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Simulacrum allows 2 AOF for one unit. One per phase. If you lose the Simulacrum from casualties, no more AOF for the rest of the battle.

2 AoF per game with PE being the main one for troops unit is pretty nice, it front loads all of the extra dakka fro m faith into the first couple of turns.

So units with AoF only have it once per game or twice with the Simulacrum. How are faith points generated or are they gone?

Dominions ignore cover AoF is well tailored for melta shots to vehicles with a jink.

Seraphin hand flamers dropping from 20 to 10 and the AoF being shred is pretty fierce. The unit is still fragile but what is it 8 s3 flamers on a squad of 5 for 115?

3+FNP on an act of faith seems better than striking after being killed. Repentia seem like a very tricky unit to use, but have gone down in price.

Retributors can go on the shelf for a few years until sisters get their 8th edition codex. 10 point decrease in the av13 exorcist in a meta that has a lot of s7 dakka. Triple exorcists will be as common in a sisters list as triple annihilation barges are with necrons.

So people will dust off their exorcists from 3e.

 Melissia wrote:
So people will dust off their exorcists from 3e.

You're kind of out of touch. No one ever put their exorcists on the shelf.

@schadenfreude: there are no faith points anymore.


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Exorcists are S8, not S7, btw.

I know this is a dumb question but this thread is huge. How do I buy this digitally that's NOT on itunes?

blacklibrary.com

That's how I got it.


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http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex

Sacred Banner of the Order Militant is pretty sick. 1 per army in command squad, All within 12" +1 Attack, re-roll Morale, Fear and Pinning tests.

40 points though.

Feth it, I told myself I wouldn't come here until I'd read the thing fully (and I've averted my eyes from all of your spoiler-laden posts), but I just have to highlight something- our fluff numbers have been retconned up! Minor Orders can now be up to a thousand strong! Very, very pleasantly surprised to see this. The relatively low numbers of Sisters in the fluff never quite made sense to me, so this was very positive to see.

Right, back to reading.

Thanks a ton pretre!

Priests look like a mistake, they're a little too good for 25pts. That said, it looks like War Hymns is rolled against Ld7 so it's not going to be a very reliable act.

As has already been noticed, HB Retributors are no longer a worthwhile choice (in any configuration) which is a real bummer.

Wow. I hope you guys are pulling my leg. Sisters got me back into 40k, and these rules might get me out of it again. Why didn't GW just Squat the girls and kill them swiftly instead of the slow, painful death?

AoF was one of the only thing that made SoB viable as an army. So now only once per game for Rending, and ONLY if you roll 6s? That really stinks!! I may not even buy this now.

Amerikon wrote:
Priests look like a mistake, they're a little too good for 25pts. That said, it looks like War Hymns is rolled against Ld7 so it's not going to be a very reliable act.

Litanies of Faith, 15 points, autopass all faith checks and war hymns.



Damn, one per army.


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Uriah gets War Hymns though and is stupid good now.

Wwbushidow wrote:
Wow. I hope you guys are pulling my leg. Sisters got me back into 40k, and these rules might get me out of it again. Why didn't GW just Squat the girls and kill them swiftly instead of the slow, painful death?

AoF was one of the only thing that made SoB viable as an army. So now only once per game for Rending, and ONLY if you roll 6s? That really stinks!! I may not even buy this now.

You're judging a ruleset that hasn't seen one game outside of GW headquarters how can you really be 100% sure that this ruleset is that bad?

God this thing is annoying to use. I need a better e-book viewer.

Trying to figure out if the Canoness is viable now. The "re-roll armor saves" that the Cloak of St Aspira grants, I'm guessing doesn't apply to the Rosarius, because that would be pretty strong.

Her act is pretty weak given that cheap priests allow for "Hatred spam" which is also disappointing given that you couldn't have some cool synergy with a Canoness + Priest + Celestian unit.

My gut says that the Canoness is an "ok" second HQ choice but Celestine is still a stronger choice if you're only taking one. We'll have to be a lot more careful with Celestine as well.

 pretre wrote:
God this thing is annoying to use. I need a better e-book viewer.

Well, iPad users are still waiting we their codex.

Amerikon wrote:
Trying to figure out if the Canoness is viable now. The "re-roll armor saves" that the Cloak of St Aspira grants, I'm guessing doesn't apply to the Rosarius, because that would be pretty strong.

It says Shield of Faith invuls only, but normal armor

Her act is pretty weak given that cheap priests allow for "Hatred spam" which is also disappointing given that you couldn't have some cool synergy with a Canoness + Priest + Celestian unit.

My gut says that the Canoness is an "ok" second HQ choice but Celestine is still a stronger choice if you're only taking one. We'll have to be a lot more careful with Celestine as well.

Yep. Seraphim bodyguard is probably required now.


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Jacobus is just badass. Holy crap.

Celestine's Warlord Trait is interesting. In an army with a lot of Priests, she makes a 12" bubble of Ld10 for War Hymns. Maybe Celestine 3.0 is no longer an in-your-face harassment unit and more of a support/counter-charge unit?

My version has a blurb for Kyrinov but no unit entry. Weird.

 pretre wrote:

Amerikon wrote:
Trying to figure out if the Canoness is viable now. The "re-roll armor saves" that the Cloak of St Aspira grants, I'm guessing doesn't apply to the Rosarius, because that would be pretty strong.

It says Shield of Faith invuls only, but normal armor

So the save granted by a Rosarius is not considered an "armor saving throw", correct?

Amerikon wrote:
Celestine's Warlord Trait is interesting. In an army with a lot of Priests, she makes a 12" bubble of Ld10 for War Hymns. Maybe Celestine 3.0 is no longer an in-your-face harassment unit and more of a support/counter-charge unit?

yeah, huge leadership bubbles in this army.

 pretre wrote:
My version has a blurb for Kyrinov but no unit entry. Weird.

I noticed that as well. They left rules for the Mace of Valaans in as well. I wonder if there was a hasty Kyrinov delete?

Amerikon wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Amerikon wrote:
Trying to figure out if the Canoness is viable now. The "re-roll armor saves" that the Cloak of St Aspira grants, I'm guessing doesn't apply to the Rosarius, because that would be pretty strong.

It says Shield of Faith invuls only, but normal armor

So the save granted by a Rosarius is not considered an "armor saving throw", correct?

Right it is an invul saving throw.

Dominion's AoF is that they ignore cover? isn't that really redundant?

Might be time to restart my army.

I had planned on starting an army based on the Adeptus Arbites. Would it be suitable?

Radish wrote:
Dominion's AoF is that they ignore cover? isn't that really redundant?

Meltaguns.

 pretre wrote:
My version has a blurb for Kyrinov but no unit entry. Weird.

Raise it on the GWDE Facebook page, and see if they're feeling talkative on Monday (assuming no-one is around tomorrow).

Radish wrote:
Dominion's AoF is that they ignore cover? isn't that really redundant?

Not if they have meltas or stormbolters.

 pretre wrote:

Radish wrote:
Dominion's AoF is that they ignore cover? isn't that really redundant?

Meltaguns.

Yeah, that has really reinforced that Dominions take meltas, and Seras take flamers. The points drop for Heavy Flamers means that I'll probably auto-include one in every BSS.

Question about epub? Can download it to my computer then transfer to my tablet? Or do I have to download directly to the tablet?