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 Pacific wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
WOW!!!!!

I lost count of how many years I waited for some good avp 28mm's, specially Xenomorphs... Prodos if you get this right and prepare things for next salute release you will make a small fortune.

Me too.. I think for anyone who is a fan of the movies/comics, wants a 'counts-as' for their Tyranid armies etc. think these will be extremely popular.

Hopefully they will release some special characters that tie in with Aliens - hell, even some 'survival horror' game with the largely unarmed crew trying to take on the single xenomorph as in Aliens, would be extremely popular!

And there are actually even some special characters already released under different names as part of the Sedition Wars KS (Ripley, Vasquez from Aliens, not sure about any others?)

A: Many different types, movies, books, games
v: Male and Female
P: Movie size so Human truescale 28mm, P = truescaled 28mm. Human ~6 foot, P~7.5Foot

Prodos wrote:

P: Movie size so Human truescale 28mm, P = truescaled 28mm. Human ~6 foot, P~7.5Foot

So it looks as if everything will be just fine!

I think they just don't want the preds being closer to 35mm in height? Not really seeing the problem myself...

 Alpharius wrote:
I still don't get what you're going on about?

That Predators should be bigger than Colonial Marines, though at 28mm it's hard to do without looking silly.

Not really?

Look at the more recent Infinity range to see how it isn't that hard to do.

I have no expertise in the matter but I don't see how making one mini a head taller than another is any sort of issue.

The xenomorphs are also bigger then humans. At least in the first alien.

Male and female USMC minis, that's great news! Even better if they are multi-part plastics, would love to be able to rebuild my A:CM buddies for the tabletop.

All Prodos miniatures are multipart Pro-Cast

Prodos wrote:
All Prodos miniatures are multipart Pro-Cast

Team bug bait lives again!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have no expertise in the matter but I don't see how making one mini a head taller than another is any sort of issue.

It's not about one miniature, but a complete army. Have a look at the FFG Warzone/WOW or Spartan Dystopian Legions range to see how successfull 40+mm miniatures can be.

Make it 30-33mm (25mm round base) and you can use it as Kroot, Tau, Infinity Morat, Orks, Catachans. Make it 40mm and you can use it ... for this game only. Same with Aliens.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have no expertise in the matter but I don't see how making one mini a head taller than another is any sort of issue.

It's not about one miniature, but a complete army. Have a look at the FFG Warzone/WOW or Spartan Dystopian Legions range to see how successfull 40+mm miniatures can be.

Make it 30-33mm (25mm round base) and you can use it as Kroot, Tau, Infinity Morat, Orks, Catachans. Make it 40mm and you can use it ... for this game only. Same with Aliens.

So what you're saying is that Predators shouldn't be taller than Humans in the same scale because people might want to use them as Ork proxies?

Still not seeing the problem here. Sounds like a load of whining? Why should they be concerned if you want to use toy soldier A in game B? It's not mad for game B, and if you want to use predators as proxies that bad then a lot of alternatives have been shown already.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have no expertise in the matter but I don't see how making one mini a head taller than another is any sort of issue.

It's not about one miniature, but a complete army. Have a look at the FFG Warzone/WOW or Spartan Dystopian Legions range to see how successfull 40+mm miniatures can be.

Make it 30-33mm (25mm round base) and you can use it as Kroot, Tau, Infinity Morat, Orks, Catachans. Make it 40mm and you can use it ... for this game only. Same with Aliens.

So what you're saying is that Predators shouldn't be taller than Humans in the same scale because people might want to use them as Ork proxies?

It does sound like it...

I think "counts as" isn't much of a concern here.

Unless they go full on Dystopian on us!

 doc1234 wrote:
Why should they be concerned if you want to use toy soldier A in game B?

Tripling sales?
I vote for making Predators a bit larger, but not by very much, say half a head.

Reminds me: Selling heads separately might bring extra income.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
Why should they be concerned if you want to use toy soldier A in game B?

Tripling sales?

Internet Hyperbole Alert!

I think the AvP audience is pretty big.

They should be ok, especially since we already know the scale will work for many ranges.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
Why should they be concerned if you want to use toy soldier A in game B?

Tripling sales?

Internet Hyperbole Alert!

I think the AvP audience is pretty big.

They should be ok, especially since we already know the scale will work for many ranges.

