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 pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

I just said I hadn't read the second two. :(

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

I'm liking a lot of these changes.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.

Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.


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 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Spoilers, sweetie!

How old is that book again? People regularly reference the second one when the books come up, how is that "spoilers"?

Spoiled anyways.

I just said I hadn't read the second two. :(

Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

I will probably have to at this point. Although I did add it to my trade wants.

I'm looking forward to this book. I do have a ton of actual sisters models I'm going to be offloading (for reasonable prices) as I have some ideas for a counts-as sisters force I want to build.

Either way, should be fun and it'll be good for their book to get at least a mild update.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Black Library prints the book on demand (that's where I got mine) so why haven't you yet!?

I will probably have to at this point. Although I did add it to my trade wants.

If you did then you wouldn't have to worry about spoilers from a book a decade old!

Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

So you don't forget? To show GW you are excited for it? Just because? So you've already spent the money and don't forget to save it for later?

ClockworkZion wrote:

Dr Mathias wrote:Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.
Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.

13th Black Crusade
Lion El'Jonson, freshly released from the depths of The Rock, strides onto the battlefield, followed by a Dark Angels honour guard intent on confronting Abbadon.
Only to find him lying at the feet of a wrinkled old hag standing above the lifeless remains, clutching a power mace.

Not like that armless failure could put up much of a fight.

 Lynata wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

Dr Mathias wrote:Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me.

That's some old fluff IIRC, and fairly "current" in terms of the 40k plot.
Besides, with how the Warp works she'll likely show up to kick heretic butt when the plot demands it.

13th Black Crusade
Lion El'Jonson, freshly released from the depths of The Rock, strides onto the battlefield, followed by a Dark Angels honour guard intent on confronting Abbadon.
Only to find him lying at the feet of a wrinkled old hag standing above the lifeless remains, clutching a power mace.

No, they find a greasy smear where his body was.

pretre wrote:No, the codex has a big change (5 girl troops).

Seems like what I would call an adjustment. I mean, the profile haven't changed the slightest bit, neither did the wargear, and the special rules… well, they have the same names. Down to the Act of Faith still being called Light of the Emperor.
But I hope I'm wrong.
Now that I took the bet, either way, I win .

ClockworkZion wrote:As might extra abilities on the VSS over +1A, +1Ld.

Well, the special rules listed just have the exact same name as the previous ones. I don't expect any extra ability except the +1 to the Act of Faith.

Dr Mathias wrote:Maybe a bit off topic, but why would I want to pre-order a digital release? Is is less expensive as a pre-order or something? Seems odd to pre-order an item which has no production limit.

Because impulse buy ! That way you won't get to wait to see if the rules are good before buying it !

A bonus to the AoF tests is what I mainly meant as an extra ability.

I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book:


I will be the last to complain about a great Sororitas Codex, but I really don't expect it.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book

As far as the Sororitas are concerned (no Dolan Chirosius, no general Ecclesiarchy, just Sororitas), I think the 6-pages Liber Sororitas (from WD 293 UK) contains more and better background than the 2nd edition Codex, and likely the 40k RPG book .
The Abbess, the non-Militant Ordo (including the very rarely mentioned Sabine), the Matriarchs of the Sisterhood (i.e. the six Sisters that went to have a chat with the Emperor), and a very slight taste of a difference between the major Ordos.
The 2nd edition dex was very good for general Ecclesiarchy though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background that the 2nd edition Codex and this 144 pages (that is real DINA4 pages, not flimsy digital pages) 40k RPG book:


I will be the last to complain about a great Sororitas Codex, but I really don't expect it.

Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Yeah. I'd rather it NOT be like that one.

So then, it seems that we more or less agree that the Battle Sister squad is improved, on the whole? A 5 woman minimum certainly opens up interesting possibilities, I'm sure of that.

I might get rebuked for being too optimistic, here, but if that's just our basic troops, then I'm very eager to see what's been done with the rest of our units.

 pretre wrote:
I wonder if this means we get rules for good ol' ES?

I doubt it, seems like something they'd make a model for. I guess she might get a fluff mention? Which is still pretty awesome, IMO.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Fluffwise I'd be really happy if the Sororitas' lack of a supreme leader is addressed, the last one was 'lost' in space and they're apparently not allowed to select a new leader until the fate of the former is discovered. I'm not sure why that's important to me. I'm liking a lot of these changes.

Basically, their rules on the matter are "you can't have another one until we find out what happened to the old one".

Here, this article outlines everything we know:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Abbess_of_the_Adepta_Sororitas#.UlXH9BDwpXE

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Not like that armless failure could put up much of a fight.

Indeed. He wouldn't even be able to block her swings. :-/

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not convinced that this digital release will contain more or better background

It's background that was originally meant for the WD codex, but wasn't out in due to the compact size of the WD codex. Therefore, we can expect the same sort fluff we got in the WD codex, and the fluff in the WD codex was good. They also said that "much" of the fluff was cut, so we can expect substantial additions, I'd say.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Yeah. I'd rather it NOT be like that one.

Agreed! Let's stick to the studio depiction of the Sororitas (unless it's Anias, Miriya or Stern being mentioned, which I'd be fine with).

"Can't have a new one till we find out what happened to the old one"
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?


