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 pretre wrote:
Well said, Reaper. I think people are expecting free puppies and BJs. I'm just expecting a lot of good minis at a good price. Also, it has been said previously but bears emphasis, DAY 2!

I totally agree.. I am totally stoked about this one.. If they use the same time frame to send out the pledge manager as last time.. I should be able to add onto my order quite nicely.. I just wish I could up the pledge I have now.. But gf sad no.. :( The things we do for love and bills.. lol..

Pathfinder line has lot of good figures. Too bad the official "Dwarf Ranger" figure doesn look anything like the original portrait.

Getting these hillbilly Ogres would also be awesome:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

that Whispering Tyrant is one of my favorite figs of all time. i bought him retail price in metal ($18) and he's worth every penny. he's also HUGE.

from the reaper site

Well that bonus when we get there will add 2 figures to my like pile. We're getting close to that 50 model mark that will make this worth it. I'm currently in for just the basic pledge to get my stuff a year from now. I'm trying really hard not to look at the actual KS more than once a day since it's only day 3 and it's moving more like a normal KS now (i.e. one goal broken a day).

Multiple KSs which are in their 'round 2' seem to scale back the 'raging party' which was the first KS to a more tasteful party.

Last time they were having KSs which were for 20 people and 5000 people showed up and they had to begin promising stretchgoals out the wazoo. Those companies had massive hangovers and many lost money.

This time they are planning accordingly which means you may not get the same drastic discounts. If that 'angers' you because your expectation bar has been set too high, then don't pledge.

This seems to be a trend across multiple companies, Fall/winder 2012 was a kickstarter bender which left a lot of companies limping to the fulfillment line. I don't begrudge them being more conservative, but we will also see how fickle the KS audience is in general and if people take the "I deserve more free stuff" or "We totally got away with crazy stuff last time which was probably not feasible"

Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

DooM wrote:
Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

Note that those prices are for a 5kg package with a $300 dollar value. The vampire pledge was 1.8kg. It really depend on how much to add to your base pledge.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

DooM wrote:
Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

Note that those prices are for a 5kg package with a $300 dollar value. The vampire pledge was 1.8kg. It really depend on how much to add to your base pledge.

Lowering the values for 100 dollar value and 2kg package, rate to Finland Dropped from 80$ to 60$. So It really doesn't go much lower.

 adhuin wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

DooM wrote:
Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

Note that those prices are for a 5kg package with a $300 dollar value. The vampire pledge was 1.8kg. It really depend on how much to add to your base pledge.

Lowering the values for 100 dollar value and 2kg package, rate to Finland Dropped from 80$ to 60$. So It really doesn't go much lower.

What shipping did reaper use last time? Express or Priority? And what will they use this time?

DooM wrote:
Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

Likewise. There's no harm in me holding on to the early bird pledge until the final day to assess things properly before dropping, but it really does look like I'll be able to get the minis I want from the core Bones pledge for less than $200 ($100 pledge + $100 probable extra fees) at retail by the time this is over.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do decide to sort out EU distro and/or a courier/slow boat service to use in place of USPS. These things are possible to sort out, other companies do sort them out.

And there's always the chance that the deal might become good enough to warrant paying $200 for.

 scarletsquig wrote:

I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do decide to sort out EU distro and/or a courier/slow boat service to use in place of USPS.

This would be a good for them. Not just for the kickstarter, but in general, as their products are hard to get this side of the pond.

Wasn't GW:s Euro/UK profits over twice the amount they get from US? And they're the industry juggernaut with presence around the world.

^ GW selling more in the UK is largely a GW-specific oddity due to them having a *ton* of stores here.

For other wargames companies the US market is far bigger and more important.. which is why companies like Mantic make sure UK-to-US shipping is free on all of their Kickstarters... they have to take a bit of a hit to do that, but the market is worth so much to them.

