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With all due respect, I mailed Prodos couple of times. I only received a peep from them, when I was dropping verbal bombs. Nice and civil mails got ignored.
I really don't know what's wrong with this company. Do we have to beg for the rest of the KS stuff later on?

Please Mr Rob,
We know, we mean less than the feces of a lowly dog to you, but would you find it in that cesspit of vitriolic hate you have for us backers to ship us the stuff we paid months if not years ago?

In humble servitute, a backer.

OK, maybe not as rearcrawling as it can be, but I think it's not too far off.

Friday AvP update postponed
September 18, 2015 Leave a comment

Good Morning, Afternoon and Evening guys,

Sadly, due to circumstances out of our control there will not be an update today. We will post one at the beginning of next week as we are aware there are some imminent questions that some of you would like to be answered.

We apologize for the delay and hope you have a wonderful weekend. If we can update you sooner, we will do.

Cheers again,
Prodos Games LTD

Did their 56k modem break down? Or they ran out of packing tape and can't run to the supermarket to get another roll? I wonder what the emergency is that they can't write a few paragraphs about their massively delayed project.

Maybe they hit another snag and need the weekend to think over how to best candy-coat it all?

Maybe Fox sent the Terminator to fix history ...

I am translating that as

What I assume Prodos said wrote:Hey guys, once again we tried to sneak a change on you and got busted being less than honest about it. Now we need to figure out the best way to lay blame on someone other than ourselves while at the same time giving the appearance we sympathize with you and are working to resolve it. Once we figure out how to do so while carefully ensuring we don't actually promise you anything or provide concrete info, we'll get back with you.

So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

 Moses Bad wrote:
With all due respect, I mailed Prodos couple of times. I only received a peep from them, when I was dropping verbal bombs.

As I don't know when it was sent or who was working at the time since they have made multiple changes of emails, I unfortunately can't comment further. I can tell you that I received responses from 6 months before GenCon and I got stuff corrected after GenCon. Having received replacements I haven't had further communication with them... other than some other projects but was told sculpting is busy until late October. Every Kickstarter I've dealt with I've just been fortunate to not have any issues getting responses and replacements so I can only give advice on what worked for me. *shrugs*

 CptJake wrote:
I am translating that as

What I assume Prodos said wrote:Hey guys, once again we tried to sneak a change on you and got busted being less than honest about it. Now we need to figure out the best way to lay blame on someone other than ourselves while at the same time giving the appearance we sympathize with you and are working to resolve it. Once we figure out how to do so while carefully ensuring we don't actually promise you anything or provide concrete info, we'll get back with you.

Now that is real Rumor Control. Finally some honest communication about the project!

 Alex C wrote:
So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

Pics or it didnt happen.

never mind

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

Pics or it didnt happen.

It was a while ago, and it was a PM so I'll keep it private, but it's been bothering me and I was just curious if anyone else who regularly highlights Prodos' faux pas or levied criticism against them has received similar treatment.

There should be more accountability in all sorts of things in society. That can come through regularly reminding people of something's history.

If only Prodos had been in politics, they might have got away with more

One upon a time, long long ago when the warzone KS appeared and nobody knew who Prodos were

I posted the names of the company directors in response to a 'who are these guys & what have they done?' question having pulled the info out of companies house via google

and was politely asked to remove them (I'm still not sure why as there was nothing negative floating about at that time)

 Alex C wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

Pics or it didnt happen.

It was a while ago, and it was a PM so I'll keep it private, but it's been bothering me and I was just curious if anyone else who regularly highlights Prodos' faux pas or levied criticism against them has received similar treatment.

From what I recall you did pursue them like a terrier in other threads they posted when they still came to these forums in person.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
One upon a time, long long ago when the warzone KS appeared and nobody knew who Prodos were

I posted the names of the company directors in response to a 'who are these guys & what have they done?' question having pulled the info out of companies house via google

and was politely asked to remove them (I'm still not sure why as there was nothing negative floating about at that time)

Interesting - I've posted links to the company financials and directors' comings and goings and no one's ever PM'd me to moan. It would amuse me if they did though. Words 2 & 3 would be "... right off".

Actually I've just checked and it seems it was the business addresses that seemed to be the main issue rather than specifically the names

(I miss-remembered... sorry Prodos.... but still have the PMs)

I guessed it was probably a private address they'd just used to set up the company (probably one of their homes) so I took it down (if anybody had wanted to find out they could have found it themselves fairly easily)

 BrookM wrote:
From what I recall you did pursue them like a terrier in other threads they posted when they still came to these forums in person.

I've seen much worse vitriol and hate directed at them in this cesspit of a thread though...

 Alex C wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

Pics or it didnt happen.

