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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Teachers, when you break it down to hourly pay, get around $25 + an hour. They're doing pretty alright. Especially with their vacation time mixed in there.

And their retirement too

Don't forget job security. Its almost impossible to fire a senior teacher.

Yup! I'd forgotten that, thank you

While teachers do have good stuff... that hourly rate is very misleading.

My Ex is a teacher... she brought home gak everynight.

You'd think they have 3 month off in the summer... but in the reality, they'd get about a month off... they're attending conferences/classes/meetings galore throughout the summer.

While they're paid really well with good benefits, it isn't an easy job.

Teachers really want more respectibility in the industry AND from parents, rather than more pay.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Don't forget job security. Its almost impossible to fire a senior teacher.

Dont forget that very few continuing contracts are given to any teachers anymore, pretty much guranteeing that statement will no longer be true.

And if you're not a senior teacher, you're incredibly easy to get rid of, considering you sign a new contract every year.

And with the amount of funding being cut to schools across the United States, massive layoffs have continued to happen.

But you're right, the security is TOTALLY there.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Well, a recent trend is that mor emen are turning to the traditionally "pink collar' jobs now, so that doesn't surprise me that you are seeing an evening out.

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/12/154845329/why-more-men-are-choosing-pink-collar-jobs

Here's the key part:

We found this story in the New York Times, whose reporters crunched the numbers and found that from the year 2000 to 2010, fields dominated by women - that means where the workforce is more than 70 percent female - accounted for a third of job growth for men. That includes teaching, nursing, social work, a number of other fields, and this trend is true for men of all different ages and races.

However, since traditionally they were 70% women, that means the professions in question were often paid less than men. Only recently, has the disparity between men and women wages seen significant decreases.

That really come as surprising at all in our increasingly affirmative action oriented work environment. For proper diversification, dont most employers want, ideally, around a 50/50 split? Hence the reason men would be able to get into those 'pink collar' jobs more easily?

Right, but my point was, we could historically pay teachers less beacuse they were "Pink Collar" and that is why we can still get away with paying them so little. Even with the gains, the teaching profession is still 70% or more Women, hence why it is considered okay to pay them low market wages.

ahhh! Gotcha. I misunderstood!

We failed as a society when we started producing these deadbeats who feel they are 'owed' something. Ignorant products of a failed public education system. They were told too many times of how unique and special they were, when in fact they were just scraping by. Now they are resigned to shuffle through life on the path of least resistance, waiting for theirs to be delivered into their hand. Somehow these losers have become convinced that all they have to do is 'show up' and they will be provided for. How pathetically European we have become.


Well that's my rant for the day

We failed as a soceity when we look down on those who ar in trouble and turn our nose up at them. When we lost our compassion for others. When we lost our ability to reach a hand up and help others..
We may give a little change to a homeless person, thinking we did our good deed for the week, to placate those nagging feelings of uncompassion.
We have faile to provide for others, americans worldview ends at the porch.

Also, europe, especially Scandinavian countries, have a higher standard of living with those who make over under 40k a year do not pay taxes, but if you make higher then 2 mil 50% goes to taxes. They have a higher standard of living then americans.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
We failed as a soceity when we look down on those who ar in trouble and turn our nose up at them. When we lost our compassion for others. When we lost our ability to reach a hand up and help others..
We may give a little change to a homeless person, thinking we did our good deed for the week, to placate those nagging feelings of uncompassion.
We have faile to provide for others, americans worldview ends at the porch.

Hey that's not true!

We helped the banks!

 surixurient wrote:
We failed as a society when we started producing these deadbeats who feel they are 'owed' something. Ignorant products of a failed public education system. They were told too many times of how unique and special they were, when in fact they were just scraping by. Now they are resigned to shuffle through life on the path of least resistance, waiting for theirs to be delivered into their hand. Somehow these losers have become convinced that all they have to do is 'show up' and they will be provided for. How pathetically European we have become.


