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"Adeptus" lol.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'd put it like this:
Sisters of Battle should be "peak human": the best of humanity. Space Marines are not the best of humanity, they are the best abhumans humanity can create. On the other hand, Sisters of Battle should be immune to chaos influence, because psycho-surgery and brainwashing are no substitute for True Faith. Grey Knights should be immune to chaos influence too, because they have sacrificed even more of their humanity than regular marines, with anything that chaos could latch onto excised to the point where they're not really people any more.

So...Grey Knights are basically Flesh Golems?

Basically, yes. The Grey Knight brain should be half way between regular Space Marines and Servitors - sufficiently brutalised that they lack the ability to do anything that would let them fall to chaos, but not brutalised so much that they just stand in the corner drooling on themselves.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I'd put it like this:
Sisters of Battle should be "peak human": the best of humanity. Space Marines are not the best of humanity, they are the best abhumans humanity can create. On the other hand, Sisters of Battle should be immune to chaos influence, because psycho-surgery and brainwashing are no substitute for True Faith. Grey Knights should be immune to chaos influence too, because they have sacrificed even more of their humanity than regular marines, with anything that chaos could latch onto excised to the point where they're not really people any more.

So...Grey Knights are basically Flesh Golems?

Basically, yes. The Grey Knight brain should be half way between regular Space Marines and Servitors - sufficiently brutalised that they lack the ability to do anything that would let them fall to chaos, but not brutalised so much that they just stand in the corner drooling on themselves.

I'm betting part of it is the Apothecary taking a tub of spackle and filling in all those "bothersome wrinkles" to ward against Chaos.

 Manchu wrote:
"Adeptus" lol.

They can't even remember how to spell the factions name. Epic Fail.

After the whole "Retributor with Heavy Bolter" (which was clearly a multi-melta), this whole Adeptus thing doesn't bug me.

I can't help but note the language they use in describing the Sisters of Battle Codex and the Blood Angels Codex...

The SoB have updated rules for 6th edition. BA don't...

BA have 360 views of models and will get updated with FAQ's. The SoB don't have that in their description...

 Lynata wrote:
Plus they just got their own section on the website.

What website? They've always had a section on the GW website.

drbored wrote:
And from a business perspective

Ah, but if you're considering that angle, then this mini-update makes absolutely no business sense. Why spend the time and money on updating them when they'll just be handed over to FW, who will then need to publish the rules themselves anyway? That would make this mini-update completely pointless.

 Lynata wrote:
"The uniforms of the Adepta Sororitas are based upon the original garments worn by the Daughters of the Emperor. The Orders of the Ebon Chalice and Valorous Heart display the colours of the original Convents, unchanged for 4.000 years. The other Orders continue this principle with only minor modifications to distinguish them on the battlefield. The Orders Militant make use of three main colours in the design of their uniforms; black, white and red."

However, GW also released a Painting Masterclass article for the SoB to accompany the 3E Codex, which included a colour scheme section where they elaborated a bit on the concept of re-arranging these three "sanctioned" colours for use with a Minor Order, or the option of using completely "Alternate colour schemes":

I have to say, I've never liked this piece of fluff. It seems like it's needlessly limiting the creativity in players in a hobby where creativity plays a big role. I've seen some very nice paintjobs deviate massively from the "sanctioned" colours, and I don't think it's right for those players to be told that their paintjobs, that they've put effort into, are "wrong". My own Minor Order violates it, even, their primary colour being grey. Personally, I'd prefer if this particular piece of fluff were retconned, or just quitely forgotten. Major Orders can still look the same, of course, but Minor Orders should be completely unrestricted.

 Manchu wrote:
I'd rather have them all in power heels

Oh, hey there, Blanche. I didn't know that you were a moderator here.

 Manchu wrote:
"Adeptus" lol.

You mean because you really want the codex to be called "Adeptae Sorroritatum"? Or maybe "Addeptarum Sororitas"?

drbored wrote:
I can't help but note the language they use in describing the Sisters of Battle Codex and the Blood Angels Codex...

The SoB have updated rules for 6th edition. BA don't...

BA have 360 views of models and will get updated with FAQ's. The SoB don't have that in their description...

I wouldn't worry about it. Plastics are the pivotal factor here, IMO. The SoB will get their real update once those are able to be released.

