Adepta Sororitas Digital Codex - October 19

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**Havik110**

Troike wrote:
Yeah, not everybody is interested in Raging Heroes. I for one believe that plastic Sisters will be around by 2015 at the latest, so RH probably won't be "the only option". Regardless, let's not act like they're going to be our only choice for plastic female soldiers just yet, still too early to tell.

Also, personally, I don't want to use third-party stuff. I want my Sisters to be actual Sisters.

they have plans to do "a Sisters type army" after their Dark elves...we shall see if GW is smart enough to get the plastics out before then...

but going by GW logic, the 5 sisters in plastic will go for 80 bucks as they are a quadrupal kit...you can make battle sisters, celestians, retributors, and dominions....

**Bull0**

Havik110 wrote:
Troike wrote:
Yeah, not everybody is interested in Raging Heroes. I for one believe that plastic Sisters will be around by 2015 at the latest, so RH probably won't be "the only option". Regardless, let's not act like they're going to be our only choice for plastic female soldiers just yet, still too early to tell.

Also, personally, I don't want to use third-party stuff. I want my Sisters to be actual Sisters.

they have plans to do "a Sisters type army" after their Dark elves...we shall see if GW is smart enough to get the plastics out before then...

but going by GW logic, the 5 sisters in plastic will go for 80 bucks as they are a quadrupal kit...you can make battle sisters, celestians, retributors, and dominions....

5 man multi-purpose kit sounds rather a lot like the grey knight box, which is £20.50 - converts to $33. Admittedly in the next round of seasonal price gouges I expect that kit to jump up to £25 minimum.

**ClockworkZion**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
So nuns in space don't fit the aesthetic of an army who's missile tank is an organ strapped to the top of a rhino?

Looks like this thread has descended into a hipster-like hate fest on Raging Heroes.

Nice ad-hominem there. So we don't like how the Raging Heroes made their Sisters more like regular nuns than "Militant Space Nuns from the Future". That's not really a "hipster hate fest", that's a discussion of aesthetics which is an important factor in "demand" (as in supply and demand, and the whole study of markets, ect. Basically I'm saying we're not the target demographic here). The aesthetics we want are different so there is no demand from us.

Next time bring logic instead of fallacy, m'kay?

**AlexHolker**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
So nuns in space don't fit the aesthetic of an army who's missile tank is an organ strapped to the top of a rhino?

No, they don't. The Sisters of Battle have enough paladin to look good, while Raging Heroes concept art has more nun. I particularly hate wimples. Hajibs can look stylish and cool, but wimples just look goofy.

**ClockworkZion**

edweird wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

Based on their other work I'm going to have to say that those won't be for me.

Fully reasonable position you have there... however the fact remains scifi space nuns with guns are not going to be in plastic for the time being and my bet is the RH ones are going to be available before GW drops a set. I already have 5k of Sisters of Battle in delicious pewter and am likely never parting with them. When plastics come out(depending on the models) I may supplement my celestians with them.

Honestly, I have no incentive to buy Raging Heroes' products over GW's, especially in a situation where neither have said product out yet.

edweird wrote:
I was one of the heralds for the RH toughest girls kickstarter, and based on our dialogue with Asharah over the last few months I think the "Sisters of Eternal Mercy" line is going to be intentionally less cheesecake and more fitting of scifi warrior nuns that we would prefer to see. But then again until we see more concepts and sculpts that is just as good as wishful thinking.

Exactly. People trying to "sell" this line are doing it far to prematurely when everything else we've seen from RH is cheesecake (no I'm not decrying cheesecake, put the torches and neckbeards away already). I've got nearly 3K in my collection (pending points cost adjustments) so I really have no incentive to get excited over a 3rd party product that isn't even out yet.

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Bull0 wrote:
Havik110 wrote:
Troike wrote:
Yeah, not everybody is interested in Raging Heroes. I for one believe that plastic Sisters will be around by 2015 at the latest, so RH probably won't be "the only option". Regardless, let's not act like they're going to be our only choice for plastic female soldiers just yet, still too early to tell.

