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Siphen wrote:

One more: the option for the Tau to take a TL Burst Cannon on a Hammerhead/Skyray. You have a free exchange for a gun that's strictly better in every way (SMS).

Almost as if that option was the superior one in the previous book.

GW would never do a thing like that would they....?

For Imperial Guard, just about every single upgrade that isn't a gun, and pretty much every named character

i have to tip my hat to storm bolters for stern guard, its really about the most useless thing ever. the whole point of stern guard is speical ammo, and you cant use it with storm bolters, thou a simple FAQ saying you could would make them a boss upgrade.

and i think we will all agree the most pointless(game wise not fluff wise) up grade has to goto the dark apostal of CSM, who can take Veteran of the Long War.
i understand the fluff and i like it cause i like the fluff, but on a scale of 1 to pointless game wise, this is about as high as you get

Slipknotzim wrote:
i have to tip my hat to storm bolters for stern guard, its really about the most useless thing ever. the whole point of stern guard is speical ammo, and you cant use it with storm bolters, thou a simple FAQ saying you could would make them a boss upgrade.

and i think we will all agree the most pointless(game wise not fluff wise) up grade has to goto the dark apostal of CSM, who can take Veteran of the Long War.
i understand the fluff and i like it cause i like the fluff, but on a scale of 1 to pointless game wise, this is about as high as you get

What's really funny about it is that it's free on him, and still an option, when he already has Zealot. Also, Mark of Slaanesh on Obliterators is hilariously useless.

Daemon Hammers for GK Dreadknights. Doubles your strength (already 10), and gives you concussive...even though you already have force weapons.

According to space marine faq you may switch space marine bike bolt pistol to a chainsword. Wtf? http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3450050a_Space_Marines_v1.0_SEPTEMBER13.pdf


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 greyknight12 wrote:
Daemon Hammers for GK Dreadknights. Doubles your strength (already 10), and gives you concussive...even though you already have force weapons.

might be good against EW's?

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
According to space marine faq you may switch space marine bike bolt pistol to a chainsword. Wtf?

That's required due to the way the weapons are taken from the special weapon tables. But in and of itself, it's a bit silly.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Plasma pistols. I love them and have many modeled on but I have never used them in a game because they are never worth the points....ever. Most likely I will proxy them as grav pistols now because at those can make a guy I1 in a challenge and give my pf a chance and won't kill me when I shoot

Obviously, you've never needed to punch through 2+ armor. and now with Precision Shots, a sgt with a plasma pistol can be a deadly sniper. Risk and cost come with the AP 2 stat. Time to wear the big pants.

True on characters, however CSMs get to pay 15 points for a plasma pistol. Or they can pay 10 points for a meltagun, and 2 for an additional CCW...


It's worth remembering that many upgrades are designed for a previous edition of the game where they might have worked in a different way. although the above situation in the CSm codes does not apply and is just silly...

The hellfury missile option on the Vendetta. Why on earth would I want to replace 2 twin linked lascannons with two 1 shot missiles that are large blast str 4 ap5?

It doesn't make sense.

I mean chewbacca is a wookie from kashykk. Think about that. Why am I talking about star wars wookies on a topic about warhammer 40k gear options? It doesn't make sense!

So when you think about the Vendetta being able to replace its lascannons with hellfury missiles, remember, it doesnt make sense.

maybe you re playing orks. (against)

 Hedgehog wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Plasma pistols. I love them and have many modeled on but I have never used them in a game because they are never worth the points....ever. Most likely I will proxy them as grav pistols now because at those can make a guy I1 in a challenge and give my pf a chance and won't kill me when I shoot

Obviously, you've never needed to punch through 2+ armor. and now with Precision Shots, a sgt with a plasma pistol can be a deadly sniper. Risk and cost come with the AP 2 stat. Time to wear the big pants.

True on characters, however CSMs get to pay 15 points for a plasma pistol. Or they can pay 10 points for a meltagun, and 2 for an additional CCW...


It's worth remembering that many upgrades are designed for a previous edition of the game where they might have worked in a different way. although the above situation in the CSm codes does not apply and is just silly...

but the pistols allow the CSMs to gain an extra attack if equipped with CCWs. Meltaguns do not.

and yes, there are plenty of rules written to allow older models to be usable in newer codexes. does thwt make those rules ineffective? nope. nothing is worse than assaulting CSMs and forgetting they were equipped with knives and swords.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Hedgehog wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 FirePainter wrote:
Plasma pistols. I love them and have many modeled on but I have never used them in a game because they are never worth the points....ever. Most likely I will proxy them as grav pistols now because at those can make a guy I1 in a challenge and give my pf a chance and won't kill me when I shoot

Obviously, you've never needed to punch through 2+ armor. and now with Precision Shots, a sgt with a plasma pistol can be a deadly sniper. Risk and cost come with the AP 2 stat. Time to wear the big pants.

True on characters, however CSMs get to pay 15 points for a plasma pistol. Or they can pay 10 points for a meltagun, and 2 for an additional CCW...


It's worth remembering that many upgrades are designed for a previous edition of the game where they might have worked in a different way. although the above situation in the CSm codes does not apply and is just silly...

but the pistols allow the CSMs to gain an extra attack if equipped with CCWs. Meltaguns do not.

and yes, there are plenty of rules written to allow older models to be usable in newer codexes. does thwt make those rules ineffective? nope. nothing is worse than assaulting CSMs and forgetting they were equipped with knives and swords.

You seem to have forgotten that the meltagun replaces the bolter, so there's still the bolt pistol and the ccw, so still +1 A. The only possible reason I could imagine taking the plasma pistol over this loadout would be to keep the bolter. In that case, may as well take a plasma gun instead.