Well that's my rant for the day

Fellow members of club "We've Got Ours",
I'd like to introduce you to our host.
"He's got his", and "I've got mine", meet surixurient.

 surixurient wrote:
We failed as a society when we started producing these deadbeats who feel they are 'owed' something. Ignorant products of a failed public education system. They were told too many times of how unique and special they were, when in fact they were just scraping by. Now they are resigned to shuffle through life on the path of least resistance, waiting for theirs to be delivered into their hand. Somehow these losers have become convinced that all they have to do is 'show up' and they will be provided for. How pathetically European we have become.


Well that's my rant for the day

I hope you feel better now Don Quixote, but I think you left a windmill standing.

 surixurient wrote:
We failed as a society when we started producing these deadbeats who feel they are 'owed' something. Ignorant products of a failed public education system. They were told too many times of how unique and special they were, when in fact they were just scraping by. Now they are resigned to shuffle through life on the path of least resistance, waiting for theirs to be delivered into their hand. Somehow these losers have become convinced that all they have to do is 'show up' and they will be provided for. How pathetically European we have become.

Yeah, feth those kids for having drastically underfunded education systems. Feth those kids for not having funded artistic programs that are statistically shown to keep kids in school and help with overall cognitive development that aids them in career making disciplines. Feth those kids for being packed into classrooms of 30+ because the ones making the decisions consistently decide that education can take the cuts first.

Feth those kids for being bombarded by the commercial media, being constantly told to buy their way to some arbitrary ideal. Feth those kids for shuffling along the path of least resistance as they drop out and eventually end up receiving government benefits because the USA's education an embarrassment to first world countries.

Feth the kids for making our banks fail and redistributing billions of dollars from the taxpayers pockets to those of banking industry CEOs getting big bonuses, and to their companies that have just posted record high profits in Q2 2013.

And feth Europe for not making all these dim-wited policy decisions and succeeding anyway!

The EU's in worse shape then we are, with the Euro on a long downward slide.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
The EU's in worse shape then we are, with the Euro on a long downward slide.

True overall, however many European countries are not suffering the fate of Spain and Greece and are doing great. Germany, Sweden, Denmark, etc. When comparing against someone doing things in a way that is to be desired it makes sense to me to look at the candidates that have implemented those policies to success, rather than countries like Greece with a tiny and unsuccessful industrial base.

Just saying Europe's not the best place to look for solutions on the whole. The entire EU is shaky as hell right now.

There's also some difficulty of applying say Swedish policies on a nation of 330 million when those policies are based in a nation with the population of a U.S. state. It's a matter of scale and cost, do we need to improve US education? Yes absolutely. Raise the minimum wage like we're discussing in this thread? Probably not the answer we actually want.

The commercial media thing isn't exactly unique to the United States either.

You're right the bail out was lame BUT all those companies even the banks have been making good on the bail out. All told out of 608 and billion sent out all but 53.8 billion has come back. Considering that our investments have returned 153.8 billion in dividends and interest in the last few years we might actually be making money off the bail out in the near future. So good, I want to see them continue to make record making profits. The collapse of a significant segment of the American banking system would have SUCKED and made a gak economy worse, while I am a fan of proper Capitalism that call hasn't ended terribly AND now that we're invested in the banks, their profits are our profits too. Stock dividends baby, gotta love'em.

Oh, and as a side note, the majority of that $$ that hasn't come back is from the government sinkholes Freddie and Fannie.

 sebster wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
Bad idea. Guess the dollar menu at mcdonalds will have to become the 2 dollar menu around that time. So now our employers have to pay health care AND more in wages.It will be interesting to see all the businesses that shut their doors when this takes effect.

You're arguing that a 25% increase in low level wages will produce a 200% increase in prices?

Okay, we'll just accept you've never opened an economic textbook, but who in the feth taught you maths?

Seriously, these are supposed to be starter jobs, you don't get payed anything because you are supposed to move on to better things.

You don't set policy according to what the economy is supposed to be, you set it according to what the economy actually is. And for a lot of people there simply isn't anything better.

