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Open up your space marine codex to the immediate inside of the cover, to revel in the glory of the black-and-white picture displaying the full glory of the space marines along with their man-servants, seen in various places in the picture re-surfacing the polish on the armor in the heat of battle.

of particular interest, notice the marines with banded pauldrons. I want those. I am considering paying to comission these, but I'm looking to see first if someone can possibly help point these out for me. Only that exact style, as seen will do. I'm also looking for alternates for studded shoulder pads. I just picked up a new set of 3rd party marines I plan to be running, and they've got banded armor legs, and now I just want the banded armor pauldrons to match the legs. Please don't be TFG by referring me to ebay. I'm not paying some..... "clever enterprising individual" $12 for shipping of something that ways less than the envelope it's sent in only to have it travel from the US to me in canada. At that price, I'd rather just cough up for a comission. There's a very specific reason I'm asking, because I've tried kromlech, scibor, anvil industries, chapterhouse, the obvious feebay search terms, etc. All the obvious places and come up empty handed. I know CHS used to carry banded armor before the whole kaffaffel with GW, but I recently found pics of their Mk.1 shoulder pads, and those were close, but not quite what I'm looking for, which can be seen on the inside cover of the space marine codex.

EDIT:

I guess I should clarify, it is a little more than basic old thunder armor pauldrons.

Woops, nevermind!

I have the digital codex and so I don't know which picture you are exactly referring to. For reference is it the same style as the Sgt shown here?

that's just thunder armor, isn't it?

same thing again here on the one dude, but it's close to what I'm looking for


closest I could find again was on the dude in the left,


it's ridicoulous how hard it is to find the image I'm referring to. There's a chaplain, an apothecary, and a librarian all there along with chapter serfs.....I suppose I could just take a picture of it and upload it.......


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still can't find that image. I don't know if my googlefu is really that bad, but I did find:



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getting warmer....

@ poda - I think the pauldrons (Not specifically the full armour set as full sets are very rare) are all relic examples of either Mk I Thunder armour or Mk II Crusade Armour - either variant makes use of banded segments for greater maneuverability. It may be worth taking a look at the Mk I Thunder Armour from GW's 'Armour through the Ages' set. Should you like the pauldrons from there you could pass them on to have several casts made and all surplus from the set could be sold on ebay. Just a thought if you can't specifically find what you're looking for.

I know scibor does some awesome shoulder pads with edge details, the only problem would be theres tons of stuff on the pad itself.
http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=97
and Anvil Industry has a nice selection of alternatives but they're not quite space mariney
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=77_68

Other than that I know forgeworld and GW have shoulder upgrade sets, mostly by chapter or terminator though. So you'd have to do some converting or covering of some of the details. Hope that helps a little.

Is a custom 3D print option viable for you, via shapeways or ponoko (or equiv.)?

They could be drawn up to the correct scale and dimensions then printed for something around the $10* mark each (or down to maybe $5* each if done on a sprue-type layout and printed as a single unit of multiple pauldrons, like so: P_P_P etc, where P is a pauldron and _ is the sprue.)

*[Guesstimate only, sorry!]

I'm trying to avoid the thunder armor is the trick. I like the look of it, but don't like the way they did the helmet or the lightning bolts.

GiantSmasher wrote:
Is a custom 3D print option viable for you, via shapeways or ponoko (or equiv.)?

They could be drawn up to the correct scale and dimensions then printed for something around the $10* mark each (or down to maybe $5* each if done on a sprue-type layout and printed as a single unit of multiple pauldrons, like so: P_P_P etc, where P is a pauldron and _ is the sprue.)

*[Guesstimate only, sorry!]

Do you have any idea how much I despise you right now? I actually wanted my marines to hae the masonic symbol on their shoulder, considered painting it, but skipped out on it... and then here I find that they are for sale...... ..... now I need to figure out how to add these on....................... thanks for that.... did find some other things there though.will consider your suggestion.

I've been hunting for that style cross shoulder pad that's on shapeways! I didn't even know about this place! I'm in heaven!

The pads on the company champion might be close to what you want.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440271a&prodId=prod1050238

While not fully banded, they are duel-layered.

 poda_t wrote:
I'm trying to avoid the thunder armor is the trick. I like the look of it, but don't like the way they did the helmet or the lightning bolts.

GiantSmasher wrote:
Is a custom 3D print option viable for you, via shapeways or ponoko (or equiv.)?

