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2013/10/03 20:34:57
Subject: Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Well the UK is doubleplusgood. You aren't being a thought criminal again are you now comrade Tyranidcrusher? That's ever so doubleplusbad.
/sarcasm.
No, I do not believe it's 1984. It's a stretch to make such a claim too.
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
2013/10/03 22:41:00
Subject: Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2013/10/03 22:42:01
Subject: Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
We have newthink in the form of political correctness.
We certainly have Big Brother.
We have a surveilance society and diminishing actual civil rights.
It was worse under Blair, but some of the new tools he introduced are found to be too useful by his successors.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2013/10/03 22:53:46
Subject: Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Manchu wrote: Isn't it Cameron who wanted to ban porn to preserve Public Hygiene. Sis that get done?
No attempts to 'ban porn', burt there are attempts to limit website access, ostensibly to prevent copyright violation but with the strong possibility of knock on effects to block sites the government doesn't want the populace visiting..
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2013/10/03 22:59:03
Subject: Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Manchu wrote: Has anyone else heard that Nottingham residents call the GW building the Reichstag? Because of the big Aquilla on the building.
I mean, if only they knew right?
Heh, taking a History of the 3rd Reich course this semester for a University requirement. I'm sure my teacher would love a final essay comparing and contrasting GW business policies to the National Socialist Movement.
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BrianDavion wrote: Between the two of us... I think GW is assuming we the players are not complete idiots.
Rapidly on path to becoming the world's youngest bitter old man.
2013/10/04 00:33:08
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Compel wrote: I did like the line a read once which was a response to a question like that.
It was something along the lines of. "The fact that you're able to ask and discuss the question, by its very nature, proves we don't."
It seemed like a decent bit of food for thought for me.
Seems fair...
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2013/10/04 04:07:43
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
People talk a lot about security cameras. I kind of get the impression that people think all cameras are scary and a threat to liberty, just because they're just like 1984. But there's a big, big difference between a camera mounted in a public street with no ability to record conversations, and a camera installed in a television in your own home.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/10/04 04:38:51
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
sebster wrote: People talk a lot about security cameras. I kind of get the impression that people think all cameras are scary and a threat to liberty, just because they're just like 1984. But there's a big, big difference between a camera mounted in a public street with no ability to record conversations, and a camera installed in a television in your own home.
2013/10/04 06:24:18
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Is there a difference between government installing the device and insisting you must have it on at all times, and a piece of consumer electronics that no-one in their right mind should buy?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2013/10/04 06:28:27
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
sebster wrote: Is there a difference between government installing the device and insisting you must have it on at all times, and a piece of consumer electronics that no-one in their right mind should buy?
Security cameras aren't a problem but arresting people for making comments on the internet is. How many people have been arrested now for saying politically incorrect things on twitter, public transport and so on?
While not 1984ish, what do you call the overly zealous paranoia about law suits that sees councils do things like rope off fruit trees and place warning signs about falling fruit.
Don't know if they still do it but Worcester City did this back in 2006. Plenty of more recent examples too, I just remember this as it was especially absurd given that the trees were pear trees - the city symbol.
2013/10/04 11:26:44
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Imposter101 wrote:Well the UK is doubleplusgood. You aren't being a thought criminal again are you now comrade Tyranidcrusher? That's ever so doubleplusbad.
/sarcasm.
No, I do not believe it's 1984. It's a stretch to make such a claim too.
Ugh, amateur...
The UK is ++good. You are commiting thoughtcrime comrade Tyranidcrusher? That is so ++ungood.
On another note, we are turning into a dystopian future, but I won't be an orwellian 1984, It'll be more like those late 80's movies where the goverment exists but is completely powerless, and the world is run by the mega-corporations...
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And that is why you hear people yelling FOR THE EMPEROR rather than FOR LOGICAL AND QUANTIFIABLE BASED DECISIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE MAJORITY!
Phototoxin wrote:Kids go in , they waste tonnes of money on marnus calgar and his landraider, the slaneshi-like GW revel at this lust and short term profit margin pleasure. Meanwhile father time and cunning lord tzeentch whisper 'our games are better AND cheaper' and then players leave for mantic and warmahordes.
daveNYC wrote:The Craftworld guys, who are such stick-in-the-muds that they manage to make the Ultramarines look like an Ibiza nightclub that spiked its Red Bull with LSD.
2013/10/04 14:54:23
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Imposter101 wrote:Well the UK is doubleplusgood. You aren't being a thought criminal again are you now comrade Tyranidcrusher? That's ever so doubleplusbad.
/sarcasm.
No, I do not believe it's 1984. It's a stretch to make such a claim too.
Ugh, amateur...
The UK is ++good. You are commiting thoughtcrime comrade Tyranidcrusher? That is so ++ungood.
On another note, we are turning into a dystopian future, but I won't be an orwellian 1984, It'll be more like those late 80's movies where the goverment exists but is completely powerless, and the world is run by the mega-corporations...
But I don't have the 7th edition of the dictionary.
++sadface
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
2013/10/04 15:16:49
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Compel wrote: I did like the line a read once which was a response to a question like that.
It was something along the lines of. "The fact that you're able to ask and discuss the question, by its very nature, proves we don't."
It seemed like a decent bit of food for thought for me.
Seems fair...
The process isn't complete, and need not go as far as Oceania to qualify as Orwellian.
Besides a lot of the questions are left to certain mouths, easily discreditable. The Daily Mail never understood its role under Blair, to be the nations Goldstein, not all they said was vacuous by a long shot, but because they were the ones saying it it might as well have been.
Its a mistake to think that Big Brother silences all opposition, a shallow and nasty form of totalitarianism that would be, a deeper and even nastier kind, the kind that lasts, keeps opposition on hand, but under thumb, in order to draw out their arguments safely and under constant ridicule or accusation.
During 2 Minutes of Hate, 'Goldstein' openly presents the truth, denounces IngSoc for realistic and reasonable reasons, that its a totalitarian despotic regime that enslaves the people and the four ministries do exactly the opposite to what they declare themselves to do; but in this controlled way so all people hear is sheep like bleating and the known enemy behind it. This is how an unwelcome truth can be shut down effectively.
The film version covered this well. In the above clip Goldstein speaks reason but whatever truth he says becomes unpalatable.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2013/10/04 15:32:24
Subject: Re:Is the UK turning into Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four?
Compel wrote: I did like the line a read once which was a response to a question like that.
It was something along the lines of. "The fact that you're able to ask and discuss the question, by its very nature, proves we don't."
It seemed like a decent bit of food for thought for me.
It isn't are you allowed to ask the question.
It's is someone spying on you, and writing down your answers ?.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
Nah, we've got enough razors, but I meant like how we've got security cameras everywhere and things.
" -KingCracker
