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sure, khorne is a real douche, but is chaos all that bad? are they "evil"?

No. They're liberatarians.

To some, that might come across as evil, but that's why we elect those people, so that they can moved to the capital far, far away from the rest of us.

If, on the other hand, you think things like freedom and civil liberties and the right to worship gods that actually exist is a good thing, then welcome to chaos - the only good faction in the game.

If you're a mortal follower, then things will most likely go badly for you. You'll basically be little more than canon fodder, and could be randomly murdered/tortured/betayed by your supposed comrades if the mood strikes them, since discipline in Chaos warbands is rather slack. And then there's the possibility of randomly becoming a Chaos Spawn. Fun.

There's also the fact that you'll be mutated to some degree and have your mind twisted whether you like it or not (if you don't, you'll be corrupted until you do). You don't really get any say in your own body whatsoever.

 Ailaros wrote:
No. They're liberatarians.

Unless you disagree with whatever their particular fixation is, that is.

 raiden wrote:
sure, khorne is a real douche, but is chaos all that bad? are they "evil"?

The chaos gods are no more evil than the Imperium. They both aim to enslave mankind for their purposes. They both suck the souls out of humans. They both murder humans in large numbers oh a whim. They both get mad when you worship the non-proscribed diety.

To continue the political analogy. The Imperium and Chaos gods are kind of like the two American political parties. They are both crappy, so just pick the window dressing that you like.


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 Troike wrote:
If you're a mortal follower, then things will most likely go badly for you. You'll basically be little more than canon fodder, and could be randomly murdered/tortured/betayed by your supposed comrades if the mood strikes them....have your mind twisted whether you like it or not (if you don't, you'll be corrupted until you do). You don't really get any say in your own body whatsoever.

I thought you were writing about the Imperium there.

Some parts of chaos do make them out to be more on the "good" side than the Imperium. Khorne for instance, forbids the slaughter of the defenseless. The Imperium conducts genocide against everything non-human and sometimes people that are human whether they can defend themselves or not. Nurgle and great unclean ones seek to lead their followers like loving fathers while commissars are more likely to shoot their followers if they don't do as their told.

SkavenLord wrote:
Some parts of chaos do make them out to be more on the "good" side than the Imperium. Khorne for instance, forbids the slaughter of the defenseless. The Imperium conducts genocide against everything non-human and sometimes people that are human whether they can defend themselves or not. Nurgle and great unclean ones seek to lead their followers like loving fathers while commissars are more likely to shoot their followers if they don't do as their told.

Haven't the postive aspects of Chaos been really toned down, though? That's what I've been hearing.

bogalubov wrote:
I thought you were writing about the Imperium there.

The Imperium is guilty of some of those things, but it's certainly not as gak as Chaos. The mind twisting is just indoctrination rather than the corruption of you very soul, and there's a greatly reduced chance of your superiors deciding to grind you up and snort you as a drug on a whim.

Yep. Sure are. Pure evil itself. And heritics. They're evil heritics. Slaves to the daemon gods. That pretty much sums up chaos. Teehee.

Good question...
Maybe if chaos did take over the galaxy completely, there would be peace (kinda). ..
I think being evil is not there intention. They are a manifest of people's desires...
Tzeentch will help you in your search for knowledge...
Slaanesh will help you in your desire for fun and perfection...
Khorne will help fulfil your thirst for violence (hmmmm)
Nurgle will give you a family and purpose in life.

This seems to be more friendly than the imperium of man, who enslaves humans under a fear of the emperor and each persons Only reason for existence is to maintain the imperium and thus the tyranny of the emperors rule...

Yeah chaos are more of the good guys. But ultimately Tau are the hippies of the galaxy. Maybe elder are close behind...

The Imperium of Man are not the good guys, but Chaos . . . Chaos is defiantly the bad guys. Maybe not the worst guys, but definitely among their number.

Khorne, at his best, is a noble warrior that abhors killing of defenseless. (ofc I read that a long time ago)

Yes, but the Chaos Gods are never at *only* their noble aspects. They are a "whole package" deal. So while you might start out serving Khorne with the noblest of intentions, Chaos has a way of eroding away at your humanity, until, in the end, you are nothing but a maddened berzerker, slaying all before you in a frenzy of bloodlust and fury.

Yes, Chaos is evil. Followers of chaos are evil. Beings of chaos are really evil. Goodly people might start down the path to chaos with good intentions, but it always ends badly. (Eisenhorn, Quixos, and a score of others stand as testaments to this.)

Burn heretics in the name of the Emperor! The freedom of Chaos is certainly tempting yes, but I wouldn't want tentacles sprouting from various parts of my body. The Imperium has good intentions for humanity, but it's just flawed in the way it runs things.

Chaos on the other hand is completely random and you will never know if you will turn out to be a glorious daemon prince or be turned into a spawn.

But... but... Papa Nurgle just wants to give you gifts!

Evil, pure evil. Anything that might seem good, is just the seductive quality of chaos. That being said, Choas followers might have some shades of grey... But they are following the purest forms if evil in the galaxy.

At least your chances of becoming a prince or spawn are equal!

