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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Flameberge?

The flamer-halberd I mentioned earlier.

Yes, I know, I was suggesting a better name than Flameberediy.

Well, flamberges are swords, not pole-weapons.



... though if you add the extraneous "e", it needs to get some thermal properties, or a combi-melta, to complete the pun.

Heated blade grants Armourbane (IE: CC Melta)?

Flashbacks to Gundam's Heat Axes and the like... (Heat Shotels anyone?)

Flameglaive?

Or we could rip off Guild Wars and go with Sunspears

Laminas flamma

Infero Blade - Infernus ensis

Le Epee Brulant?

It'd be pretty awesome for SoB to have flaming-combi power weapons that have a limited flamer capability.

Hell, just give elite Sisters units like Celestians access to purchasing Exterminators on their CCWs.

Howabout they take a tip from the GK and gauntlet-mount some Exterminators?

ETA: Really, Im just saying that so they can dramatically point the finger at someone and then shoot flames into their face. There's even a model already in the pose that you could greenstuff a sheet of flames coming off her arm from if you trimmed off the bolter.

That model always makes me want to do something with the icon, rules wise...

I think I may end up taking full advantage of the rulebook's permissions to "adapt the army lists" and tweak the WD codex (using that list I posted on the previous page) to make a codex worth playing if this turns out to be pants.

And no, it doesn't say I need to ask permission to do that.

And yes, 40k is a game that requires a basic social contract between the players to be played, but that's beside the point of it that codex is pants or not.

Just heading off the arguments ahead of time.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I may end up taking full advantage of the rulebook's permissions to "adapt the army lists" and tweak the WD codex (using that list I posted on the previous page) to make a codex worth playing if this turns out to be pants.

It's a bit early for that. Not to mention that that really isn't an option unless you only play with folks that allow homebrew.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think I may end up taking full advantage of the rulebook's permissions to "adapt the army lists" and tweak the WD codex (using that list I posted on the previous page) to make a codex worth playing if this turns out to be pants.

It's a bit early for that. Not to mention that that really isn't an option unless you only play with folks that allow homebrew.

Page 108 of the rulebook (at least in The Rules version of the book) under "Army Lists". It's a completely "legal" and "valid" way to play. Just don't be a dick about it and let them know in advance so they can know what to expect.

And I did say "I may" and "if this turns out to be pants". I'm not committing, just saying it's an option on the table.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Page 108 of the rulebook (at least in The Rules version of the book) under "Army Lists". It's a completely "legal" and "valid" way to play. Just don't be a dick about it and let them know in advance so they can know what to expect.

And I did say "I may" and "if this turns out to be pants". I'm not committing, just saying it's an option on the table.

But, as you said in an earlier post, social contract. Most players do not agree to homebrew.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Page 108 of the rulebook (at least in The Rules version of the book) under "Army Lists". It's a completely "legal" and "valid" way to play. Just don't be a dick about it and let them know in advance so they can know what to expect.

And I did say "I may" and "if this turns out to be pants". I'm not committing, just saying it's an option on the table.

But, as you said in an earlier post, social contract. Most players do not agree to homebrew.

Yeah, but I hang out at a pretty casual FLGS so it's less of an issue for me.

"Hey, mind if I used a tweaked Sororitas Codex? I just added in some old stuff they used to be able to take and adjusted it to match the current edition."

"Sure."

And if they say no then I say "Well, then this is my count-as Salamanders Army."

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Yeah, but I hang out at a pretty casual FLGS so it's less of an issue for me.

Well there you go. Get them to let you use Codex: Chapter Approved.

You mean the WD one we currently have? The one I'm so tired of using because it has a lot of automatic choices that lock me into a singular list? The codex that made me want to start a new army because I was running out of ways to adapt?

Yeah, I'd rather homebrew or count-as instead.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You mean the WD one we currently have? The one I'm so tired of using because it has a lot of automatic choices that lock me into a singular list? The codex that made me want to start a new army because I was running out of ways to adapt?

Yeah, I'd rather homebrew or count-as instead.

No no no. The one from 2002. With redemptionists and cool faith powers.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You mean the WD one we currently have? The one I'm so tired of using because it has a lot of automatic choices that lock me into a singular list? The codex that made me want to start a new army because I was running out of ways to adapt?

Yeah, I'd rather homebrew or count-as instead.

No no no. The one from 2002. With redemptionists and cool faith powers.

The one that almost no one has you mean.

I've got that Citadel Journal coming though. Should be in the mail today in fact.

You can get a digital copy of it pretty easy though.

Forgive me for choosing hardcopy over digital then.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Forgive me for choosing hardcopy over digital then.

You can pick up the hardcopy of it very cheaply a lot of the time too. Not to mention your tweaked list would be just as digital.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Forgive me for choosing hardcopy over digital then.

You can pick up the hardcopy of it very cheaply a lot of the time too. Not to mention your tweaked list would be just as digital.

I said I have a hardcopy that should be in the mail as of today. I got it via eBay.

If you're referring to the White Dwarf copies, those are about to be out of date and no longer legitimate.

 Melissia wrote:
If you're referring to the White Dwarf copies, those are about to be out of date and no longer legitimate.

Umm, no, he was talking about Citadel Journal 49 and I was talking about Chapter Approved 2002.

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
If you're referring to the White Dwarf copies, those are about to be out of date and no longer legitimate.

Umm, no, he was talking about Citadel Journal 49 and I was talking about Chapter Approved 2002.

Ah, I haven't been paying that much attention to the conversation... just saw someone talking about "hard copy vs digital", which is a conversation people have had about the upcoming codex in the news section...

Well... I had a list of desires... and what we got? Not them.

Acts of Faith look to have been completely and utterly nerfed into oblivion. Each Act is one use only. Battle Sisters can no longer be Fearless. Hand of the Emperor only works when charging. Spirit of the Martyr is a 3+ FnP save. Etc.

Priests are actually useful now. In fact, I'd maybe go so far as to say vital with their new War Hymns that can grant his squad either rerolls to saves or to wound rolls... oh, and unlike Acts of Faith, they can use them every turn. Or grant themselves Smash.

Death Cultists have been nerfed to always carry Swords.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well... I had a list of desires... and what we got? Not them.

Acts of Faith look to have been completely and utterly nerfed into oblivion. Each Act is one use only. Battle Sisters can no longer be Fearless. Hand of the Emperor only works when charging. Spirit of the Martyr is a 3+ FnP save. Etc.

Priests are actually useful now. In fact, I'd maybe go so far as to say vital with their new War Hymns that can grant his squad either rerolls to saves or to wound rolls... oh, and unlike Acts of Faith, they can use them every turn. Or grant themselves Smash.

Death Cultists have been nerfed to always carry Swords.

I think the AoF being "nerfed into oblivion" is a trifle overreaction. Remember that before we were reliant on a d6 roll for a budget, and even then those acts were not terribly likely to succeed. Likewise, Simulacrums allow for 2 uses of a power in a game which, with the budget of Faith Points went, is not that huge of a nerf.

Likewise, priests are amazing and give Zealot to their units, so squads are still fearless now.

I wasn't expecting this digital download thing to include anything new. It's a reprint of the WD codex with some updated items for 6th Ed.

Wishlist stuff won't be seen until an actual, proper Codex for 6th Ed is printed, rather than this half-assed stopgap measure.