They could be drawn up to the correct scale and dimensions then printed for something around the $10* mark each (or down to maybe $5* each if done on a sprue-type layout and printed as a single unit of multiple pauldrons, like so: P_P_P etc, where P is a pauldron and _ is the sprue.)

*[Guesstimate only, sorry!]

Do you have any idea how much I despise you right now?...

It's cool, I get that a lot.

Am married.

 Nevelon wrote:
The pads on the company champion might be close to what you want.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440271a&prodId=prod1050238

While not fully banded, they are duel-layered.

been thinking about those as well, but then I'd have gone with the anvil industries variant.

I'm really surprised at both how hard it is to find an instance of this part in artwork, and in the miniatures and 3rd party bits online. It's easy enough to find instances of banded armor, for legs and torso, but no such luck for a banded shoulder on its own. CHSs thunder armor bit is discontinued, and I made my own with GS, and didn't like the result.

>_< fanks anyways guys

I think there is ONE in the red scorpions honour guard kit from Forgeworld with an iron halo on it. I'm guessing it may not be feasible for you to grab the kit just for that one bit, though there are some really nice pieces in that set.

I just checked and you can pick it up individually on eBay for a reasonable amount. Good luck!

sigh... yup... finally. That's the one..... now only needs to be plain!

thanks luka

Chapter huse studios do some good pads.

 sing your life wrote:
Chapter huse studios do some good pads.

I'm aware of this, but the hands are in the way of this working well. They don't seem to have a plain banded pauldron, which is what i'm looking for:

Do those forgeworld pauldrons come down a bit further on the arm than normal? They look taller or something. Though that banded look doesn't look that complex to sculpt. The challenge is getting the lines separating the plates to be thin enough, yet defined enough and also really strait and parallel to each other. Also rivets.

I'm not aware of any forgeworld pauldrons that have bands on them apart from the one oddred scorpion one what was pointed out to me. I'm considering sculpting onto existing pads, but I'm concerned that's going to look a little large. I tried sculpting thunder armor pauldrons directly onto the arm once in place, but.............. that is an experience I would prefer to avoid repeating. It looks passable from the relevant angles.

 poda_t wrote:
I made my own with GS, and didn't like the result.

For something like this, I would suggest using either extremely thin and flexible plasticard and a lot of measuring before gluing down each band individually (then press-mold the result for the others you want), or try making the master with brown stuff instead. Brown stuff holds a better edge and, more importantly, can be easily sanded, drilled and cut after it has cured. It should be possible just to cover the pad with a layer of brown stuff, let it set and then carve the lines into it for the bands afterwards. I'm going to be using it and thin plasticard to make banded armour for my FW KoS at some point but that's on a somewhat bigger scale. You can also get very thin plasticard rod and slice off narrow sections using a sharp hobby knife for rivets.

Alternatively, maybe get one of the pads which has the sort of detail you want, carve/clip off the detail on the front and then reassemble the detail back using brown stuff and rivets? Then at least you'd have a guide as well. Green stuff isn't really the medium you want to be using for mechanical or armoured parts, as it sags and loses edges very easily due to its semi-elastic nature.

Example of my brown-stuff work:

 poda_t wrote:
I'm not aware of any forgeworld pauldrons that have bands on them apart from the one oddred scorpion one what was pointed out to me. I'm considering sculpting onto existing pads, but I'm concerned that's going to look a little large. I tried sculpting thunder armor pauldrons directly onto the arm once in place, but.............. that is an experience I would prefer to avoid repeating. It looks passable from the relevant angles.

If you want a perfect master you have to build/sculpt each band individually. Roll the putty into a thin line and attach it to the shoulder. Like already posted a harder curing putty like brown stuff or my favorite Milliput - GS mix works better than pure GS. (But GS can also work if you know what you do) If the sculpted band has cured grab a fine grit sanding paper and work out the kinks. Then repeat until you are finished.
What i would also do is mark out the size of the bands on the sides of the shoulder for orientation. And if you already noticed that one band isn't to your liking you can carefully pull it off again and restart.

I've been putting off sculpting for a while, so I can collect a sufficient number of projects for the purpose of making sure that its worth my time to roll out the sculpting materials, and it looks like now I'll finally have enough.

doomhammer, would you say it's worth my time and effort sculpting directly onto a GW pad? or should i just take an arm, slice it up and create a sculpting armature, and sculpt the pad on that, and remove it from said armature and transfer to model? Lastly, if I'm doing it directly on the pad, what can i use to make it easier to work with, to stabilize the pad as I work on it? You've got oodles of experience under your belt, so... I was actually going to consider sending you a message with a price tag attached.