It was a while ago, and it was a PM so I'll keep it private, but it's been bothering me and I was just curious if anyone else who regularly highlights Prodos' faux pas or levied criticism against them has received similar treatment.

I have not gotten any, which makes me feel like I've ben slacking. I was pretty sure I was one of the most blunt critics of their behavior. Maybe I need to step up my game.

 Alex C wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
So did anyone else ever get a PM from Prodos on Dakka asking you to stop hating on them?

Or was it just me?

Pics or it didnt happen.

It was a while ago, and it was a PM so I'll keep it private, but it's been bothering me and I was just curious if anyone else who regularly highlights Prodos' faux pas or levied criticism against them has received similar treatment.

That's kind of hilarious. Do they really think that they can ask people to stop being angry?

Especially after branding one group of said people as existing in a "cesspit of vitriol and hate"?

Nope, none here. And nobody can argue, I'm holding back in any kind.

Just once I'd like them to give us a straight answer. One time.

Many posts ago I thought Kingdom Death, Rum and Bones and Journey Wrath of Demons would all beat AVP to my doorstep. Today KD:M wave 1 arrived and still no sign of AVP.

Prodos are at a show a 30min drive away. Giving a copy of AVP as a prize. (It's for charity so that's nice of them). Don't know if it worth making a special journey though since they've not suggested collecting pledges.

Perhaps there was no update yesterday since they were going to the show. But still, that'd have been an easy update. "Going to a show tomorrow, brb"

PomWallaby wrote:
Many posts ago I thought Kingdom Death, Rum and Bones and Journey Wrath of Demons would all beat AVP to my doorstep. Today KD:M wave 1 arrived and still no sign of AVP.

Prodos are at a show a 30min drive away. Giving a copy of AVP as a prize. (It's for charity so that's nice of them). Don't know if it worth making a special journey though since they've not suggested collecting pledges.

Perhaps there was no update yesterday since they were going to the show. But still, that'd have been an easy update. "Going to a show tomorrow, brb"

Is that Dragondaze? I think they pulled out of that show about a week ago - worth double checking before making a journey.

Hi there !!

So after sending my email to Michal yesterday about receiving à retail version instead of backer version... 1 hour later (yeah ! 1 hour !! O_O) the big boss Jarek himself answered me !!

Hi there, 1st off all, thanks for you support in translation to French.

We still haven got printed French version of the game, at this stage is only German and Spanish which went to print.

The Flamer template was removed from the game due to being obsolete, it;s not been used at all in the game and we have been receiving a lot of questions about "how to use the templates", nor the wargaming version of the AvP will be using them, so we have decided to remove them as you won't use them with the game.

The White Box was removed due to quality issues, some customers have reported that the box scratched the surface of the tiles during transportation, thus we needed to remove it for quality improvement.

There was a mistake with the tiles (not enough infested one vs needed for some missions, thus we have taken this opportunity to fix that mistake to v1.

As for tokens, it's also changed due to quality issues, thicker tokens, after few games have shown delamination of the graphic/card board token, thus we needed to make it thinner to make sure they, after some heavy usage won't delaminate. Also it was causing issues on stamping (small elements, like Hide or Sentry tokens where delaminating after some use). In general, this way we have make sure that your game will last for longer and you wont have any issues with the quality of the product.

So it's now clear and official : the retail version is the same as the KS version...

And due to the fact I could write directly to Jarek, I write a lot, giving my opinion about all this mess since the beginning :

Hello my Dear Jarek,

Thank you so much : finally I feel that my question has been heard !!

Jarek, as you take the time to respond me, I'll try to keep the more objective than I can as backer of your project and I wish you can hear me.

About the template, ok for the moment, it's obsolete and you've very much asked for its use... But correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that these questions were from backers non ? It only came from the customers who could grab a retail version isnt'it ? We, backers, were always aware about these templates and we waited for it... I waited for it because I would use it in my personnal wargame play...

How could you decide to remove them without telling anything to your backers Jarek ? How can we, backers, admit it more than an another unfair fault of prodos ?

I still would keep objective and polite as I can, but you would understand it's more and more difficult for me... And for all those who must wait without anything : I'm so so disgusted by prodos behaviour. You cannot think how I am.

At the beginning, I felt very happy when I put an eye (and the other) on your KS campaign... The spirit of crowdfunding deals with, more than banks and other business professionals, on the confidence (firstly) and the respect (secondly). Backers aren't anonymous wallets you can take the money and just answer "We're busy ok ? We cannot tell you anything for that moment. It's not our fault". I take the view that backers can hear everything... if you show them your best respect as they chose to give you their confidence...

We know that a crowdfunding project is rarely developped without difficulties : late, mistakes, misundertoods... all that could happen to all and backers could forgive you... if you show them your respect... And it starts by saying the truth.