Read the text, i rolled in the health costs of obama care AND salary increase. Either way its a estimate. I guess since you want to know who taught me math i can ask who taught you to read.

 Rotary wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 Rotary wrote:
Bad idea. Guess the dollar menu at mcdonalds will have to become the 2 dollar menu around that time. So now our employers have to pay health care AND more in wages.It will be interesting to see all the businesses that shut their doors when this takes effect.

You're arguing that a 25% increase in low level wages will produce a 200% increase in prices?

Okay, we'll just accept you've never opened an economic textbook, but who in the feth taught you maths?

Seriously, these are supposed to be starter jobs, you don't get payed anything because you are supposed to move on to better things.

You don't set policy according to what the economy is supposed to be, you set it according to what the economy actually is. And for a lot of people there simply isn't anything better.

Read the text, i rolled in the health costs of obama care AND salary increase. Either way its a estimate. I guess since you want to know who taught me math i can ask who taught you to read.

Yes, but even if you "rolled in the costs of obamacare AND salary increase" that still won't result in a 100% increase in price. That's crazy talk.

 gossipmeng wrote:
Congrats you've achieved status: Canada.

No kidding. Most of our prices are comparable to US prices to boot and we have at least a 10.00 minimum wage I think nation wide

efarrer wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
Congrats you've achieved status: Canada.

No kidding. Most of our prices are comparable to US prices to boot and we have at least a 10.00 minimum wage I think nation wide

No, cost of living in Canadia is kinda higher then it is here. Canada cost of living index 91.25

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Canada

US cost of living index, 75.18.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=United+States

Yeah it was never a hard number, i think you are missing the point. Out of the entire thread guys focus on a statement that shows the dollar menu going to two dollars.

 djones520 wrote:

efarrer wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
Congrats you've achieved status: Canada.

No kidding. Most of our prices are comparable to US prices to boot and we have at least a 10.00 minimum wage I think nation wide

No, cost of living in Canadia is kinda higher then it is here. Canada cost of living index 91.25

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Canada

US cost of living index, 75.18.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=United+States

Im sure it has to do with them being so polite

This is indicative of the failure of the US school system

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/24/video-students-suspended-possibly-expelled-for-playing-with-toy-guns-in-their-yard/

 hdbbstephen wrote:
This is indicative of the failure of the US school system

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/24/video-students-suspended-possibly-expelled-for-playing-with-toy-guns-in-their-yard/

I think you got the wrong thread dude.

 whembly wrote:
While teachers do have good stuff... that hourly rate is very misleading.

My Ex is a teacher... she brought home gak everynight.

You'd think they have 3 month off in the summer... but in the reality, they'd get about a month off... they're attending conferences/classes/meetings galore throughout the summer.

While they're paid really well with good benefits, it isn't an easy job.

Teachers really want more respectibility in the industry AND from parents, rather than more pay.

I'm not disputing that it isn't an easy job; my mother-in-law and father-in-law were both teachers, my sister and a cousin are both teachers also. I was just disagreeing with hotsauceman when he was trying to pull the teachers are paid $1.70-something an hour per student thanks to some very selective stats.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

efarrer wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
Congrats you've achieved status: Canada.

No kidding. Most of our prices are comparable to US prices to boot and we have at least a 10.00 minimum wage I think nation wide

No, cost of living in Canadia is kinda higher then it is here. Canada cost of living index 91.25

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Canada

US cost of living index, 75.18.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=United+States

Im sure it has to do with them being so polite

Fun site.

Try some comparisons between comparable cities. You can get some really weird results.

Also not sure I believe that the Disposable monthly income in New Orleans is greater than in Regina.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
Cool, now people can live mildly comfortably by working at McDonalds for the rest of their lives. Because that it takes SO much skill to work a cash register.

I made that much when i was about 16 because I worked for a construction company and learned a trade that takes skill to do. Someone who is too lazy to learn a skill shouldn't get the same pay that I made when I went through a lot of hard work to learn how to do something. This will likely raise the price of EVERYTHING to compensate and we'll be right back where we started. People with certain skill-sets will demand more money, which will raise the cost of household items to compensate. Welcome to inflation.

