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Legion of the Damned? I don't think they benefit - not sure if they have Chapter Tactics, but I doubt it.

Yea I was gunna say I don't believe the legion would benefit from a separate chapters tactics.

I do question using Vulcan though. His melta benefit is nice but I'm not sure he's worth his points

He's a bargain as a pure beatstick. 2+/3++ with a MC Relic Blade and built-in flamer.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
6 Guard lascannons hit just as often as 4 SM ones, assuming rapid fire on all the special weapons marines will actually hit more (if you use the grav guns over plasma). So, yeah, you're right there.

Until you use Chapter Tactics: Imperial Fists, and you get re-roll of all 1's with Bolter type weapons. Give the Tac squads Lascannons too, don't forget Plasma gun/Combi Plasma. Throw in IF Tank Hunters rule on a Devastator Squad with Lascannons and it's a mighty sweet tank busting deal.

Don't mean to diminish what everyone is mentioning here, but you're going to have a a sht tonne of bodies moving up the board by way of the IG, why not take advantage of it?

Librarian (65)
Tac squad x10 w/ Plasma, Combi Plasma, Lascannon (185)
Tac squad x10 w/ Plasma, Combi Plasma, Lascannon (185)
Dev squad x10 w/ 4x Lascannon (220)

Combat squad the 2x Tac squads (4x marines + Lascannon and 3x marines + Plasma + Combi) and the Devastator squad (2x Lascannons + sgt + 2x marines and 2x Lascannons + 3x marines). That's a lot of pseudo split firing that you can do. Screen the marines with the IG plebs, sit back and pick off vehicles with Lascannon goodness while the mobile elements of the Tac squads with Plasma advance and target heavy infantry and take advantage of Bolter Drill.

That's a potential 6x Lascannons from 2x Troops and a Dev squad, one of those would also be at BS5 every turn. Once the tanks are dead, that's also an instagibbed Broadside squad per turn (if you don't wiffle your shots). All for only 655 points for a very flexible and hard hitting firebase. Leaving 1355 points for some IG spam!

Want to be a real bastard to your opponents? Get yourself some Centurions and equip them with TLLC and Missile Launchers. Remember, those are relentless! March those suckers up behind the guard, and watch your opponent sweat because he needs to deal with that threat. All the while your back field Lascannons are picking him apart!

Doing that would still leave you over 1000 pts for IG, giving you enough for a CCS, 3-4 squad platoon, PCS, heavy weapons teams (if necessary), 2-3 Valk's (I wouldn't bother with Vendetta's because the Marines will be taking care of Lascannon duties, give them Rocket Pods and Heavy Bolters). Also.. as it's your primary detachment, you can still add a couple of heavy support IG choices. Russes? Manticore?

Could be a fun list

Skabfang wrote:

 obsidiankatana wrote:
6 Guard lascannons hit just as often as 4 SM ones, assuming rapid fire on all the special weapons marines will actually hit more (if you use the grav guns over plasma). So, yeah, you're right there.

Until you use Chapter Tactics: Imperial Fists, and you get re-roll of all 1's with Bolter type weapons. Give the Tac squads Lascannons too, don't forget Plasma gun/Combi Plasma. Throw in IF Tank Hunters rule on a Devastator Squad with Lascannons and it's a mighty sweet tank busting deal.

Don't mean to diminish what everyone is mentioning here, but you're going to have a a sht tonne of bodies moving up the board by way of the IG, why not take advantage of it?

Librarian (65)
Tac squad x10 w/ Plasma, Combi Plasma, Lascannon (185)
Tac squad x10 w/ Plasma, Combi Plasma, Lascannon (185)
Dev squad x10 w/ 4x Lascannon (220)

Combat squad the 2x Tac squads (4x marines + Lascannon and 3x marines + Plasma + Combi) and the Devastator squad (2x Lascannons + sgt + 2x marines and 2x Lascannons + 3x marines). That's a lot of pseudo split firing that you can do. Screen the marines with the IG plebs, sit back and pick off vehicles with Lascannon goodness while the mobile elements of the Tac squads with Plasma advance and target heavy infantry and take advantage of Bolter Drill.