Also, personally, I don't want to use third-party stuff. I want my Sisters to be actual Sisters.

they have plans to do "a Sisters type army" after their Dark elves...we shall see if GW is smart enough to get the plastics out before then...

but going by GW logic, the 5 sisters in plastic will go for 80 bucks as they are a quadrupal kit...you can make battle sisters, celestians, retributors, and dominions....

5 man multi-purpose kit sounds rather a lot like the grey knight box, which is £20.50 - converts to $33. Admittedly in the next round of seasonal price gouges I expect that kit to jump up to £25 minimum.

You mean like the 2013 price adjustments that never happened on the models?

GW seems to only be raising prices on things that sell so fast they have trouble keeping up with production or things that are updates. Honestly unless Sisters cost $90USD for 10 they'll be cheaper than they are now.

Heck, even at $90 they'll still be cheaper since you'll have bits left over.

**Melissia**

HisDivineShadow: Yes we get it, you hate everyone who doesn't drool over the RH style of minis.

Moving right along.

Anyone know of a copy of the codex preview that doesn't require me to download some gakky Apple program?

**Bull0**

ClockworkZion wrote:

GW seems to only be raising prices on things that sell so fast they have trouble keeping up with production or things that are updates. Honestly unless Sisters cost $90USD for 10 they'll be cheaper than they are now.

Heck, even at $90 they'll still be cheaper since you'll have bits left over.

Oh yeah, sorry, maybe I didn't make that clear enough - I'm saying when it happens, I'm sure they'll be cheaper. We have the dark elf wych plastic release to base that assumption on, they got cheaper.

**ClockworkZion**

Melissia wrote:
HisDivineShadow: Yes we get it, you hate everyone who doesn't drool over the RH style of minis.

Moving right along.

Anyone know of a copy of the codex preview that doesn't require me to download some gakky Apple program?

Yeah, I put it all up over on Talk Wargaming: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2013/10/news-codex-adepta-sororitas-preview-live.html

**Melissia**

I think that they'll be cheaper. More in line with the Space Marine miniatures at USD40 for 10 models; USD50 at most.

**ClockworkZion**

Bull0 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

GW seems to only be raising prices on things that sell so fast they have trouble keeping up with production or things that are updates. Honestly unless Sisters cost $90USD for 10 they'll be cheaper than they are now.

Heck, even at $90 they'll still be cheaper since you'll have bits left over.

Oh yeah, sorry, maybe I didn't make that clear enough - I'm saying when it happens, I'm sure they'll be cheaper. We have the dark elf wych plastic release to base that assumption on, they got cheaper.

Wait, so admits all the complaints of Wyches being $60USD/Box they're cheaper now?

How am I not surprised?

**Troike**

Havik110 wrote:
they have plans to do "a Sisters type army"

Oh, I know. Seen the drawings. Still indifferent though. As I said, not interested in third-party stuff.

Havik110 wrote:
as they are a quadrupal kit...you can make battle sisters, celestians, retributors, and dominions....

Why would they have one kit make four units? At most, it seems that the occasional kit can make two different units. Just because we're using one set of models for lots of units now doesn't mean this will continue for the plastics.

Also, I'd be kinda disappointed with that. Seems lazy.

AlexHolker wrote:
The Sisters of Battle have enough paladin to look good, while Raging Heroes concept art has more nun.

I agree. While wimples (did not know that was the name of the thing until now) do occasionally show up in SoB art, they're usually just on higher ranking Sisters. I wouldn't see regular Sisters wearing wimples at all, myself. At most, a Canoness or Palatine might wear one. And as I said earlier, I much prefer the space sallet over some cloth.

**Melissia**

I like the Sabbat pattern helm far too much to put up with wimples, even on higher-ranking sororitas.

