooting : lucky SAG shot with boxcars, poison etc

CC poison again, massed high str attacks, such as a full th/ss unit or similar.

Or just hope he kills himself with perils

in the case of Hammernators, Swarmy goes first, hits them on threes, wounds on twos, they need 5s just to hit him back, and he makes them re-roll their 3++. Even a 10-man unit would be hard pressed to kill him.

True, but they could still kill him. Never said it would be easy

Massive splinter bombardment from range would be my preferred method

The basic method of dealing with him is 'shoot the gak out of him'. He's melee beatstick, and his primary use is area denial (basically because no one in their right mind wants to be in assault range). Trying to find a character that can deal with him 1v1 is pretty much impossible because he's the best 1v1 beatstick in the game. He's designed to beat everything else 1v1, and even do significant damage to melee units, even if they might eventually bring him down.

Basically, you're trying to accomplish your objective the hard way. Shoot him.

Put Endurance on him from a Zoanthrope and a Telekine Dome for added lulz.

Then try a swarmstar, one Tyrant guard and one regenerating prime, both with lash whips.

The only way to beat this is either a LoC or a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch with either the Eternal Blade or a greater Etherblade, Forewarning, the Grimoire casted on him, and Iron Arm and Warp Speed, Endurance or Warp speed can come from someone else though.

And even then, without instant death for the Prince to deal with the ablative wounds it will be a long, long, LONG slugging match.

 Carnage43 wrote:

juraigamer wrote:You could just shoot it to death. If it has tyrant guard, the average toughness is 6.

If there's more than 1 guard you mean. If he only runs 1 guard, the majority toughness is 50/50, so you take the highest. Mean trick to get a potential T9 tyrant guard.

Ahhhhh, so only running him with one TG is better than two or three and a Prime?

I just realized who can beat Swarmy: Skarbrand.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized who can beat Swarmy: Skarbrand.

Not buffed swarmy, no.

Besides, a pimped out and buffed Lord of Change kills Skarbrand's pansy ass every time.

 Kain wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized who can beat Swarmy: Skarbrand.

Not buffed swarmy, no.

Besides, a pimped out and buffed Lord of Change kills Skarbrand's pansy ass every time.

Why not? Skarbrand is I10, so he goes first even with Sawrmy Warp Speed. His axes have Fleshbane, so T9 dont mean crap. He has rage and hatred, so on the charge he has NINE attacks with re-rolls to hit. And since his attacks at ID, Swarmy can't get FNP is he gets it via biomancy.

Skarbrand

Mindshackle Overlord

That's about it in my experience.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I just realized who can beat Swarmy: Skarbrand.

Not buffed swarmy, no.

Besides, a pimped out and buffed Lord of Change kills Skarbrand's pansy ass every time.

Why not? Skarbrand is I10, so he goes first even with Sawrmy Warp Speed. His axes have Fleshbane, so T9 dont mean crap. He has rage and hatred, so on the charge he has NINE attacks with re-rolls to hit. And since his attacks at ID, Swarmy can't get FNP is he gets it via biomancy.

He has an invulnerable to get through, and he has no eternal warrior so the Swarmlord Pokes him and he explodes. Also, in a swarmstar I have a guard and a prime with lash whips so Skarbrand goes last and dies like the worthless wuss he is.

Now my Lord of Change or Daemon Prince of Tzeentch who makes you Khornates look like pansies has a rerollable 2++ invulnerable, the blade of eternity, warp speed, iron arm, forewarning, and some guy to cast down Endurance on him.

Where's your whimpy blood god now?

tl;dr Khorne is Tzeentch's gimp.

I thought this was a challenge of one HQ vrs swarmy? Of course debuffing skarbrand with other units hurts him. One model units with only using the buffs and debuffs they have I still think skarbrand and a overlord will beat swarmlord.

 spacewolved wrote:
I thought this was a challenge of one HQ vrs swarmy? Of course debuffing skarbrand with other units hurts him. One model units with only using the buffs and debuffs they have I still think skarbrand and a overlord will beat swarmlord.

The Overlord can win with a disco court inferno against a Swarmstar.

Skarbrand cannot beat a Swarmstar period.

But Tzeentch and his LoCs and Princes can. Because Tzeentch is the best.