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I only go by the descriptor on the online library where it says it will "Allow you to field your space marines as members of the 3rd Company of the Imperial Fists".

It didn't lead me to believe that the entire chapter could benefit from the supplement, but if that's the case then that's cool. If the fluff is all that is 3rd company and it's truly a full chapter supplement, I don't see any issues with it. I'm actually quite the IF fan, so it'd be cool.

 Lansirill wrote:
From the leaked rules it seems like it's perfectly functional as a supplement to represent the entire Imperial Fists chapter. The fluff focuses around a single company because, hell, I guess that's what they felt like writing. Instead of giving snippets from all of the IF companies, they went into more depth on a single one... fine by me since we get plenty of snippets and vignettes from other sources. It's not all that much difference about how some chapters like the Crimson Fists get a reasonably detailed back story, while others are only a color scheme and a name.

Apparently the reason is that it is supposed to be describing a specific battle or campaign.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Surprised this wasn't in the White Dwarf. They normally advertise these there don't they? Either way. I like supplements.

a catalogue that doesn't advertise...Fail?

Here is a list of the relics by way of radio40k.

Not that impressive if you ask me.

1) Eye of Hipnoth? (transcribing from mp3), 15pts. Like an auspex (reduces a units cover by 1), but 18" range. If used against a building its AV is reduced by 1. The unit can still shoot a different target.

2) Angel of Sacrifice, 10pts. An upgrade for a chaplain's crozius. Same specs, but if he is killed in overwatch or in combat before his initiative step he isn't removed until the end of the combat, so still gets to make his attacks and buff the unit.

3) The Bones of Ausract? 25pts. Libby only. Gives extra warp charge and can reroll failed psychic tests.

4) The Banner of Stangundah? 25pts. Can be taken by anyone which can take a company standard. Gives counter attack and crusader USR. Units with same CT within 12" reroll failed morale and pinning tests.

5) Spartean, 5pts. Bolt pistol with ignores cover, master crafted

I am hoping this is more rumor than fact, who the heck needs a bolt pistol that ignores cover?

valace2 wrote:

3) The Bones of Ausract? 25pts. Libby only. Gives extra warp charge and can reroll failed psychic tests.

That is pretty impressive. Seems very powerful, even deamons don't get to re-roll failed psychic tests.

xruslanx wrote:

valace2 wrote:

3) The Bones of Ausract? 25pts. Libby only. Gives extra warp charge and can reroll failed psychic tests.

That is pretty impressive. Seems very powerful, even deamons don't get to re-roll failed psychic tests.

That an maybe the Eye, but who outside of Blood Angels run chaplains?

What is the point of an extra warp charge? I guess if you roll one of the powers that require 2 warp charges it might help but thats pretty random. Is deny the witch based on the number of warp charges a unit has or the psychic mastery. Also would if you used both powers you could still activate your force weapon.

valace2 wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

valace2 wrote:

3) The Bones of Ausract? 25pts. Libby only. Gives extra warp charge and can reroll failed psychic tests.

That is pretty impressive. Seems very powerful, even deamons don't get to re-roll failed psychic tests.

That an maybe the Eye, but who outside of Blood Angels run chaplains?

What is the point of an extra warp charge? I guess if you roll one of the powers that require 2 warp charges it might help but thats pretty random. Is deny the witch based on the number of warp charges a unit has or the psychic mastery. Also would if you used both powers you could still activate your force weapon.

Well you mentioned the uses pretty much, the rerolls psyker abilities is great though.

Also I'm pretty amazed! All of these things are ACTUALLY COST EFFECTIVE for once! Unlike Black Legions overcosted library of uselessness.

I still wouldn't trade normal Codex relics for these. I hope they're an addition instead of a replacement.

I was hyped up for this but it doesnt seem like to much has really caught my eye. The centurions opening more spots for additional heavies is nice but the centurions themselves are very expensive and in this edition everyone is spamming ap1-2 I feel like these guys will be a little priceyto have multiple squads in your army.

Holy crap this is only the 3rd company? Wow. Maybe in dec. they'll release a codex for the salamanders 6th company

xruslanx wrote:

valace2 wrote:

3) The Bones of Ausract? 25pts. Libby only. Gives extra warp charge and can reroll failed psychic tests.

That is pretty impressive. Seems very powerful, even deamons don't get to re-roll failed psychic tests.

Any CSM libby can buy a familiar to re-roll psychic test. They're just special gear

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=11500008

The book follows the tale of Captain Lysander as he rises through the ranks of the Imperial Fists Chapter, charting his saga from new recruit to Captain of the 1st Company. This history is long and full of many glorious actions against the foes of the Imperium, the background section of the book weighing in at a hefty 66 pages. There are a lot of revelations in the book too - Lysander's demotion to Captain of the 3rd Company, the Sentinels of Terra, being just the tip of the iceberg.