Also, porting the SoB over from a WD is probably more complex than doing so from a codex, it could be that they decided to do some extra work on the SoB anyway, since they'd take more effort.

Maybe I'm blind but where does it say it's a digital codex?

Edit: NVM I see way up on the top left corner.

 Necrosis wrote:
Maybe I'm blind but where does it say it's a digital codex?

It does say "Avaliable on the iBookstore" in the top left of BrookM's picture.

Edit: NVM, you saw so for yourself.

Does anyone have a link cause I can't find it.

Drakka77 wrote:
Does anyone have a link cause I can't find it.

Link to what? It hasn't even been announced yet. These are pics from the white dwarf that comes out tomorrow.

Troike wrote:What website? They've always had a section on the GW website.

Nah, they were "Witch Hunters" for quite a while.

Troike wrote:I have to say, I've never liked this piece of fluff. It seems like it's needlessly limiting the creativity in players in a hobby where creativity plays a big role. I've seen some very nice paintjobs deviate massively from the "sanctioned" colours, and I don't think it's right for those players to be told that their paintjobs, that they've put effort into, are "wrong". My own Minor Order violates it, even, their primary colour being grey. Personally, I'd prefer if this particular piece of fluff were retconned, or just quitely forgotten. Major Orders can still look the same, of course, but Minor Orders should be completely unrestricted.

But uniformity is, I think, a rather important element in their fluff. It reflects their unity as a singular Sisterhood compared to the many Marine Chapters that all have different cultures, and plays on their respect for tradition and history concerning their own origins.

When you really want to use different colours for your Order, then it's probably not surprising that you wouldn't like this piece of fluff. But does this mean it is bad ("needlessly limiting"), or are you merely influenced by your personal preferences? It's no different from, say, wanting to play female Space Marines, and one could well argue with the same good reasons you have put forth.
Somewhere, there will always be a border where one will either have to ignore the material, or cave in and adjust one's ideas.

You aren't wrong.

Gav Thorpe wrote:With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy. Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 exist as tens of thousands of overlapping realities in the imaginations of games developers, writers, readers and gamers. None of those interpretations is wrong.

It's just that your interpretation is not supported/reflected by the interpretations of the people who wrote the Codex, and this is something you will have to deal with as a result of the decision that you made.
For what it's worth, Forge World obviously leans more towards your opinion.

I like these limitations for the aforementioned reasons, so if you had your wish, then suddenly I would be "wrong". There's just no way to please everyone, but I wouldn't put it against GW that not all their armies offer the same degree of customisation. As I've recently mentioned in that "fav part about IG" thread, customisation may even be just as much of a defining aspect of an army (IG) as uniformity is for others (Sisters).
And when you start with colours, where do you stop? Suddenly we're arriving at Mitchell's novels and drunk Sisters Superior - because "the Imperium is huge, they can be different" has been used to explain that as well ...

The chan link please so I can read what is out so far, please.

Drakka77 wrote:
The chan link please so I can read what is out so far, please.

We don't really have it, that I know of. I try to avoid 4chan. There is no more information on the codex than we have posted though. It is literally just a blurb in WD.

 Lynata wrote:
And when you start with colours, where do you stop? Suddenly we're arriving at Mitchell's novels and drunk Sisters Superior - because "the Imperium is huge, they can be different" has been used to explain that as well ...

Woah, hey now, I think that's a bit of a huge leap. It's their mindset and organisation that binds them together, varying colours really aren't a huge deal. And, this being 40K, it's going to be something that a lot of hobyists tinker and experiment with anyway. It seems silly to limit the SoB to three colours when pretty much every other army can be any colour they want to be.

 Lynata wrote:
When you really want to use different colours for your Order, then it's probably not surprising that you wouldn't like this piece of fluff.

I'm not just disliking it for personal reasons. Most of my post was about how it limits everybody, not just myself.

 pretre wrote:

Drakka77 wrote:
The chan link please so I can read what is out so far, please.

We don't really have it, that I know of. I try to avoid 4chan. There is no more information on the codex than we have posted though. It is literally just a blurb in WD.

So the only available info is that in the OP, or has there been rumor-monger confirmation, etc?

I see 11 pages but no update to the OP so I don't know if there's new info or not... summary would be appreciated

 RiTides wrote:
So the only available info is that in the OP, or has there been rumor-monger confirmation, etc?

