Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 plastictrees wrote:
Redwall is the anthropomorphic fantasy equivalent of David Eddings. You know exactly what you are getting every single time.

Hey, hey, hey! This isn't a slam on Eddings' writing style is it? I will make somebody bite the curb! Lol. I grew up with Eddings, and while there is a similarity between Belgariad/Elenium series (and sequels), Regina's Song, Losers, and High Hunt are all worlds different from the others. I didn't care about HH too much, but Losers and Regina's Song are both amazing reads. I never got into Redwall. Had Martin the Warrior and one other, didn't do anything for me.

On topic, Martin and his fellow mice are cute, but where's my bloody Bones Phoenix!!!

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Actually a thread on a certain imageboard last night mentioned an addon I'd love as someone who missed out on bones 1, a vampire box, I mean they've got the molds cut already so cost would be minimal to produce and it would certainly increase funding on this one for those of us who wussed out of the first one.

I imagine opinion would be divided on that to say the least though, just seems like a lot of the figs I actually liked from their range have already been given the bones treatment and won't be showing up again unless I shell out full price so it's just a mix of wishful thinking and regret

Reaper have said that they won't be offering KS1 stuff in this (or during the pledge manager) as it would have a negative impact on their retail stockists

all the stuff from the KS is available from stores (or their own website), and the Vampire box is still decent value ($325)

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Bones/price/77951

Bit less than $4k from the next goal. With over 10k backers, all it will take is an extra 33 cents per person.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Kickstarters aren't allowed to offer old product, you get your project deleted if you do.

Can offer it in the post-KS survey, just not before.

Good thing nobody blew the whistle on Kings of War, most of my pledge was existing product... three armies worth!

I don't see why a Vampire pledge couldn't be an add-on... but Reaper sells them at retail now (for $324.99) so it would be like a $200 add on,a t least, and not a hundred bucks.

Cinder is unlocked, Pathfinder freebies next, and the goal after that...



Need to double check to make sure, but that completes the chromatic dragons IIRC. Wonder if they will do a Tiamat or maybe switch to do the metallics.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yep, my bad. Verocithrax isnt a chromatic...need to look at them all to sort it when I am not on my phone.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 judgedoug wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Kickstarters aren't allowed to offer old product, you get your project deleted if you do.

Can offer it in the post-KS survey, just not before.

Good thing nobody blew the whistle on Kings of War, most of my pledge was existing product... three armies worth!

I don't see why a Vampire pledge couldn't be an add-on... but Reaper sells them at retail now (for $324.99) so it would be like a $200 add on,a t least, and not a hundred bucks.

Other than the issues with KS rules, Reaper also likes their FLGS model. I dont think they would want to go ahead and upset those customers just to raise a little more on the KS campaign.

Those spindly legs and the tall body(not to mention large head) worry me. I had enough trouble trying to get the Jabberwocky to stand upright.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Those spindly legs and the tall body(not to mention large head) worry me. I had enough trouble trying to get the Jabberwocky to stand upright.

Not sure if they had looked into it, but I had mentioned to a couple Reaper Peeps, the possiblity of do embedded wire on models like this and the Jabberwocky. It was quite common in toys from the 80s and 90s, you know the ones you could bend and they held the position? Anyway, that would largely deal with about half the concerns and issues people have with bones. They fellout of favor in kids toys because of safety concerns with the wires being able to be pulled out and then become dangerous for the kids.

Since they are going ahead with this one, they may have looked into it and found that it would work.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

Not sure if they had looked into it, but I had mentioned to a couple Reaper Peeps, the possiblity of do embedded wire on models like this and the Jabberwocky. It was quite common in toys from the 80s and 90s, you know the ones you could bend and they held the position?

I remember my old D&D toys did that, like the Otyugh!

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Those spindly legs and the tall body(not to mention large head) worry me. I had enough trouble trying to get the Jabberwocky to stand upright.

Not sure if they had looked into it, but I had mentioned to a couple Reaper Peeps, the possiblity of do embedded wire on models like this and the Jabberwocky. It was quite common in toys from the 80s and 90s, you know the ones you could bend and they held the position? Anyway, that would largely deal with about half the concerns and issues people have with bones. They fellout of favor in kids toys because of safety concerns with the wires being able to be pulled out and then become dangerous for the kids.

Since they are going ahead with this one, they may have looked into it and found that it would work.