... err.. say what now ?

I'm assuming this is new then ?

Whilst part of me is somewhat gladdened to see some evidence of things moving on, even if only slightly -- and assuming this is the case anyway -- one does have a nagging feeling that he's only really in the book as he's a model that one can buy and use.

Ho hum. we'll see soon enough.

I really hope this gets a hardcover release. I loathe digital releases of anything, and after coming back to the hobby after a 15 year hiatus, it's nice to see how good the Codices are.

I played Imperial Fists first time around, and while it's unlikely I'll restart an Imperial Fists collection, I'd be first in line for a physical copy.

@Reds8n

I thought that Lysander got demoted when he got back from being trapped in the warp for centuries. Maybe I have my fluff mixed up though. If that is the case then it makes sense to include him in this book.

From what I can recall, when he returned he was subjected to a veritable barrage of tests -- health, mental, purity, hop scotch skills, elbow licking ability and so on -- then he was declared fit for duty, returned to command of the 1st company, where-upon he led them to Malodrax and kicked the proverbial.

There's a book coming out about it ...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Malodrax-Space-Marine-Battles-Counter/dp/1849705445

One hopes it's merely a case of them expanding upon a hitherto unexplored or mentioned part of his history, and not them just being sloppy or not caring.

Seems extra odd though given how sure the current, and most recent, marine codex is about him being the captain of the 1st company ...?

Anyway BL have blogged a little bit more about it

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Blog/Yellow-is-the-new-blue.html

Finally, one question we’ve been asked a lot is:

“Can I use this with any Imperial Fists army?”

The answer is, we certainly aren’t going to stop you, and it’s up to you and your opponent what rules you want to use in your games. The Sentinels of Terra are the stars of the supplement for sure, and the rules are designed to represent their way of war, but the rules could just as well represent the 3rd Company of the Crimson Fists or another Imperial Fists force with little adjustment.

So now you know and knowing makes you a GI Joe.

Or something.

Meh it's Iron Hands who need some love not IF

 pities2004 wrote:
Meh it's Iron Hands who need some love not IF

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/556865.page

Blackadder wrote: God's very quick these days !

 reds8n wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
Meh it's Iron Hands who need some love not IF

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/556865.page

Blackadder wrote: God's very quick these days !

<3

Nothing looks as awesome on the tabletop as a full Space Marine company advancing into battle (except a full Chapter of course, but we’re going to need a bigger tabletop for that.)

Sentinels of Terra includes the rules to use the entire Imperial Fists 3rd Company as a single massive Apocalypse Formation.

They even bring their own personal Strike Cruiser into low orbit with them!

You can pre-order your copy of the supplement now, ready to download in just 32 hours time.

We hope you like it!

I do want to give the Digital wing ...... Digiwing ? ........ of GW a lot of credit for actually teasing people in a sensible manner, and also being somewhat open with regards to their releases.

Long may that continue.

That said.... given the dropped word in one preview, and the mix up a'twixt the Centurions in this teaser ..... we'll have to go with " could do better" with regards to proofreading and the like.

I'm going to have my Imperial Fists ally with 3rd Company Imperial Fists and then play a team game with more Imperial Fists allied to Imperial Fists.

I bet the Iron Hands book will give them extra servo arms on their servo harnesses.. forgetting that they changed completely how they work and made them fairly useless in CC.

Would go well with how they usually treat the Iron Hands :p

Is there word whether Sentinels need to give up Tank Hunters for these benefits?

Apparently it is available now.

 Crimson wrote:
Apparently it is available now.

where do you see that?

 dreadnova wrote:

where do you see that?

Here.

 reds8n wrote:
The answer is, we certainly aren’t going to stop you, and it’s up to you and your opponent what rules you want to use in your games.

Translation: We're not going to make a definitive decision on a legitimate rules question as this is just a beer and pretzels game, and shouldn't be taken so seriously! Why not just do what we do when we come across badly written rules during our "play testing" sessions, and just dice off for it! Dicing off is so much fun, and so cinematic! There's really no better way to forge a narrative than to dice off!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

There's really no better way to forge a narrative than to dice off!

It's like rock paper scissors with twice as many numbers!

Eh, overall the book seems more or less just fluff. I don't see any glaring change from the core C:SM book. You really need centurions in more then one slot? Meh like the fluff in it though.

How is the rule about how this supplement relates to the base codex worded? And can you have Codex Imperial Fists allied to supplement Imperial Fists?

 Crimson wrote:
How is the rule about how this supplement relates to the base codex worded? And can you have Codex Imperial Fists allied to supplement Imperial Fists?

The Sentinels of Terra detachment has Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists), which is then modified by another rule. It doesn't give any special allowance for allying with another Imperial Fists detachment.