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 ClockworkZion wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Hmmm....
Stand alone SOB codex may be code for stand alone SOB porn?

No. Now go stand in thy corner with the Cone of Shame upon ye head!

Yes sir

How can a boring copy paste digital release of a boring WD Codex (that basically just halved the Codex' choices) bring about a discussion of wishlisted anime miniatures for wishlisted new Codex rules?

 Kroothawk wrote:
How can a boring copy paste digital release of a boring WD Codex (that basically just halved the Codex' choices) bring about a discussion of wishlisted anime miniatures for wishlisted new Codex rules?

Did you forget which site you're reading posts on?

 Kroothawk wrote:
How can a boring copy paste digital release of a boring WD Codex (that basically just halved the Codex' choices) bring about a discussion of wishlisted anime miniatures for wishlisted new Codex rules?

Internet.

More on topic: I really wish GW would put a release date on this so I would have to check iTunes everyday in anticipation.

Personally i'll probably get the codex even if it is just a WD rework like i expect it to be. I don't have the WD codex so ...

But i fear like many that this will push an actual sister release with new models even further back in the line. (But that gives me reason to move forward with my own custom sculpted sisters project.)

And regarding the design of the models and the whole army style - i rather like them. And while i have no problem with the metal models i don't like them from a converter standpoint. Those are nearly impossiblem to properly repose and i like to make each of my models something special.

Kroothawk wrote:How can a boring copy paste digital release of a boring WD Codex (that basically just halved the Codex' choices) bring about a discussion of wishlisted anime miniatures for wishlisted new Codex rules?

We're desperate.

ClockworkZion wrote:

Lynata wrote:

MWHistorian wrote:Please no anime in my SOB army. I like anime, heck, I live in Japan, but SOB is something completely aesthetically different.

Unless it's Motoko?

No thanks. That just leads to drug use, orgies, boobs and fans making even MORE porn.
Let's stick to the current design thanks.

As if that didn't have the same effect...

 btldoomhammer wrote:
But i fear like many that this will push an actual sister release with new models even further back in the line. (But that gives me reason to move forward with my own custom sculpted sisters project.)

See, this is a thing I don't get. There is no sign of the Sisters shifting anywhere and we've got panic about them being moved back? If we were tracking them on the release schedule (instead of my speculation for instance) then I'd understand, but we don't even know when GW wants to release them anyways so I don't know how we can worry about them moving "back". Back from what? Potentially never?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
See, this is a thing I don't get. There is no sign of the Sisters shifting anywhere and we've got panic about them being moved back? If we were tracking them on the release schedule (instead of my speculation for instance) then I'd understand, but we don't even know when GW wants to release them anyways so I don't know how we can worry about them moving "back". Back from what? Potentially never?

Well the way i meant it is more in a way of GW thinking: "Well we gave them a codex to get the sisters out of the way and don't need to think about a potential release in the near future". But you are also right in your statement. If something doesn't have an already set release date there is nothing to be pushed back.


Everything we talk about here is guesswork. The only true fact is that there will be a digital codex. We can't even be sure if there actually will be further SoB codices or not. But what i read into GW releasing a digital codex is that they haven't forgotten about the sisters but won't do another update in the near future. Pushing money into developing two codices for the same army in a short time is unrealistic. And with the way GW has published models recently i don't expect a full plastic sister release not accompanied with a codex. But like i said this is all guesswork and GW already did the fliers outside of the codex release schedule. We just have to wait and see.

 btldoomhammer wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
See, this is a thing I don't get. There is no sign of the Sisters shifting anywhere and we've got panic about them being moved back? If we were tracking them on the release schedule (instead of my speculation for instance) then I'd understand, but we don't even know when GW wants to release them anyways so I don't know how we can worry about them moving "back". Back from what? Potentially never?

Well the way i meant it is more in a way of GW thinking: "Well we gave them a codex to get the sisters out of the way and don't need to think about a potential release in the near future". But you are also right in your statement. If something doesn't have an already set release date there is nothing to be pushed back.

Everything we talk about here is guesswork. The only true fact is that there will be a digital codex. We can't even be sure if there actually will be further SoB codices or not. But what i read into GW releasing a digital codex is that they haven't forgotten about the sisters but won't do another update in the near future. Pushing money into developing two codices for the same army in a short time is unrealistic. And with the way GW has published models recently i don't expect a full plastic sister release not accompanied with a codex. But like i said this is all guesswork and GW already did the fliers outside of the codex release schedule. We just have to wait and see.