I guess another useless 'upgrade' (downgrade, sort of,) would be a Hades Autocannon on a Helldrake. With the option to switch to the baleflamer for free, I hardly imagine anyone takes it.

I'm almost certain that at some point in the history of 40k having a plasma pistol gave your close combat attacks an AP value like a power weapon.

That said I could be totally wrong, since I really can't tell you when or where that rule came from.

 Wilytank wrote:
Daemons:
Warpsword for Soul Grinder. An Ap3 weapon on a walker that already has a double strength Ap2 CCW.

And most Tzeentch character upgrades. Pyrocaster for sure, not sure about Iridescent Horror. Can you make precision shots with a brotherhood of psykers shooting attack if you have a character upgrade in the unit?

The Soul Grinder one had me scratching my head for a while when I first read it. I kept reading through the 6th Rule book looking to see if I had missed something that would make the sword better in any way.

 Madcat87 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Daemons:
Warpsword for Soul Grinder. An Ap3 weapon on a walker that already has a double strength Ap2 CCW.

And most Tzeentch character upgrades. Pyrocaster for sure, not sure about Iridescent Horror. Can you make precision shots with a brotherhood of psykers shooting attack if you have a character upgrade in the unit?

The Soul Grinder one had me scratching my head for a while when I first read it. I kept reading through the 6th Rule book looking to see if I had missed something that would make the sword better in any way.

Maybe because he gets +1A with it? Or something..

Giving him the sword gets him +1 attack, not entirely useless.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Dimensional Key.

yup


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Dimensional Key.

yup

Here's one for you a Laud Hailer.

You can get +1 faith point if you meet the following conditions:

-A unit successfully passes their faith test
-Within 12"
-On a 6+

DOOMONYOU wrote:
Giving him the sword gets him +1 attack, not entirely useless.

25 points though will definitely be better spent elsewhere.

The Mark of Khorne

[Vhuote=MrFlutterPie 555790 6115158 f44f7a96e1693589723c1f86ebbeb64d.jpg]Here's one for you a Laud Hailer.

You can get +1 faith point if you meet the following conditions:

-A unit successfully passes their faith test
-Within 12"
-On a 6+

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
The hellfury missile option on the Vendetta. Why on earth would I want to replace 2 twin linked lascannons with two 1 shot missiles that are large blast str 4 ap5?

It doesn't make sense.

I mean chewbacca is a wookie from kashykk. Think about that. Why am I talking about star wars wookies on a topic about warhammer 40k gear options? It doesn't make sense!

So when you think about the Vendetta being able to replace its lascannons with hellfury missiles, remember, it doesnt make sense.

In 5th edition this would have counted as a defensive weapon, allowing the (then skimming) Vendetta to move and fire all weapons, rather than just one. In 6th edition it makes little sense, but it did when the codex was written.

MrFlutterPie wrote:Here's one for you a Laud Hailer.

You can get +1 faith point if you meet the following conditions:

-A unit successfully passes their faith test
-Within 12"
-On a 6+

You forgot to mention that you have to pass the faith test on a 6+, then roll the Laud Hailer test and get a 6 to get the extra faith point.

Largeblastmarker wrote:maybe you re playing orks. (against)

Then you're taking a Valkyrie with MRPs for the same price.

SM TDA... You pay 15 more points than articfer armor to lose sweeps, lose DP, lose grenades, gain bulky, teleport, 5++, and relentess... Stuck with I1 and can't DS first turn. So not worth it, especially given how many sweeps you can get on xenos with an HQ.

Tycho wrote:

Dimensional Key.

This times a thousand. For all the non-sense you have to go through to get it to work (not to mention how flipping expensive the stupid thing is) you should get some additional bonus from it. Especially since most of your deep strikers have usually already arrived by the time you get the key to work.

Amen to than, I would say Daemonic Possession is pretty bash too.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Tycho wrote:

Dimensional Key.

This times a thousand. For all the non-sense you have to go through to get it to work (not to mention how flipping expensive the stupid thing is) you should get some additional bonus from it. Especially since most of your deep strikers have usually already arrived by the time you get the key to work.

Amen to than, I would say Daemonic Possession is pretty bash too.

On the storm eagle from forge world you get the choice of Extra Armour to mitigate low rolling on the vehicle damage table or being able to ignore it completely with Demonic Possession. But you then have the chance for it to randomly eat one of your men. And its removed from play, so no eternal warrior or inv's.

Its at points like this when Abaddon decides he'll walk instead.

All that and not even a 5++, which all the other demon vehicles get...

 Lobukia wrote:
SM TDA... You pay 15 more points than articfer armor to lose sweeps, lose DP, lose grenades, gain bulky, teleport, 5++, and relentess... Stuck with I1 and can't DS first turn. So not worth it, especially given how many sweeps you can get on xenos with an HQ.

Why on earth are you stuck at I1?

Also, Termies can go in Drop Pods.

Because he's got power fists.

To correct some - Orks came out in 4th, not 5th. In 4th you could elect not to use your CCW, striking at normal init instead. So they had a use (a crappy one, but still something)

This option is not present in 5th or 6th edition (they have no normall CCW in 6th, so cannot attack with it)

MoS on Oblits - Blind. It helps to be I5.

A fair chunk of the chaos dex is effectively useless - ichor blood, as pointed out, is terrible

 greyknight12 wrote:
Daemon Hammers for GK Dreadknights. Doubles your strength (already 10), and gives you concussive...even though you already have force weapons.

Greatsword is so much better. You keep your strength 10 because you still have a fist but you get to re-roll all failed hit, failed wounds and failed armour pens.