Chaos has a set of broad, defined goals, and much like today's Christians, their followers interpret their gods' will differently. Head-hunting for Khorne is not much different from the Crusades of the dark ages, both were acts of worship with the intentions of furthering the influence of the warriors' diety. From the outside they seem evil, but internally, Chaos followers are pure. They share a close bond with their gods, and actively follow the creed of their specific patron.

And to those claiming "ew, Chaos mutation," if a physical sign that your god is paying attention to you manifests on your body, I'd imagine you'd get pretty hyped.

Chaos, while not the nicest faction, can be considered one of the "good" parties, as there is always a greater goal to aspire to, even in the guise of personal gain that a lot of Chaos followers fall into.

 A sane man wrote:
But... but... Papa Nurgle just wants to give you gifts!

Nurgle just loves all creatures equally. As such, he gives equal gifts to both you, and to each of the trillion bacteria living inside of you.

Don't think you're more special just because you're bigger than an ebola.

I sense a lot of chaos dislike here. lol

I dislike Chaos. More specifically I dislike the Warp. Even if my presence causes a Shadow in it...

SkavenLord wrote:
Some parts of chaos do make them out to be more on the "good" side than the Imperium. Khorne for instance, forbids the slaughter of the defenseless. The Imperium conducts genocide against everything non-human and sometimes people that are human whether they can defend themselves or not.

Khorne doesn't care from where blood flows, only that it does. Cowards that refuse to fight must be killed by the orders of Khorne. He's also not above stabbing people in the back.

 ChaosCrusader wrote:
Good question...
Maybe if chaos did take over the galaxy completely, there would be peace (kinda). ..
I think being evil is not there intention. They are a manifest of people's desires...
Tzeentch will help you in your search for knowledge...
Slaanesh will help you in your desire for fun and perfection...
Khorne will help fulfil your thirst for violence (hmmmm)
Nurgle will give you a family and purpose in life.

No. The Chaos gods are equally at war with each other as much as they are against the Imperium. If Chaos conquered the galaxy, the gods would return their attention to The Great Game. Followers of each of the gods would continuously battle each other in a war that probably would never end.

Kind of off topic, I would much rather be killed by followers of Khorne than any other chaos god. The don't want to draw out your death and make your soul suffer in the warp, they just want your skull, which is so incoveniently attached to the rest of your body.

Chaos is evil.

They even admit it themselves and relish in it and bathe in the blood of those that they consider not evil. They adore evil and wish that they could figure out ways to be more evil because that is how they measure their egos, by how much more evil they are than the next chaos guy.

Chaos are the people who say, with a straight face and complete seriousness, "let no good deed go unpunished; let no evil be unrewarded".

There's one thing to talk about the peasants who worship because they're desperate and etc, but they are powerless within the system of Chaos, tools to be used and sacrificed and tossed aside as daemonfood. The Imperium is dark and oppressive, but it is dark and oppressive in service to the greater whole of humanity. Chaos is dark and oppressive just for the gaks and the giggles. They grab a child from it's mother's breast, slit its throat, and drink its blood because they want to watch the mother suffer. They trick a man in to selling his daughters to Slaanesh because it was funny. They spread rebellion and hate because they were bored and it felt like a fun thing to do. They dump diseased feces in drinking water so that they can use the disease to forcibly convert others to their religion of sickly suffering and despair.

And they relish every second of it, acknowledging that they're evil and saying "so what? got a problem with it, huh?"

 raiden wrote:
I sense a lot of chaos dislike here. lol

And what, exactly, is there to like or admire about Chaos?

 curran12 wrote:

 raiden wrote:
I sense a lot of chaos dislike here. lol

And what, exactly, is there to like or admire about Chaos?

In the words of William Wallace, "FREEEEDOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

 raiden wrote:
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There is no freedom in Chaos.

The forces of Chaos are one of hte only places that are MORE oppressive than the Imperium.

 raiden wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

 raiden wrote:
I sense a lot of chaos dislike here. lol

And what, exactly, is there to like or admire about Chaos?

In the words of William Wallace, "FREEEEDOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

Um...noooo. Pretty much there's no freedom as a follower of Chaos.

Cultist? Hah. That's funny. You're as expendable (perhaps moreso) as ammunition, but it isn't your call.

A Marine? You're still in a warband or legion, where you're being told what to do by those bigger and stronger Lords. And yeah, they aren't exactly the democratic types.

A Lord? Hey great! You're dancing for your God(s) of choice!

A daemon prince? Even better! You are literally slaved to the will of your god!

SO I am slaved to doing what I wanted to do in the first place?

 raiden wrote:
SO I am slaved to doing what I wanted to do in the first place?

So being a god's little plaything to mutate at their whim was your plan? Assuming you survived your allies stabbing you in the back.

Alright.

I'm asked myself this for all of the factions and it always comes down to "how do you define evil?".

My usual conclusion is "yes, but so is everyone else (except for the Orks and Tyranids, arguably) so no one is" because contemplating the nature of good and evil makes my head hurt.

nids are evil, if chaos is evil, also, I don't see how the eldar are evil in any way, (snooty, perhaps)but that hardly warrents evil, and Orks, ahh, good ole fun loving orks, can be seen as evil for their love of violence, (almost makes khorne shed a tear ;')