I'm betting Sisters have had a set date before even this digital release was done honestly. I see this as being basically the same as what GW was doing in the past with new kits and updated rules in the WD before releases: they're trying to drum up interest in the army and say "don't worry, we haven't forgotten about them" to the players.

But then again I never agree with the assessment that just because GW does something that it means the army is obviously going to get screwed over.


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Honestly this is GW we're talking about and I don't know of anything they do that doesn't have some kind of plan behind it. This isn't a company that does things haphazardly or just throws things against the wall (okay, they do that inside codexes, but the point is more about the general business plans here).

If GW is putting the focus on Sisters again and taking the time to tweak and update the rules, even a little then I'm betting that they have a plan for the army in mind and what they're going to try and do with them.

Especially with things like the plastic kits being viable now, and Kelly saying he's got ideas for the army (though I'm wondering if those ideas are just from that feedback letter I sent regarding stuff we currently have...) I don't see GW pushing the army anywhere but prepping for a release and perhaps even using this digital release (and the possible paper release) to gauge what their production goals for models, codexes and so on should be.

It's been years since they've had reliable sales data for the army and they are in desperate need of some if they're going to do anything with it in the future while avoiding the mistakes that occurred with Tau and Eldar (namely not having enough ready for the release)

 ClockworkZion wrote:

But then again I never agree with the assessment that just because GW does something that it means the army is obviously going to get screwed over.

I agree. I am looking forward positively for what GW will come up with in regard of sisters - whenever this will happen. And even if GW should decide to drops them this just gives me the possibility to create my own version of the sisters played with another codex or even a community created fandex.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I really wish GW would put a release date on this so I would have to check iTunes everyday in anticipation.

From their Facebook page: "We haven't announced the release dates for these yet, but I can say that Sisters of Battle and Sentinels of Terra will be released in October, and Blood Angels will be in November" (which isn't much help...)

beast_gts wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I really wish GW would put a release date on this so I would have to check iTunes everyday in anticipation.

From their Facebook page: "We haven't announced the release dates for these yet, but I can say that Sisters of Battle and Sentinels of Terra will be released in October, and Blood Angels will be in November" (which isn't much help...)

Exactly, as today is October. Flippin' hell GW, quit teasing us!

Come on guys, don't you know that vengeance is not the only dish best served cold ? Disappointment is too ! If we don't have time to fantasize about this new release, if we don't get to feverishly check if it's available, how are we going to get sufficiently disappointed when it finally turns out ?

beast_gts wrote:
From their Facebook page: "We haven't announced the release dates for these yet, but I can say that Sisters of Battle and Sentinels of Terra will be released in October, and Blood Angels will be in November" (which isn't much help...)

Well that's standard GW practice, isn't it? Announce everything at the lastest possible moment, to maximise impulse buys?

Doesn't matter, anyway. I'm poised to buy it whenever it comes out. I just hope that it comes out soon.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 btldoomhammer wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
See, this is a thing I don't get. There is no sign of the Sisters shifting anywhere and we've got panic about them being moved back? If we were tracking them on the release schedule (instead of my speculation for instance) then I'd understand, but we don't even know when GW wants to release them anyways so I don't know how we can worry about them moving "back". Back from what? Potentially never?

Well the way i meant it is more in a way of GW thinking: "Well we gave them a codex to get the sisters out of the way and don't need to think about a potential release in the near future". But you are also right in your statement. If something doesn't have an already set release date there is nothing to be pushed back.

Everything we talk about here is guesswork. The only true fact is that there will be a digital codex. We can't even be sure if there actually will be further SoB codices or not. But what i read into GW releasing a digital codex is that they haven't forgotten about the sisters but won't do another update in the near future. Pushing money into developing two codices for the same army in a short time is unrealistic. And with the way GW has published models recently i don't expect a full plastic sister release not accompanied with a codex. But like i said this is all guesswork and GW already did the fliers outside of the codex release schedule. We just have to wait and see.

I'm betting Sisters have had a set date before even this digital release was done honestly. I see this as being basically the same as what GW was doing in the past with new kits and updated rules in the WD before releases: they're trying to drum up interest in the army and say "don't worry, we haven't forgotten about them" to the players.

But then again I never agree with the assessment that just because GW does something that it means the army is obviously going to get screwed over.