I see 11 pages but no update to the OP so I don't know if there's new info or not... summary would be appreciated

There's really just the blurb from the picture. Rumor mongers have speculated but we have actual confirmation that it appears in white dwarf.

 RiTides wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Drakka77 wrote:
The chan link please so I can read what is out so far, please.

We don't really have it, that I know of. I try to avoid 4chan. There is no more information on the codex than we have posted though. It is literally just a blurb in WD.

So the only available info is that in the OP, or has there been rumor-monger confirmation, etc?

I see 11 pages but no update to the OP so I don't know if there's new info or not... summary would be appreciated

On page 10 is a new photograph of the same thing, and that is all there is really.

Troike wrote:Woah, hey now, I think that's a bit of a huge leap. It's their mindset and organisation that binds them together, varying colours really aren't a huge deal.

I'm just saying it's a visual representation of that mindset, 's all.

Troike wrote:I'm not just disliking it for personal reasons. Most of my post was about how it limits everybody, not just myself.

I know, but ... it's the same for female Space Marines. Would we argue about that? [edit] Actually, some people do - goes to show how personal preferences can affect this, though.

Don't get me wrong, I know well how you feel when something one likes a lot isn't supported or even outright contradicted in the material. FFG's decision to basically turn the Sisters into Space Magicians was a huge blow for me, so much so that it turned me off of DH and will likely keep me from buying into their 2nd edition. I can only be fortunate that SO FAR Games Workshop did not disappoint me in a similar manner.
You went with your preferred colour in spite of the material, so obviously it's something you feel strong enough about to accept inconsistency to Codex fluff (which I think you value highly).

 Troike wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I'd rather have them all in power heels

Oh, hey there, Blanche. I didn't know that you were a moderator here.

You should be so blessed, pah!


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DrunkPhilisoph wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
"Adeptus" lol.

You mean because you really want the codex to be called "Adeptae Sorroritatum"? Or maybe "Addeptarum Sororitas"?

Yes that is exactly what I mean.

Yeah, the OP should be updated with this:

 Lynata wrote:
I know, but ... it's the same for female Space Marines. Would we argue about that?

No, because that's a major contradiction of their established background. Different coloured Sisters, on the other hand, hardly seem like such a major transgression.

It just seems like such a... petty thing to do, limiting their colours. Most hobbyists like to customise paintschemes, and with any most other armies (Wolves and Gks aside, but they have no successors), the fluff allows for it. But for us? Suddenly, there's fluff saying that you can only use three colours, or you're wrong. Sounds rather unfair.

 Lynata wrote:
You went with your preferred colour in spite of the material, so obviously it's something you feel strong enough about to accept inconsistency to Codex fluff

I didn't know about it at the time. I just fiddled with the Soulstorm painter until I got a colourscheme that I liked the look of.

 Lynata wrote:
Codex fluff (which I think you value highly).

I do. Don't get me wrong, I find that codexes generally are the best at portraying them. But that doesn't mean that I have to like everything in the codexes. You yourself don't like Ward's Praxedes retcon.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, the OP should be updated with this:

Done, now RTides can rest easy.

 Manchu wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, the OP should be updated with this:

Done, now RTides can rest easy.

Awww, thanks!

Drakka77 wrote:
The chan link please so I can read what is out so far, please.

Well there is the magic of Google that you can use to help you there.

But when it comes to Sisters, that one image is it.

Also anything on 4chan doesn't usually stay there long.

 Troike wrote:
Most hobbyists like to customise paintschemes, and with any other army, the fluff allows for it. But for us? Suddenly, there's fluff saying that you can only use three colours, or you're wrong. Sounds rather unfair.

There's soft fluff and hard fluff, I guess. Somebody might really want to paint their Ultramarines red and the Blood Angels blue. As for the SoB, the comments Lynata mentions are ambiguous. What does "minor modifications" mean? I've argued in the past that the Blue Robe scheme can reasonably fit within the ambit of "minor modifications." But that doesn't get you to painting your Sisters hot pink and orange ... but at that point, I think we're in red Ultramarines territory.

All of this could be settled with a new dex of course. Maybe this digital one will include some fluff?

I think the Order of Our Martyred Lady gives us a loophole to abuse for alternate colors: significance to the order due to a historical event in their past. It's the only reason Martyred Lady has red robes after all.

 Manchu wrote:
Maybe this digital one will include some fluff?

Someone's been taking their crazy pills.