**pretre**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Wait, so admits all the complaints of Wyches being $60USD/Box they're cheaper now?

How am I not surprised?

Yeah, they were $66 on the US site for 10.

More info on BA:

via Sarah from Games Workshop: Digital Editions
Regarding a Blood Angels codex release
I can't give an exact date at the moment, but Blood Angels will be out later this month in iBooks, epub and mobi formats.

Updated with More Information
Games Workshop: Digital Editions
The Blood Angels book will only include Errata changes and things like hull points and unit types from the new edition. It won't have any new items, as that would make the print book out-of-date before its time. Sisters of battle don't have book at all the the moment, so we have a good deal more freedom to put cool new stuff in the codex.

- Eddie

**ClockworkZion**

I always thought they were called "habits" until I looked it up just now and saw that it's basically a fancy name for a kind of "uniform" worn by certain religious groups (simple robes, ect).

I'm not against the Wimple, I just imagine it'd make wearing a helmet even harder.

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pretre wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Wait, so admits all the complaints of Wyches being $60USD/Box they're cheaper now?

How am I not surprised?

Yeah, they were $66 on the US site for 10.

So they increased quality, bit count and can be made into an alternate unit instead AND went down in price?

This bodes well for Sisters then.

Also expect complaints about how much plastic Sisters cost upon the eventual release.

**pretre**

Oh, of course. GW could give out free puppies and BJs and people would still complain.

**Bull0**

ClockworkZion wrote:

Wait, so admits all the complaints of Wyches being $60USD/Box they're cheaper now?

How am I not surprised?

Pretty sure the old metal wyches must've been £20 for 5, and the new box is £35 for 10. Right?
*edit* NVM, you guys have it covered.

**Melissia**

Call me overly optimistic (it'll be funny), but I still say plastic Sisters will be priced along the lines (if perhaps maybe ten dollars higher) of Space Marines due to GW's mentality. 40-50 USD for a squad of ten with bitz and etc.

**ClockworkZion**

Bull0 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

Wait, so admits all the complaints of Wyches being $60USD/Box they're cheaper now?

How am I not surprised?

Pretty sure the old metal wyches must've been £20 for 5, and the new box is £35 for 10. Right?
*edit* NVM, you guys have it covered.

EDIT: There was a bad sentence here, so let me clarify:

I was not aware of the price change, but with the amount of bitching about "how expensive they are" I'm guessing a lot of people aren't. I just choose to not bitch about prices and instead budget to buy things or look at different army list options.

Seriously internet, learn to spend more than 30 seconds on research next time!

**Bull0**

Melissia wrote:
Call me overly optimistic (it'll be funny), but I still say plastic Sisters will be priced along the lines (if perhaps maybe ten dollars higher) of Space Marines due to GW's mentality. 40-50 USD for a squad of ten with bitz and etc.

Maybe, yeah. Look at the Dark Eldar relaunch; those suckers were priced to move

**Medium of Death**

This is a digital only supplement then?

I'd really like to know how far off a new range of models is. Certainly looking at the Dark Eldar, Dark Elves & and other releases seems to suggest that they've ironed out whatever "robe issue" was stopping them before.

**ClockworkZion**

Medium of Death wrote:
This is a digital only supplement then?

Yes.

Medium of Death wrote:
I'd really like to know how far off a new range of models is. Certainly looking at the Dark Eldar, Dark Elves & and other releases seems to suggest that they've ironed out whatever "robe issue" was stopping them before.

A year or so is my guess.

**Troike**

Medium of Death wrote:
This is a digital only supplement then?

Codex, not a supplement. But yes, for the moment. Though Cruddace did say that it would "probably" get a hardback release if it sold well. Which I'm thinking it will.

Medium of Death wrote:
I'd really like to know how far off a new range of models is.

Earliest estimate is late 2014. To quote an previous post ITT:

ClockworkZion wrote:
Before anyone lynches me for this, this is pure conjecture. I can't prove any of this, I'm just working out things logically.