They've even mentioned that one of the reasons they continue to price their Kickstarters in USD rather than GBP is because the bulk of their backers are American and they don't want to confuse them with weird foreign currency.

Kickstarter is also primarily an American-based thing with more American users and projects, they didn't even allow foreign projects until very recently, which further multiplies the importance of American backers within the Kickstarter environment itself.

So, taking that into account, you can understand why domestic demand is so strong for Reaper that they don't necessarily *need* to sort out a solution... as Sean's earlier post pointed out, Reaper is successful enough already. When you know you're pulling in $5-10 million with ease regardless there isn't really much incentive to boost that further and risk things getting out of control and one of the most logical places to put the brakes on is the with foreign backers who are costly and complicated to sort out compared to domestic backers.

They did try to sort something out just with Canada and it was a nightmare, so the stance this time is "feth it". They've already made a comment to the effect of "don't like it, go back something else", so I don't think it's likely that the situation will change, you just have to take a look and decide if it's worth it compared to other options for getting hold of it on release.

It's not just Reaper either, if you look at all kickstarters for pretty much anything, it is much more common to see free or cheap shipping to the US than it is to see free/cheap shipping out of the US.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 adhuin wrote:

Spoiler:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

DooM wrote:
Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


I'm probably out. Not paying 70$ shipping + 22% VAT + handling charges for a shipment to italy, especially as i'm not interested in all minis in the core. I'm better ff buying the selected ones i want from UK sites.

Note that those prices are for a 5kg package with a $300 dollar value. The vampire pledge was 1.8kg. It really depend on how much to add to your base pledge.

Lowering the values for 100 dollar value and 2kg package, rate to Finland Dropped from 80$ to 60$. So It really doesn't go much lower.

What shipping did reaper use last time? Express or Priority? And what will they use this time?

They were assuming it would cost about $25 to ship overseas for about 4 lbs; which was entirely true until the USPS doubled/tripled (rate of increase dependent on locale and service) their rates in January. Guess what, guys, UPS, Fedex, and DHL are all _more expensive_. Even UPS to Canada costs almost double what the USPS charges. This is because the USPS counts as an "international governmental postal carrier" whereas UPS/Fedex/etc are couriers that pay extra import duties/fees/tariffs/taxes that a "governmental postal carrier" ignores, and they UPS charges an extra bit on top of that for the hassle of having to deal with all that.

You really cannot blame a company for not eating the shipping costs.

I was more speaking about general miniature sales, rather than kickstarting.

The reasons you said about kickstarters are valid, but the difference between US/euro sales is also enlarged by the lack of Reaper-Presence in EU-zone.

Why would Euros go gaga over Reaper Miniatures, when they're bunch of neverheards?

(I do like them & and my friends liked them enough to buy some bones-extras from me. Getting more of them or new ones seems to become insurmountable challenge.)

Well i finally got my customs charges through for Reaper Bones I (which is FINALLY being delivered tomorrow!)

Customs Duty £10.54
Excise Duty £ 0.00
Import VAT £34.89
Clearance/ handling Fee £8.00

For a total of £53.53. on top of a £163.00 Total pledge. Obviously not super happy about it but it could have been worse.

I will be paying close attention to the shipping calculator...

Yeah, be very interested in the shipping calculator. I am only really interested in the Kraken, so if it weighs in more than 1 pound, it's about $24 to send it. That $15 miniature which is a bargain is less so with that kind of postage cost.

I hope they work out something good for the RoW backers, otherwise I don't know whether it's something I will be looking at taking on.

@Fenriswulf

Based on it's size it's still likely a bargain by itself with shipping from what it'll sell at later.

 adhuin wrote:
Pathfinder line has lot of good figures. Too bad the official "Dwarf Ranger" figure doesn look anything like the original portrait.

Getting these hillbilly Ogres would also be awesome:

I think there's a very good chance those get made. It looks like Reaper is focusing on the Pathfinder range, and those are some of the only expensive pathfinder models left to convert.

