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So who thinks this should be a HQ choice and what Stats do you think he should have?

Honestly would be cool. Probably same stats as a lib. unlocks addition apothecary like tech marines would be cool too.

Chief Apothecary
C:SM HQ
100 pts
Ws/5 BS/4 S/4 T/4 W/2 I/4 A/2 LD/10 Sv/2+
Wargear:artificer armor, bolt pistol, narthecium, Apothecary servo-pack
Apothecary servo-pack: a modified backpack with neural interface programmed into the black carapace allows the Apothecary to treat many wounded with surprising speed and even disregard the most grievous wounds. the apothecary can nullify 2 wounds per turn. In addition, the backpack comes ready with a modified bolt pistol and neural toxin for emergency use or administering the emperors peace. In melee combat the Chief Apothecary gets +1 attack at I4 with the following profile: R- S4 AP5, and all attacks have Poisoned (4+) special rule.
May exchange the bolt pistol for one of the following for the price listed:
Chainsword (free)
Power sword/axe/maul/claw (15 pts)
Plasma Pistol (15)

That sounds pretty balanced too. And give him the option to have a command squad too.

Chief Apothecary
C:SM HQ
100 pts
Ws/5 BS/4 S/4 T/4 W/2 I/4 A/2 LD/10 Sv/2+
Wargear:artificer armor, bolt pistol, narthecium, Apothecary servo-pack
Apothecary servo-pack: a modified backpack with neural interface programmed into the black carapace allows the Apothecary to treat many wounded with surprising speed and even disregard the most grievous wounds. the apothecary can nullify 2 wounds per turn. In addition, the backpack comes ready with a modified bolt pistol and neural toxin for emergency use or administering the emperors peace. In melee combat the Chief Apothecary gets +1 attack at I4 with the following profile: R- S4 AP5, and all attacks have Poisoned (4+) special rule.
May exchange the bolt pistol for one of the following for the price listed:
Chainsword (free)
Power sword/axe/maul/claw (15 pts)
Plasma Pistol (15)
May take a command squad (excluding apothecary) for the price and options as listed in C:SM.

I was thinking about that nullifying wounds thing, that's powerful. So does anyone think it's two powerful? And should he provide an enhanced feel no pain? Does anyone think of any other SM that are in fluff but not a playable piece? Finally what do you think maybe a medic squad for chief be more fluffy or command squad works fine?

I don't really think he needs anything too special like a special poison gun.

I think 80pts
Ws/5 BS/4 S/4 T/4 W/2 I/4 A/2 LD/10 Sv/3+
with special rule 4+ FNP.
Can buy terminator armor or have access to all but heavy list like other hqs

Unlock a squad of up to 5 regular IC Medics (like cryptecs) each for 30pts per would be good.

Simple sweet and to the point

There is a salamander apothecary hq from forgeworld that would be a decent starting point

Poison gun made sense to me and it's fluffy. Otherwise cool. SM doesn't seem to have a whole lot in the poison range.

Drakka77 wrote:
Poison gun made sense to me and it's fluffy. Otherwise cool. SM doesn't seem to have a whole lot in the poison range.

Gun wouldnt be poisoned, melee attacks would be. I wanted to throw that in there to represent him getting a jab with the needle and slowing his enemy down/inhibiting him. Also, it nullifies only before armor saves and only if you would get a save (no AP2-3) nor against ID attacks as per 4th edition

The Chief Apothecary in the HH:B book has a needle pistol (poisoned gun).

I would say loading him out like a techmarine but giving a 4+fnp to the squad. Also I like the idea of being able to buy a medic squad that can be dispersed amongst the other squads on the table to provide a 5+ fnp

I like the idea but can't say I particularly like the execution. Personally I would expect the head Apothecary to be well protected. I'd like to offer an alternative suggestion.