Agreed, joke all you want about the AvP films but before that the range and whatnot was nothing to be sniffed at.

As for the tripling sales, that's a nice bonus at most. Like with PP, you CAN use their mini's for counts as 40K or whatever, doesn't mean they make them like they do with that in mind though.

Predators clearly should be a hear or so taller than a tall man

(if that cuts out counts as so be it, although why a whole alien species being taller than a human would be a problem I'm not sure)

It's how they do the aliens that's a bigger issue, as these changed size/shape a lot depending on what film they were in

I think Kroot has a valid point, but it would be dropping a dollar to pick up a dime. It's an AVP license first. Making AVP fans comfortable enough to go all in (i.e. scaling preds, aliens and humans as seen in the movies) should be top priority over possible sales for counts as proxies.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 doc1234 wrote:
Why should they be concerned if you want to use toy soldier A in game B?

Tripling sales?

Internet Hyperbole Alert!

I think the AvP audience is pretty big.

They should be ok, especially since we already know the scale will work for many ranges.

I second this, plus one could always say Preds very in size from Pred to Pred.....


I am a fan of the multiple heads idea!

IIRC Predators do vary in size, with the females being larger than males, again, not a die-hard fan, so I could be wrong there.

If it were me, I'd make the marines be around Imperial Guard proxy sized, but make the predators and xenos be scaled properly to match... so, taller.

Prodos wrote:A: Many different types, movies, books, games
v: Male and Female
P: Movie size so Human truescale 28mm, P = truescaled 28mm. Human ~6 foot, P~7.5Foot

This sounds better and better.

I could give two gaks about people wanting to use Predators as Orks in 40k.

A Predator should be Predator height. They should be in-scale to the other miniatures within it's own range.

That's like saying "please don't make Aliens stand up straight like we see the Alien do in the first film because Genestealers don't strand up straight!"

I'd say awareness of Aliens, Predator, and AVP is roughly several orders of magnitude greater than any Games Workshop IP, so you shouldn't hamstring yourself by appealing to three or four people that would want to use Predators as Orks (?!)


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Can. not. wait

Bring it!!!

You know... maybe wait a while until some of the existing KS projects deliver. I just had a look through my budget spreadheet and realized to my great dismay that I had pledged a total of €1376 to various Kickstarters and so far only €166 of that stuff has been actually delivered (Bones 1 and a PC game). I think I need a break from throwing money at people without seeing any product.

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC Predators do vary in size, with the females being larger than males, again, not a die-hard fan, so I could be wrong there.

All correct. I even seem to recall for one series a predator that was referred to as Shorty. Also xenomorphs can vary in size and appearance depending on the host it was spawned from. (This idea spawned an entire toy line).

The idea that fempreds are bigger/meaner comes from the Perrys' AvP novel trilogy. Now, I really love those books (and Steve Perry's Alien trilogy, too) but let's not treat them as "canon" especially now that Fox is making such a distinction regarding the new Alien novel trilogy coming out next year.

Rest assured, I don't care about the books or any of that other baggage, all I care about is proper bug bait USCM minis!

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
IIRC Predators do vary in size, with the females being larger than males, again, not a die-hard fan, so I could be wrong there.

All correct. I even seem to recall for one series a predator that was referred to as Shorty. Also xenomorphs can vary in size and appearance depending on the host it was spawned from. (This idea spawned an entire toy line).

Yes, regarding the first point that was from the AvP comics, believe Machiko's nickname for one of the Predator hunting pack?

Also hoping for a miniature of 'Broken Tusk'

I think the human-spawned xenomorph is more than 7ft tall when standing at full height (they look pretty massive in some scenes in the first 2 movies), although much less a lot of the time with all 4 limbs on the ground.

Manchu wrote:Now, I really love those books (and Steve Perry's Alien trilogy, too) but let's not treat them as "canon" especially now that Fox is making such a distinction regarding the new Alien novel trilogy coming out next year.

Think those books will always be 'canon' for true fans, they broke the new ground and especially considering Earth Hive (and I think the others?) were made into comic books. I'm not really sure what the new books could do to make them non-canon?

If I'm allowed to post this quickly, for any Aliens fans if you haven't read these books you should definitely pick this up:



This story was the basis for the original script for Alien 3 apparently, you had a proper continuation for Hicks and Newt, before 20th Century Fox got cold feet about Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) not being in the film and scrapped it.