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Honestly this is GW we're talking about and I don't know of anything they do that doesn't have some kind of plan behind it. This isn't a company that does things haphazardly or just throws things against the wall (okay, they do that inside codexes, but the point is more about the general business plans here).

If GW is putting the focus on Sisters again and taking the time to tweak and update the rules, even a little then I'm betting that they have a plan for the army in mind and what they're going to try and do with them.

Especially with things like the plastic kits being viable now, and Kelly saying he's got ideas for the army (though I'm wondering if those ideas are just from that feedback letter I sent regarding stuff we currently have...) I don't see GW pushing the army anywhere but prepping for a release and perhaps even using this digital release (and the possible paper release) to gauge what their production goals for models, codexes and so on should be.

It's been years since they've had reliable sales data for the army and they are in desperate need of some if they're going to do anything with it in the future while avoiding the mistakes that occurred with Tau and Eldar (namely not having enough ready for the release)

Exalted. I think that the pessimism surrounding the SoB really can get unreasonable sometimes, it's good to realise that things don't always point towards the worst outcome, there's plenty of evidence that we'll get a good outcome.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Come on guys, don't you know that vengeance is not the only dish best served cold ? Disappointment is too ! If we don't have time to fantasize about this new release, if we don't get to feverishly check if it's available, how are we going to get sufficiently disappointed when it finally turns out ?

I was fine with the WD dex (and actually win with with it more than I did with C:WH honestly) so this update isn't likely to dissapoint, especially if BSS go down to 10ppm. Heck, I'd even settle for 11ppm if it meant we had cheaper heavy flamers and eviscerators (which should be available to every unit!).

Basically as long at this doesn't make my iPad burst into flames upon download I'll be happy.

And even if it does, then I'll know it's a proper Sisters update because it was burning a non-Mechanicus approved machine (tech heresy!).


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 Troike wrote:
Exalted. I think that the pessimism surrounding the SoB really can get unreasonable sometimes, it's good to realise that things don't always point towards the worst outcome, there's plenty of evidence that we'll get a good outcome.

Thank you!

Yeah, I've been making a ruckus for a while whenever anyone tries to claim that the only hope for the Sisters is something negative.

Additionally I'm usually pretty quick to cut the heart out of arguments that claim they need to get rolled into an Inquisition book or dropped.

 Troike wrote:
Well that's standard GW practice, isn't it? Announce everything at the lastest possible moment, to maximise impulse buys?

Doesn't matter, anyway. I'm poised to buy it whenever it comes out. I just hope that it comes out soon.

It's digital. There is no possibility of going out of stock, so no reason to hurry or worry. Everyone who wants to buy it will get to buy it.

ClockworkZion wrote:I was fine with the WD dex (and actually win with with it more than I did with C:WH honestly) so this update isn't likely to dissapoint, especially if BSS go down to 10ppm. Heck, I'd even settle for 11ppm if it meant we had cheaper heavy flamers and eviscerators (which should be available to every unit!).

What about if :
- Celestine goes to 200 points while loosing Miraculous Intervention at the same time
- The price of the basic sisters increase to 13
The worse is always possible… and sometime, even plausible .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
It's digital. There is no possibility of going out of stock, so no reason to hurry or worry. Everyone who wants to buy it will get to buy it.

I know that, I'm just very eager to get ahold of it. Very interested to see what they've done with not only the rules, but the background and the pictures too.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

What about if :
- Celestine goes to 200 points while loosing Miraculous Intervention at the same time
- The price of the basic sisters increase to 13
The worse is always possible… and sometime, even plausible .

Then Celestine would go back on my shelf and my feelings wouldn't even be hurt by it. Especially if the Canoness got some buffs.

And is Sisters go up to the price of CSM then we're looking at either Faith becoming a REALLY powerful or some other new thing that makes the army even more awesome and dangerous.

And they'd still be cheaper with a Rhino than they were in 3rd.

And for the record there is a difference between "plausible" and "I pulled this out of my butt so it must be a possibility".

If GW really has plans to release this army anytime in the future they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot if they nerfed it. On the other hand if they make it into a brutal pain train with no brakes then everyone will be excited for the new book and GW will make sales.

Now which seems more likely now?

ClockworkZion wrote:Then Celestine would go back on my shelf and my feelings wouldn't even be hurt by it.

Come on, this awesome model that everyone converted to add some magnificent wings (mine use old Louen Leoncoeur's hypogriff's wing, and same model's lance. Which has some fleur-de-lys as the spearpoint. Awesome ) taking the dust, wouldn't that be sad ?