I had to take a long hard think, and I ended up cancelling my pledge - My box of Bones 1 is still essentially unused, and the prospect of large shipping charges and a ludicrously long wait (even with my Early Bird) just wasn't worth it for me.

Did I miss something - what was Expansion 2? We passed it but I dont see any details?

I know they're overdone, but I really hope we get a staight zombie expansion in there somewhere. I don't care if it's add-on or a freebie, I just need more shambling corpses. The five in the expansion look good, but I really dont' care about any of the other stuff in there except the Egyptian pieces. It'd be nice to see the Chronoscope urban zombies show up. Or the high school students. Those would be pretty damn awesome to have.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Did I miss something - what was Expansion 2? We passed it but I dont see any details?

Havent passed expansion two yet...it hasnt been revealed. Expansion #1 has had one stretchgoal added to it though. That was the Egyptians, lions and zombies at $1.183M.

I have heard that Expansion #2 might be cavalry related with a side of Warlord and then Expansion #3 Being larger terrain type things...though Reaper has a history of changing those things up on the fly, so it might get reversed...or I guess they might put in more Mouslings.


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Not sure if everyone has seen it, but they have gotten the gelatenous cube sculpt done.




Two piece figure with the outside being clear jelly and the inside being whatever it has eaten recently.

Eh, not as cubey as I'd hoped for.

While not super 'cubey' I do like the aspect of the model where we can put it over other stuff and be clear. I think it is a fun gimmick worth 10$ for dungeon fun.

I would be open to other 'spell effects' that can be put over or around a model like this.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
The Egyptian stuff is starting to draw me- also the lion and lioness. More zombies are also useful, but I'll have to think about whether or not to up my pledge. The dragon turtle still turns me off from that whole level- I don't think I'd even want to open it in a box.

Heh, my first thought when I saw that turtle was how it could be used as a certain giant Japanese turtle monster in a six or ten mm game.

Kaiju vs. Battlemechs!

The Auld Grump

The last Kickstarter didn't get me, but this one might. Once that shipping calculator comes out, I'll be able to make a final assessment. So far I like the miniatures chosen for this one a lot more. Other than Cthulhu. That thing is awesome.

 Barzam wrote:
I know they're overdone, but I really hope we get a staight zombie expansion in there somewhere.

The last kickstarter had an option at the end where you could purchase extras of a particular group of models in the base set - they will likely do something similar (if you go in the comments I think they confirm that).

 ruff wrote:
A interesting response to why is this KS being run differently than the first on goal levels.. I believe they are going to run a better KS this time opposed to the last..

Creator Reaper Miniatures less than a minute ago
We learned from mistakes and miscalculations last time. Comparing the two is not as simple as all that. For one, we did a LOT more double levels last time, too, and we aren't doing that again.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but to expect this to be an exact repeat will set you up for disappointment. We are not doing things the same, from levels, to goals, to reward tiers, and a billion other small changes. The question at the end of the day is "is this a good deal, and do I want these items at this price?" if yes, here you are. If not, there are other very worthy projects out there that may have what you seek.

What are "double levels"? Double Vampire? Surely people can just bump their pledges here to 2x core and it's effectively the same (excepting the postage).

I think it might refer to double reward levels...where you got a freebie and an option...

The actual pledges are pretty much whatever you want, so in theory, you could get in on a dollar backer slot and than select the whole thing in the pledge manager.


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And in actual KS news...



On Day one, during the flurry of activity, we accidentally uploaded the incorrect Graphic for the "Oh, Rats!" Option.Below is the correct graphic, with the correct 7 models, including Gopher Centaur, Dwarf, Rat-giant, rat sorcerer, and two rat assassins.

Not sure which is more disturbing, the dwarven clansman in the diaper or the gophertaur. Granted the sorcerous who looks to be maximizing the exposed nipple rule is right up there as well.

What was the difference in the original version?