That's a potential 6x Lascannons from 2x Troops and a Dev squad, one of those would also be at BS5 every turn. Once the tanks are dead, that's also an instagibbed Broadside squad per turn (if you don't wiffle your shots). All for only 655 points for a very flexible and hard hitting firebase. Leaving 1355 points for some IG spam!

Want to be a real bastard to your opponents? Get yourself some Centurions and equip them with TLLC and Missile Launchers. Remember, those are relentless! March those suckers up behind the guard, and watch your opponent sweat because he needs to deal with that threat. All the while your back field Lascannons are picking him apart!

Doing that would still leave you over 1000 pts for IG, giving you enough for a CCS, 3-4 squad platoon, PCS, heavy weapons teams (if necessary), 2-3 Valk's (I wouldn't bother with Vendetta's because the Marines will be taking care of Lascannon duties, give them Rocket Pods and Heavy Bolters). Also.. as it's your primary detachment, you can still add a couple of heavy support IG choices. Russes? Manticore?

Could be a fun list

IF seem like a much better list for this type rather than the BT, what powers would you run with the libby, iirc he doesnt have divination still.

This is deffinetly a consideration and is cheap which also gives be a very solid fire base.

I would probably stick with 1 vendetta also just incase my opponent has anti air, I dont want to waste shots trying to snap fire lascannons at a hell drake or something.

But thanks for the list suggestion and break down of it, really helps look at other chapters. Also because If I ran the salamanders detachment of vulkan and command squad, 2 tac squads(all those 3 in pods), and a legion of the damned squad I would basically be making that my primary and Im pretty sure thats gunna run close to 1k points unless I make the tac squads 5 man.

Thanks again!

I would consider a group of LC Centurions or a las Pred over the devastators. With the rise of Tau, the existence of the Heldrake, and recent Eldar shenanigans the 3+ save of Devs just doesn't cut it imo.

Yea it would be situational. The centurions would have to focus on one target where there's a squad of devs combat squaded which allows them to fire at 2 targets and with correct spacing behind a line could be hard to hit. Hell drake just doesn't care about anything anyways lol. I don't think the ores would be much help as tau has enough high strength to knock it out quick.

Cents have a 2+ save that laughs off a Helldrake. Devs can split fire 2 LCs at two targets with a combat squad, but all that does is tickle two vehicles rather than turn one to slag. Cents can get the split fire for one cannon if you put an omni-scope on the sergeant and they can reposition themselves away from a threat while firing at full BS thanks to SNP.

I'm assuming ores is a misspelled Pred, and while it isn't the best choice, it's the cheapest weighing in at a 145pt triple las platform (one of which is TL).

Those are good points and I will have to consider that, Reluctantly I picked up the codex today so I can actually start llooking over each of the armies potential and get point costs down for stuff. Honor Guard seem like a very nasty close combat squad as I finally looked over them and the command squad.

 tankboy145 wrote:
IF seem like a much better list for this type rather than the BT, what powers would you run with the libby, iirc he doesnt have divination still.

This is deffinetly a consideration and is cheap which also gives be a very solid fire base.

I would probably stick with 1 vendetta also just incase my opponent has anti air, I dont want to waste shots trying to snap fire lascannons at a hell drake or something.

But thanks for the list suggestion and break down of it, really helps look at other chapters. Also because If I ran the salamanders detachment of vulkan and command squad, 2 tac squads(all those 3 in pods), and a legion of the damned squad I would basically be making that my primary and Im pretty sure thats gunna run close to 1k points unless I make the tac squads 5 man.

Thanks again!

If I use a level one Libby I always roll Biomancy and hope for a 3. Relentless, FNP, It will not die ftw! If using level two I will roll Biomancy and Telekinesis hoping for (can't remember the name) the one which forces your opponent to re-roll to hit and wound rolls of 6.

I use him as a de/buffer essentially, because if I am playing higher points games I have Captain "Beatstick" Lysander on staff to bring the pain!

I would say the Las-Plas is not the best option...it is just...too hit and miss. I would recommend the Twin LC. Though, as always, it is up to the gamer!

With only a side of 11 I dont see the pred being to effective. I will keep the armor for the IG primary.

I have posted in this forum an IG list with the allied IF youve suggested.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/555732.page This is the updated list.