ClockworkZion wrote:And is Sisters go up to the price of CSM then we're looking at either Faith becoming a REALLY powerful or some other new thing that makes the army even more awesome and dangerous.

Or just us paying more for some less powerful thing. If you think that's impossible, compare our good old priest with the inquisitors from grey knight codex.

But why would they knowingly nerf the codex like that? Cruddace actually said that they tried to improve faith so that it would scale. Why attempt to fix one issue while further breaking another?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Then Celestine would go back on my shelf and my feelings wouldn't even be hurt by it.

Come on, this awesome model that everyone converted to add some magnificent wings (mine use old Louen Leoncoeur's hypogriff's wing, and same model's lance. Which has some fleur-de-lys as the spearpoint. Awesome ) taking the dust, wouldn't that be sad ?

Not really as I tire of feeling that I need her for my army it to be effective. Love the model, but not that much. I could always do other things with her anyways.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:And is Sisters go up to the price of CSM then we're looking at either Faith becoming a REALLY powerful or some other new thing that makes the army even more awesome and dangerous.

Or just us paying more for some less powerful thing. If you think that's impossible, compare our good old priest with the inquisitors from grey knight codex.

Has GW ever taken an army that's really REALLY terrible and made it even MORE terrible? Honestly, while not impossible, that's a pretty hard thing to do in any medium (...well, besides MMORPG developers developing MMORPGs, apparently. ZING!)

Hey now, they're not "really terrible", they just have some deep-seated issues. Non-scaling faith, very few options and pricing being some of the most prominent ones.

They can certainly hold their own, they just have a few notable issues.

Agreed - I have some good close games and victories with SOB

Troike wrote:But why would they knowingly nerf the codex like that?

GW works in mysterious ways. Very very mysterious.

ClockworkZion wrote:Inquisitors =/= Confessors.

Not confessors. Confessors are ok. I was thinking about the preacher. I mean, just compare them to the Inquisitor : less WS, BS, I, HP, A, Ld, wargear…
A bonus that can be useful in only one unit, but will cost you Fleet, versus the huge brokenness of hallucinogen grenades.

ClockworkZion wrote:That said, I highly doubt GW would shoot themselves in the foot by making the army worse.

Well, remember when the Canoness was S5 T5 ? (Ok, stupid example, and I wasn't even playing back then. But still. S5 T5 canoness !!!)

Troike wrote:Exalted. I think that the pessimism surrounding the SoB really can get unreasonable sometimes, it's good to realise that things don't always point towards the worst outcome, there's plenty of evidence that we'll get a good outcome.

Pessimism? I think the majority of players are rather optimistic, given the history of how the army was supported by the company. It's just some very few chronically Negative Nancies that see bad things everywhere, or the occasional troll who stumbles into a thread and yells "lol squatted".

There is such a thing as being too optimistic, though. And that's a dangerous road. Moderation is key to calmness.

ClockworkZion wrote:Honestly this is GW we're talking about and I don't know of anything they do that doesn't have some kind of plan behind it.

Are you sure? Do you have any theories what their plans were for excluding SoB from the Crusade of Fire or the new Apoc book, just after having released a new "Codex" and several WD articles? Or why SoB minis are twice the price of metal IG? I'd be curious.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Troike wrote:But why would they knowingly nerf the codex like that?

GW works in mysterious ways. Very very mysterious.

So do fan theories.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:Inquisitors =/= Confessors.

Not confessors. Confessors are ok. I was thinking about the preacher. I mean, just compare them to the Inquisitor : less WS, BS, I, HP, A, Ld, wargear…
A bonus that can be useful in only one unit, but will cost you Fleet, versus the huge brokenness of hallucinogen grenades.

You're still way off. We had Preachers in the last codex as well. They're less bad now. Also Hallucinogen Grenades are a new thing and thus aren't really that applicable.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:That said, I highly doubt GW would shoot themselves in the foot by making the army worse.

Well, remember when the Canoness was S5 T5 ? (Ok, stupid example, and I wasn't even playing back then. But still. S5 T5 canoness !!!)

Okay, so it's officially October, so we're gonna have the updated dex in the next 30 days.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
Okay, so it's officially October, so we're gonna have the updated dex in the next 30 days.

D

Did they ever confirm 2013?

 pretre wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
Okay, so it's officially October, so we're gonna have the updated dex in the next 30 days.

D

Did they ever confirm 2013?

...Not cool, man.

Hilarious, but not cool .