I would lie if I tell you that you make me happy. Moreover, in early 2014, you wrote an update in which, after a lot of "mistakes" (to be polite) you told us that you heard us and you would fix all the problems AND you would be honest in your communication... And what you gave us ? Nothing but lie, silence, very bad answers etc etc etc... How can you think backers would react ? At this current time, all of your backers (and to be honest I'm in) think that you take our money, you made all what you wanted without telling anything and now you make profits leaving us in a total blackout... And because of that, you lost all your credit from us. What a big shame whereas we all believe in you...

I read you last update when you're complaining about the fact that some of your employees would be attacked by angry peoples... Of course it's a very bad situation for everyone and more for your employees (can you tell them my support and my thoughts ?). Violence is never an option or a solution and I hate it... But hey, Jareck, how could you thought this couldn't happen ? Be aware that some backers put a big lot of money in your project and all they see is retailers sell tons of AVP boxes while they must endure "Ho ho ho ! Your boxes will ship very soon guys !! Be patient, have faith !!"... How could you react with someone who take your money... and suddenly keep silence or show that money you give goes directly on the hands of the rest of the world except your own pocket ? You exploded all our patience since very long time...

Honestly, I hated you and prodos for all this lies, silences empty promises "backers will be shipped 25th june" "backers will be shipped first be sure of that"... I really hated you. I worked on the french translation not for you but to give the opportunity to all the french speakers could have something to smile despite all this fog. That's why if I can see your courtesy, I'm not waiting for your thanks. Now, I passed hate, I'm just disgusted, roughly disgusted.

Maybe you're a gentle person in your private life, Jarek ; I really hope so, you know... But at this point how backers can trust you ? The path will be very long for you to aim our respect and our confidence... If you want to do so... But it's never too late despite the fact there is a lot of peoples who would not buy your products (like me). A video when you explain us all the situation (with all the informations we grab here and there, without strass, without "hey hey !! We're proud to announce that XXX !!! You backers are really great !!" but just with you and the truth would be great. Please.

So I'll end this very long mail now. Just 3 last questions :

- When the french translation will be ready, can we have (with my 2 others franch translators fellows) a french rulebook + cards please ?

- When all the backers will receive their boxes ? I can't understand we, backers, must still wait one more second. I can't understand my american friends must wait one more second as you told us you shipped tons of boxes to ninja division.

- What is the real situation about add-ons ? Totally approved or not ? When you'll ship it to us ?

Thank you very much for reading me. I think you probably won't answer at all my questions... But I took the opportunity to tell you how I'm desappointed... Nevertheless I wish you to see the light very soon and you'll see that there is a lot of backers who just wait for their due.

Cheers,

Morikun

And immediatly (really immediately : less than 5 minutes !!) Jarek answered me :

Hi there I totally understand, however making a change is not that simple, we cannot have 2 different tiles sheets from manufacturing, picking and packing point of view as this would cost more that we have made on KS and we are nnot asking you (backers) to cover an extra 30% on manufacturing cost increase to the cost we have been given in 2013 when the KS was launched? . I understand that you are not interested in hearing that, but this is the most hones answer I can give you.


- When the french translation will be ready, can we have (with my 2 others franch translators fellows) a french rulebook + cards please ?

Jarek: Yes, once is ready, we are in discussion with distributor, and we will make it only if we met minimum production demands... printing just 100 copies is not an option due to cost (it would cost 10 Euro per game more?) But we will keep you updated about the French version


- When all the backers will receive their boxes ? I can't understand we, backers, must still wait one more second. I can't understand my american friends must wait one more second as you told us you shipped tons of boxes to ninja division.

Jarek: We are shipping them on daily basis, thus backers are receiving them every day.


- What is the real situation about add-ons ? Totally approved or not ? When you'll ship it to us ?

Jarek: Soon, we are shipping from this week add-ons with backers orders.

I let you make your own opinion... -.-'

Serviteur,

Morikun

This is bull gak.

Even though I had pretty much made up my mind to sell my stuff if/when I got it, I had assumed being able to sell the KS version would mean I may not lose as much. Now they have taken even that from me.

feth Prodos.

Does this mean, because I received one of the first batches, I won't have enough tiles in the game as it is?
Yaih, good thing I pledged for two games!

I think it's more that you'll have too many tiles (for the pre-set scenarios) in the original KS version

richred_uk wrote:


Is that Dragondaze? I think they pulled out of that show about a week ago - worth double checking before making a journey.

News from a mate in Dragondaze is, no sign of Prodos.

(Perhaps they're running late)

I went for a walk by the pond in the sunshine and saw the ducks instead.