I hope not- I remember those old kind of toys. They were terrible. After playing with them enough, they'd be completely bent out of shape and all over the place. Not to mention I couldn't help but forever look at bones and remember that old bendy Santa Claus I had.

 plastictrees wrote:
Redwall is the anthropomorphic fantasy equivalent of David Eddings. You know exactly what you are getting every single time.

Is there an anthropomorphic animal version of Stephen King?

Not a fan of big spindly dragons.

I like my Bones with a bit more chunk.

 judgedoug wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Kickstarters aren't allowed to offer old product, you get your project deleted if you do.

Can offer it in the post-KS survey, just not before.

Good thing nobody blew the whistle on Kings of War, most of my pledge was existing product... three armies worth!

I don't see why a Vampire pledge couldn't be an add-on... but Reaper sells them at retail now (for $324.99) so it would be like a $200 add on,a t least, and not a hundred bucks.

I don't think anyone blew the whistle because it isn't a thing. I would have to see such a rule as I have seen literally dozens of KSs have existing inventory as part of rewards as well as other KS which are funding something intangible give existing swag as rewards. I just don't see how KS is so unregulated that somehow it would be 'against the rules' to offer non-KS funded minis as a reward package at all.

Yeah, Kickstarters offer existing product as addons and even as base pledge leves ALL the time. If it's a rule, it's one that KS doesn't bother to enforce. Perhaps it's only applicable to a KS that is just trying to resell an existing product and not create anything new?

Alas, for the Bones II, it's already in the doldrums. The stretches are pretty spread out, and nothing is cathcing my fancy. It's gonna be ~$1.6 million before I see anything new that interests me, the next dragon is all right, be we already have much better in bones already. The 5 evil guys do very little for me (Reaper has a lot of FAR better villain characters still not in bones) and that spindly dragon is a complete miss. I think they were trying for the Warhammer aesthetic but couldn't quite catch it.

I do like the info on possible wires in the figs, that would add a LOT of much needed structural integrity. Hopefully it would be possible to go back and do it to older Bones as well, I'd pay an extra 50 cents a fig for the swords to be straight and remain that way.

I guess if things really do slow down too much they can always throw some extra goals somewhere in between.

Shame there isn't a whole lot to get excited about currently. It might be neat to have some silhouettes showing up as teases for stuff further down the line.

I love all the extra evil guys - slowly expands my collection of models that are going to become a warriors army.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
Actually a thread on a certain imageboard last night mentioned an addon I'd love as someone who missed out on bones 1, a vampire box, I mean they've got the molds cut already so cost would be minimal to produce and it would certainly increase funding on this one for those of us who wussed out of the first one.

You can buy Vampire boxes on eBay for $200 or less. Prices have been dropping or sellers have tossed in additional add-ons!

I'm ninjaing Sean on this, I think it's really important for our international friends.

Project Update #36: Important Notice For International Backers Greetings!
Posted by Reaper Miniatures
Greetings!

First we’d like to thank you for your support. The speed at which this Bones 2 Kickstarter funded has both humbled us and set into motion a general panic to catch up.

Concerning International Shipping- VERY SOON™ we’ll have our Pledge Calculator online. It will allow you to choose your options and build your pledge. It will also include a shipping rate calculator.

This shipping calculator will use the rates posted on the US Postal Service website to determine the amount you’ll need to include in your pledge to cover your shipping.

Until our Pledge Calculator goes live we’ve included some information below that will help you get a rough estimate on what your shipping charges could be.

http://ircalc.usps.com

Estimated Weights:
Core Set – 4lbs (1.8kg)
Regular Figure .25oz (.01kg)
Small Dragon – 1.25oz (.04kg)
Large Figure - .35oz (.01kg)
Small Giant – 1oz (.03kg)
Very Large Dragon - 2lbs 8oz (1.2kg)
Medium Dragon - 3.5oz (.1kg)
Figure Case – 2lbs (.9kg)
Paint Set of 12 Bottles –12oz (.35kg)

Shipping Example 1: (4lbs)
Using the weights above, a Core Set alone, $100.00 declared value shipped First Class International to these countries would cost:
Poland $38.95

Australia $38.95

UK $38.95

Germany $38.95

Canada $27.35

Shipping Example 2: (6lbs 10oz)
Using the weights above, one each of everything above excluding a figure case or paints, $150.00 declared value shipped Priority International to these countries would cost:
Poland $66.90

Australia $65.25
UK $ 63.30
Germany $ 52.30

Canada $ 42.35

Shipping Example 3: (9lbs 2oz)
Using the weights above, one each of everything above, $198.00 declared value shipped Priority International to these countries would cost:
Poland $79.05

Australia $78.30
UK $72.15
Germany $60.55

Canada $49.40

The Pledge Calculator is expected to be up in a few days. We’re doing everything in our power to get it done as fast as possible, but we have just the one developer and he’s working as fast as he can. Until we get our actual Pledge Calculator online, please use the estimates above as a rough guide to determine your shipping costs.