We know a couple of things:

1. Everything in the front half of 2104 is essentially booked.
2. After June 2014 we'll have the following books remaining: Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Sisters, Necrons, Grey Knights. Now assuming 40k will continue to get an update every other month that means 3 more 40k books in 2014 and then 3 in 2015.

So what we know is that Marine armies are GW's "sure thing". This means they'll be using them to likely prop up the codexes they are less sure about.

Additionally the best time to launch a book you considering to be an exceptionally weak seller or are just not sure about would be right after the fiscal year starts, which for GW is June. This works out well because it also puts the weak seller before Christmas which means any sales you don't recoup are still covered by the holiday rush. So they may lose a little money but in the end they will still come out strong on their Investors reports which is a big deal for a company that is trying to maintain slow and steady growth.

So the best time to release Sisters is honestly late 2014 assuming their ready then. I also expect at least one of the Marine books about that time as well to help "prop up" sales too.

So yeah, if not then, sometime in 2015 I guess.

Medium of Death wrote:
Certainly looking at the Dark Eldar, Dark Elves & and other releases seems to suggest that they've ironed out whatever "robe issue" was stopping them before.

And the fact that devs outright said that they're able to make them now, at Enter the Citadel.

**Brother Weasel**

pretre wrote:
Oh, of course. GW could give out free puppies and BJs and people would still complain.

But I wanted different puppy! Something that is smaller and fluffier, more cat like!

**Bonde**

Since all the Inquisitors got changed to Grey Space Marines with Friends, Sisters have become a lot more interesting and unique when compared to the rest of the forces of the Imperium.

I would love to have a small Sisters force as allies for my IG at some point, they are the only other interesting fighting force fighting for the Imperium other than the Imperial Guard and I honestly think that the current miniatures are beautiful, just a tad bit expensive, but eBay should be able to help with that.

I really do not care for the Raging Heroes miniatures, they are pretty much the embodiment of everything I dislike about miniatures. They look silly, and nowhere near warriors that could hold their own in combat, they rather look like, as someone have stated already, lingerie models playing soldiers on a photo shoot.
What I like about the Sisters miniatures, is that they fit the grimdark and gothic setting of 40K so well, and I especially like the Sisters with helmets.

**Melissia**

Sisters have always been more interesting and unique

**godswildcard**

Troike wrote:

Why would they have one kit make four units? At most, it seems that the occasional kit can make two different units. Just because we're using one set of models for lots of units now doesn't mean this will continue for the plastics.

Also, I'd be kinda disappointed with that. Seems lazy.

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The GK box can make 4 different units: Purifiers, Strike Squad, Interceptors and Purgation Squad, so there is precedence for this.

**Stormfather**

I've never bought a GW ebook before. I have no interest in an interactive book, so iBook is right out. Ideally, I'm going to print this and spiral bind it, since I don't want to have to take my iPad or laptop with me every time I play 40k. So, the alternative seems to be mobi- can anyone explain to me what the heck is a mobi, and is it possible to convert it to PDF (ideally for free...) so I can read it and print it conveniently?

**ClockworkZion**

Mobi is for mobile devices aka smart phones. You want the epub version as that's the one that you can open on your PC.

**Dr Mathias**

Just think how good some of you would be if you painted as much as you post

I'm happy with the fact we have so many choices from so many manufacturers. I'm happy we Sororitas players are getting attention.

Are people upset that a product largely unrelated to this thread (and doesn't yet exist) isn't what their royal highness wants, precisely?

I don't understand the vitriol.

Can we agree?:

1. A new codex is coming out, how that affects existing armies and what new players might purchase is up in the air
2. Sororitas are expensive, relative to other GW armies

**Medium of Death**

I'd hope they do arco-flagellant plastics. It would also be good to see Penitent engines made smaller, more Centurion sized.

*Slowly devolving into wishlisting...*