Well i'd try and sculpt it onto a GW pad. Depending if you want edges or not you could sand them away before starting.
If you use the pad you have to use less GS for each band and it can get tricky to portion it right but you have the advantage of an existing shoulder form with a good curve and everything. This way you don't have to bother with getting a good curve and sharp outer edges as they are already there.

And to better hold it i just use a base with blue tac on top and press the shoulder onto it. If you place it right you still have access the the shoulder edges while still sitting firmly onto the blue tac. Or superglue it on an arm/model. If you use only a tiny bit of glue you should be able to break it free afterwards.

Well, seeing as you helped me out with my bits needs in the past, I felt I should do a bit of scouring of these here interwebs and see what I could scrounge up for you. What bothers me is that I KNOW that I have seen the exact thing you're looking for. I know it for a damned fact. I have seen it, it was painted red, and I remarked on it to a friend but as I scour the webs right now I cannot seem to find the source.

Anvil Industries has several options available for layered and ridged shoulder pads:
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=77_68

None of them are *exactly* what you're looking for, but they're all plain and some are *very* close.

Another close match is this set from Puppetswar:
http://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=197

They have a number of layered/banded options in normal marine and terminator sizes.

In addition, Maxmini makes a variety pack of layered shoulder pads, and if you specify it in your order details you can have all of the pads in your order match a specific style:
http://maxmini.eu/conversion-bits/equipment-and-accessories/large-shoulder-pads

Now, you have another option from Kabuki models:
http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/the-12433/Celtic-Pads--dsh-Luxury-Conversion/Detail

These are still not exactly the same, but they have the shallowest "steps" of any of the layered pads I've seen. The downside is that they are metal and expensive, so they might not be suitable for doing a full army.

Now, here's an option from Basicks. You might remember that at one point, Micro Art Studios had a lot of great bits available. Basicks is a company founded by a former member of MAS, who owned the IP rights to all their bits. You have two options.
Flatter, with studs:
http://basicks.eu/shop/index.php?id_product=229&controller=product&id_lang=1
And rounder, without studs:
http://basicks.eu/shop/index.php?id_product=228&controller=product&id_lang=1

I think the studless version might be the closest thing I've found to what you're talking about. Also, you might consider browsing all the bits from Basicks because they have some excellent marine leg bits and naked female torsos, which are always good to have for various projects.


Kromlech makes leg bits that will match perfectly to the style you're seeking. They currently use an Ebay storefront:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kromlech-Legionaries-Legs-space-legions-/150975011937?pt=Games_US&hash=item2326cfdc61

I could have sworn they made shoulder pads too, but I could not find them.

Here's another Chapterhouse bit:
http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=85_86_105&product_id=110

The nut in the middle is probably a no-go, but I'm sure it would be easy to remove. This might be the piece I saw before.


Now, one final option I have for you is here:

http://www.shop.microartstudio.com/armour-folds-p-568.html

This is a rubber mold made specifically to replicate ridged armor sections using green stuff. It's a bit expensive for the mold, but if you're doing a full army you might see a good return for your investment. One side benefit is that it contains molds for the shoulderpads as well as for the greaves to match.



Okay, I think that's the end of what I can do. I have opened up and upturned my entire bag of tricks to find the exact pad you're looking for, but I fear I have still come up short.

Seen it all before, except for spikeybitz/kabuki. All of those area no-go.Thought about those molds, thinking about them a bit more now that you brought them up again. Hmmmm. It would definitely cut down on my sculpting time, though to sure how I feel about those cuts. I'd have to give it a whirl, but 20 euro sounds steep for a one-time use. if I can't get enough pads consistently sculpted, I may need to order this.

Addendum: I didn't realize that the bitz market was so small. I was expecting it to be bigger, though it looks like the 3d printers is a new discovery some are reveling in, so I'm t least not the only one to have gotten a use out of this thread.

do you want them scaled or flat, if you want i can write/make a simple tutorial on how to do it, i have done it many times succesfully before

anvil industries used to make them scaled but not anymore
http://www.deepstrikeradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Anvil2.jpg

Was playing Dawn of War 2 again recently and screenied some things for modeling ideas. Saw a 2 layer shoulderpad in them that I thought was relevant:

 poda_t wrote:
Open up your space marine codex to the immediate inside of the cover, to revel in the glory of the black-and-white picture displaying the full glory of the space marines along with their man-servants, seen in various places in the picture re-surfacing the polish on the armor in the heat of battle.