THIS IS IMPORTANT: Please do not cancel your pledge until after you’ve used our actual Pledge Calculator to determine your actual shipping costs. We are NOT ABLE to put you back into a particular pledge level. If you drop early and someone else takes your spot, we won’t be able to help you. Thank you so much and we hope this helps. We appreciate your patience.

Cool. Now I can figure out whether it's worth going in for a Kraken or not.

I suspect I'll either end up pledging for the basic set alone or cherry picking the best off the add-ons

looking at those postal costs

Edit: I wonder whether a US based mail forwarding company would be able to do it cheaper (and if they could whether Reaper would ship to one for free for non-US backers?

Not terribly excited about the latest reveal. He honestly doesn't look like a very good sculpt. Those limbs are way too spindly and I don't know what's up with those body proportions. It's just kind of ugly, especially compared to the previous dragons they've shown. I wouldn't be against them showing a few more stretch goals though to increase backer interest.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Those spindly legs and the tall body(not to mention large head) worry me. I had enough trouble trying to get the Jabberwocky to stand upright.

Not sure if they had looked into it, but I had mentioned to a couple Reaper Peeps, the possiblity of do embedded wire on models like this and the Jabberwocky. It was quite common in toys from the 80s and 90s, you know the ones you could bend and they held the position? Anyway, that would largely deal with about half the concerns and issues people have with bones. They fellout of favor in kids toys because of safety concerns with the wires being able to be pulled out and then become dangerous for the kids.

Since they are going ahead with this one, they may have looked into it and found that it would work.

That is pure speculation! I'd be very hesitant to pledge for that model... from what I've seen of Bones, there's a very good chance it'll be wobbly with how tall and thin it is.

Just someone mentioning adding wires to them (and not the reverse) is not nearly enough to put my mind at ease about that... i.e. there is no indication from them at all that they are doing anything other than casting it like everything else, which means it'll be a risky proposition.

Image for reference... note the complete lack of their saying anything like "now supported by wires!"

They seem to be dropping in a lot of terrible, terrible sculpts in this KS. I know Reaper has a ton of better stuff to sell in Bones, but for some reason they are offering us the terrible silly-putty sculpts from the 80's. I blame the extremely insular and nostalgia-driven nature of their private message boards. Also, a lot of the hardcore RPGers have been requesting absolute garbage minis just because they happen to fill some obscure roleplaying niche that hasn't been catered to since 2nd edition DnD.

Reaper Bryan specifically told the forum that they weren't going to get all they were wishing for...

all requests were going to be passed through the twin lenses of sales data and metal casting costs

EDIT (not to say that I don't think some of the stuff really does deserve to stay in the 80's parts bin)

No sense if giving away good stuff they can sell at higher rates later, not with over a million already pledged. Reaper has its audience by the nadgers by now.

 RiTides wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Those spindly legs and the tall body(not to mention large head) worry me. I had enough trouble trying to get the Jabberwocky to stand upright.

Not sure if they had looked into it, but I had mentioned to a couple Reaper Peeps, the possiblity of do embedded wire on models like this and the Jabberwocky. It was quite common in toys from the 80s and 90s, you know the ones you could bend and they held the position? Anyway, that would largely deal with about half the concerns and issues people have with bones. They fellout of favor in kids toys because of safety concerns with the wires being able to be pulled out and then become dangerous for the kids.

Since they are going ahead with this one, they may have looked into it and found that it would work.

That is pure speculation! I'd be very hesitant to pledge for that model... from what I've seen of Bones, there's a very good chance it'll be wobbly with how tall and thin it is.

Just someone mentioning adding wires to them (and not the reverse) is not nearly enough to put my mind at ease about that... i.e. there is no indication from them at all that they are doing anything other than casting it like everything else, which means it'll be a risky proposition.

Image for reference... note the complete lack of their saying anything like "now supported by wires!"