If a person puts in a full days work with full time hours, they deserve a living wage. Anything else is just vacant "f-u Jack, I got mine" spitefulness.

EPIC NONSENSE.
The Soviets proved that doesn't work. You punish the hard working. You punish those who have sacrificed to educate and improve their skills, and put them all to the lowest common denominator. Why on earth would someone go to trade school or university if they are at the same level as the average mouthbreather who knocked up his girlfriend and is getting your order wrong at mcDonalds even though the picture of fries is right there.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
While teachers do have good stuff... that hourly rate is very misleading.

My Ex is a teacher... she brought home gak everynight.

You'd think they have 3 month off in the summer... but in the reality, they'd get about a month off... they're attending conferences/classes/meetings galore throughout the summer.

While they're paid really well with good benefits, it isn't an easy job.

Teachers really want more respectibility in the industry AND from parents, rather than more pay.

I'm not disputing that it isn't an easy job; my mother-in-law and father-in-law were both teachers, my sister and a cousin are both teachers also. I was just disagreeing with hotsauceman when he was trying to pull the teachers are paid $1.70-something an hour per student thanks to some very selective stats.

OH agree that what that thing said was stupid and I dont think it was true.
Really Im just using the example from the women who said teachers are babysitters as how under recognized they are


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
Cool, now people can live mildly comfortably by working at McDonalds for the rest of their lives. Because that it takes SO much skill to work a cash register.

I made that much when i was about 16 because I worked for a construction company and learned a trade that takes skill to do. Someone who is too lazy to learn a skill shouldn't get the same pay that I made when I went through a lot of hard work to learn how to do something. This will likely raise the price of EVERYTHING to compensate and we'll be right back where we started. People with certain skill-sets will demand more money, which will raise the cost of household items to compensate. Welcome to inflation.

If a person puts in a full days work with full time hours, they deserve a living wage. Anything else is just vacant "f-u Jack, I got mine" spitefulness.

EPIC NONSENSE.
The Soviets proved that doesn't work. You punish the hard working. You punish those who have sacrificed to educate and improve their skills, and put them all to the lowest common denominator. Why on earth would someone go to trade school or university if they are at the same level as the average mouthbreather who knocked up his girlfriend and is getting your order wrong at mcDonalds even though the picture of fries is right there.

At my local Mcdonalds they have their registers in spanish

 Frazzled wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 c0j1r0 wrote:
Cool, now people can live mildly comfortably by working at McDonalds for the rest of their lives. Because that it takes SO much skill to work a cash register.

I made that much when i was about 16 because I worked for a construction company and learned a trade that takes skill to do. Someone who is too lazy to learn a skill shouldn't get the same pay that I made when I went through a lot of hard work to learn how to do something. This will likely raise the price of EVERYTHING to compensate and we'll be right back where we started. People with certain skill-sets will demand more money, which will raise the cost of household items to compensate. Welcome to inflation.

If a person puts in a full days work with full time hours, they deserve a living wage. Anything else is just vacant "f-u Jack, I got mine" spitefulness.

EPIC NONSENSE.
The Soviets proved that doesn't work. You punish the hard working. You punish those who have sacrificed to educate and improve their skills, and put them all to the lowest common denominator. Why on earth would someone go to trade school or university if they are at the same level as the average mouthbreather who knocked up his girlfriend and is getting your order wrong at mcDonalds even though the picture of fries is right there.

No one is saying that people with improved skills and who work harder shouldn;t get paid more.

What we ar esaying is that the social safety net should be built a bit higher; therefore allowing the people with better skills and who work harder to get even MORE!

A living wage is a joyous concept. It includes anything and everything.

No. Entry level jobs are crappy. Do better.

Why are entry level jobs crappy?

Because they're entry level.

Honestly, I just want to hear someone tell me what this mythical "living wage" should include. How many people should it support. Etc.