As for rules seen so far-anyone mind telling me what the old rules for the relics were (I am only familiar with WD sisters)

And is it just me, or is 10 point simulacrum pretty much re-balances faith all by itself by the mere fact it becomes MUCH more dependable? if you got a 20-sis squad, with the leader and the simulacrum in the rear, the success of the faith is pretty much assured until they take out the entire squad.

And that's before getting into whatever change the faith system itself had. (actually, its possible the simulacrum also changed...)

 BoomWolf wrote:
"Can't have a new one till we find out what happened to the old one"
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?

We're talking about the High Lords of Terra here, they probably made that rule intentional just so if she does show back up somehow there aren't 2 of them sitting in on it. Plus without a Sororita sitting in on the council they don't have to worry about anyone being upset about all the warp dust they're doing.

 BoomWolf wrote:
As for rules seen so far-anyone mind telling me what the old rules for the relics were (I am only familiar with WD sisters)

The Litanies of Faith let the model with it auto-pass a faith test 1x per game, the Mantle let you only take 1 wound from any attack that caused instant death or multiple wounds and the Cloak gave you a 2+ armor save.

 BoomWolf wrote:
And is it just me, or is 10 point simulacrum pretty much re-balances faith all by itself by the mere fact it becomes MUCH more dependable? if you got a 20-sis squad, with the leader and the simulacrum in the rear, the success of the faith is pretty much assured until they take out the entire squad.

Only a little bit. We still need a reliable and scaling number of Faith Points.

 BoomWolf wrote:
REALLY?
In the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis?
Who on earth (in-fluff) thought THAT was a good idea?

Bad news : it's even worse for the Emperor, if he goes missing everything will be going crazy. Yes, it's happening “in the godamn grimdark future of 40k where entire SOLAR SYSTEMS go missing on a regular basis”. Seems like Terra and Ophelia don't go missing on a regular basis, for some reason.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Do you just mean that they gave Sisters' players a lot of Act of Faith-like effect, or actual psykers ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Really? The book that made all Sisters into some kind of magical space witch force?

Do you just mean that they gave Sisters' players a lot of Act of Faith-like effect, or actual psykers ?

Instant Miracle dispensaries. Most characters must permanently lose a faith point to not die. A Sister SPENDS one (which can regenerate) and she can survive ANYTHING without wounds. Apparently all Sisters are secretly Celestine.

So, short version is “They have OP Acts of Faith”. I don't know about the fluff part, but I sure want that for the rules .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, short version is “They have OP Acts of Faith”. I don't know about the fluff part, but I sure want that for the rules .

No, they have a full Miracle System. I mean, forget Acts of Faith, this stuff is all ACTUAL MIRACLES despite the Sisters not being Miraculous in most situations (outside of Living Saints and the incredibly rare real miracle).

Lynata also said something about them shooting lasers out of their eyes, IIRC.

Yeah, they quite clearly went in their own direction. I'd rather keep the all-badass feats of willpower, thanks.

Acts of Faith are not miracle ? Hum, yeah, I guess we could see it that way. Then it's just the perfect aiming of the Retributor that gives them Rending or something.
But still, the 6++ seems kind of miraculous. Especially on vehicles. It certainly isn't some kind of willpower from the vehicle's part, at the very least.

Actually, the rending could quite easily represent better shooting, granted by bouts of intense willpower.

Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

Not quite sure how to explain the vehicles, but maybe somebody else can. All I know is that the studio fluff on Acts has always, basically, said that they aren't magical.

 Troike wrote:
Actually, the rending could quite easily represent better shooting, granted by bouts of intense willpower.

Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

Not quite sure how to explain the vehicles, but maybe somebody else can. All I know is that the studio fluff on Acts has always, basically, said that they aren't magical.

The Shield of Faith is from the crew, much like Grey Knights vehicle psychic powers work. Despite whatever is going on they keep that thing moving no matter what.

 Troike wrote:
Shield of Faith can also be explained as willpower. IRL soldiers have kept on after recieving more damage than they should have been able to handle.

No, willpower would be Feel No Pain - something that lets you endure little attacks but not things that will blow your head off. Shield of Faith is the opposite - no improvement against attrition but lets you no-sell anti-tank weaponry.

Holy fething gak! I am a happy man today! This release is going to be boss. So which version can I buy to use with just my iphone, the ebook version or the ipad version? Damnit GW, just take my money already!

 Troike wrote:
Lynata also said something about them shooting lasers out of their eyes, IIRC.

Yeah, they quite clearly went in their own direction. I'd rather keep the all-badass feats of willpower, thanks.

Damn thats a bit dramatic.I have a copy of that book and its not really like that. Only the highest end faith talents are that dramatic in effect. The rest are awesome but fairly mild. They were no more magical than the Acts of Faith found in Codex Witch Hunters from which most of them took their names.

There is a talent called Miraculous Survival so that when the Sister burns fate Point to live they are Miraculously unharmed and indeed fully healed. Kind of like making a 6+invuln save and surviving a battle cannon blast. Those 'lasers' were holy light and yes it would a miracle, but that's very similar to daemonifuge where they burned. the daemon with their light. These are all things Sisters have done in the fluff but inside the game they are subject to GM discretion. The book even says so. The characters aren't supposed to be miracle dispensing machines like some people think.