1 Apothecary in the army my be upgraded to Chief Apothecary at Xpts.

WS 5
BS 5
Str 4
T 4
W 2
Int 4
A 2
Ld 10
Sv 3+

Wargear
Power Armour
F+K grenades
Bolt Pistol
Chainsword
Narthecium
Reductor
If your Warlord and Chief Apothecary are in the same unit when your Warlord dies (even if part of a challenge), don't remove the model from the table, instead lay it face down on the table. You may roll a D6 at the end of the phase unless locked in combat. On a roll of a 6 the Apothecary has managed to save your warlord's Geneseed and your opponent will gain no bonus VP for Slay the Warlord. If your Apothecary is locked in Combat, wait untill the combat has finished before rolling. If the Apothecary's unit falls back or the Apothecary dies, or you fail the roll, remove the Warlord. The Apothecary was simply unable to recover the Geneseed.

Special Rules
ATSKNF, IC

Head of the Apothecarium
Chief Apothecaries grant all models within 6" the Feel No Pain rule, and they themselves pass FNP on a role of 3+.




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Options

The Chief Apothecary may take items from the Melee, Ranged and Special Weapons lists.

 Deadshot wrote:
Prognoid Recovery unit

It's called Reductor

That is the fluffiest version yet in my opinion. Any more versions? Or maybe other heroes like chief librarian that isn't tigirius? Or a head chaplain? Maybe a pilot or whatever,

 Mezmerro wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Prognoid Recovery unit

It's called Reductor

Thanks, had a brainfart -.-

I have Brother Corbulo as an Elite, I don't need an HQ to do the same job slightly better especially when BA have so many other badass HQs (Mephiston, not to mention Dante and Astorath)

Not everyone is BA but good to know they have options. Also another idea Scout Captain, ideas for him?

Drakka77 wrote:
Not everyone is BA but good to know they have options. Also another idea Scout Captain, ideas for him?

Probably best for another thread but something on the lines of no scatter deep strikes within a marker or two, OR some orbital bombardments (to soften up some important targets as the rest of the army drops in using STEEHL REIN.)

Honestly you could get a Scout Captain by letting him swap his PA for Scout Armour and Camo Cloak for free, and gaining an option to take a Stalker Pattern Boltgun, while removing the option for jump pack. A Captain with Scout Armour and Bike makes Scout Bikers troops.

I thought chaplain statline and giving FNP to units within "6" would be suitable.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
Chief Apothecary
C:SM HQ
100 pts
Ws/5 BS/4 S/4 T/4 W/2 I/4 A/2 LD/10 Sv/2+
Wargear:artificer armor, bolt pistol, narthecium, Apothecary servo-pack
Apothecary servo-pack: a modified backpack with neural interface programmed into the black carapace allows the Apothecary to treat many wounded with surprising speed and even disregard the most grievous wounds. the apothecary can nullify 2 wounds per turn. In addition, the backpack comes ready with a modified bolt pistol and neural toxin for emergency use or administering the emperors peace. In melee combat the Chief Apothecary gets +1 attack at I4 with the following profile: R- S4 AP5, and all attacks have Poisoned (4+) special rule.
May exchange the bolt pistol for one of the following for the price listed:
Chainsword (free)
Power sword/axe/maul/claw (15 pts)
Plasma Pistol (15)

I don't see why a chief apothecary in particular should get artificer armour. IIRC the reason tech marines and MOTF get artificer armour is because they personally modify their own armour and equipment. I suggest give him basic power armour and give him the same access to upgrades as a librarian.

 Desubot wrote:
I don't really think he needs anything too special like a special poison gun.

I think 80pts
Ws/5 BS/4 S/4 T/4 W/2 I/4 A/2 LD/10 Sv/3+
with special rule 4+ FNP.
Can buy terminator armor or have access to all but heavy list like other hqs

Unlock a squad of up to 5 regular IC Medics (like cryptecs) each for 30pts per would be good.

Simple sweet and to the point

This.

Also cannot be taken as the only HQ. An Apocathory leading a space marine force in battle is a bit strange.

This is what Chief Apothacaries should be like IMO:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/b/Shen.pdf

Lucarikx

I could see an apothecary leading marines when it's a mission to recover geneseeds.

 Deadshot wrote:


Head of the Apothecarium
Chief Apothecaries grant all models within 6" the Feel No Pain rule, and they themselves pass FNP on a role of 3+.

All id say is make this 4+ as opposed to 3+ as thats a little too potent I feel. 4+ is old FNP and is still very good. A 50% chance to ignore a wound.