Yes, it is speculation, which is why I said "may". They are aware of the issue with figures like the Jaberwocky (which is a very good analog to this dragon). They may have, they may not have. I know it was something which they were looking into in order to deal with a lot of the "spindly" figures which will not work as well with the softer plastic. A harder formulation is also an option, but that would require a different design to avoid undercuts and what not.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They seem to be dropping in a lot of terrible, terrible sculpts in this KS. I know Reaper has a ton of better stuff to sell in Bones, but for some reason they are offering us the terrible silly-putty sculpts from the 80's. I blame the extremely insular and nostalgia-driven nature of their private message boards. Also, a lot of the hardcore RPGers have been requesting absolute garbage minis just because they happen to fill some obscure roleplaying niche that hasn't been catered to since 2nd edition DnD.

Not sure I would call them terrible sculpts. Styles are definately varying greatly, from a hero in castle armor all the way to the various demons, mouslings to dragons. The only ones that really look dated to me are the skeletons, though I think the finer nature of some modern skeletons not translating well to Bones.

Velocithrax really has a strong mid 90s GW feel to it. The pose as well as the comedy oversize paws.
The nostalgia is nice, but he is very dated. I hope Reaper will have some new sculpts.

None of the dragons have been particularly interesting actually. Narthrax is ok , I guess, but again, there's something weird about his hands. Alas nothing is filling that Kaladrax sized hole in my heart. Boohoo.

Stylistically I would agree. That particular dragon is really more of a European fantasy dragon...not something you would find in the various D&D books from, well, ever.

Technically though, you dont see a lot of the same material and technique issues that you find on 1980s and early 1990s metal figures. The angle makes it look more comical than it is as well.



Not the silly putty dragons (and other sculpts of the 1980s. I think the closest in form to this one would have been the Wyvern from the Dragon of the Month club Grenadier did:



While it was top of the line at the time, those are not these, not by a long shot. And although I am pretty sure this will be the first goal I am not pleased with...it isnt because I think it looks like a throw back to then, rather to me, who grew up with Elmore and Caldwell dragons...it doesnt look like a dragon.

However, it is definately in the same vein as GWs dragons, and I am sure that you will see them used as Counts as for people who like GWs take on dragons.



As opposed to an "obscure roleplaying niche that hasnt been catered to since 2nd Edition D&D"...you know something like this:



Sometimes I do wax nostalgic for the artwork of that period...actually, I always do.

I wasn't talking about dragons when I used that phrase. I was talking about Reaper's "_________ Minis We Want to See" threads, which are full of things like "a half-gnome village idiot with a spatula riding a pignagel. (10 people like this post.)" Look at the posts that are just dozens of links to Reaper's most embarrassing mistakes.

And for the record, Verocirax is by far the worst dragon they've put up. Appealing to fans of GW's abandoned S-dragons is probably a lost cause, considering GW themselves have phased them out. The Big V looks like Pete's Dragon with osteoporosis and an eating disorder.

But what do I know? I only got into minis in 2003, so much that came before that period looks tacky and sad to my non-rose tinted glasses. Also, I find that dragons should either look like the works of Elmore, Parkinson, Todd Lockwood, Bob Eggleton or Michael Whelan, or they should look like someone who grants Goku's wishes. GW S-dragons just look like a horribly confused mish-mash of two different creatures.

Anyone think we'll have weekend doldrums with this kickstarter, or are will the pledges be holding steady?

 RiTides wrote:

That is pure speculation! I'd be very hesitant to pledge for that model... from what I've seen of Bones, there's a very good chance it'll be wobbly with how tall and thin it is.

Just someone mentioning adding wires to them (and not the reverse) is not nearly enough to put my mind at ease about that... i.e. there is no indication from them at all that they are doing anything other than casting it like everything else, which means it'll be a risky proposition.

Image for reference... note the complete lack of their saying anything like "now supported by wires!"

I agree. I don't see this particular figure holding it's shape or being able to support itself. Hot water doesn't always do the trick with Bones, as the Bugbear I have here who has a mace that absolutely refused to "reset" to straight despite repeated hot waterings will attest to.

In that update they talk about people cancelling their pledges due to the shipping. I find it interesting that it's already become enough of an issue that they're actually responding to it. I certainly won't be sending them a random guesstimate to cover my shipping, though. They can send me a shipping invoice for the exact amount when it's ready to ship if they want to go with actual shipping. Rereading that,it sounds more angry or whiny than it's intended to. I simply don't see a guesstimate via a weight calculator as something that's going to be accurate when the figures actually arrive in 2014, so it'll entail either sending them a "top-up" for X amount or asking for a refund for Y amount (good luck!) . Easier to just pay it once and properly (and not 12 months in advance). If they went with a flat amount of whatever, then I'd naturally pay it now.