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 djones520 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why the feth shouldnt it? These are people who are stuck in a crapppy situation and looked down upon. The idea of "Generatinal Welfare" is a near myth

See... this is why it's hard to have this sort of conversation...

What is "comfortable"?


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So if im on welfare, I cant enjoy a nice Pepsi once and awhile?


Nope. Not with your EBT or SNAP or food stamps. You're on the people's dime, you don't get luxuries. Soda is a luxury. It shouldn't be remotely comfortable to be on it.


So if im on the peoples dime i deserve to be miserable? A bed is a luxury. I don't get to sleep on a bed then huh? do I not get to have hot water because that is a luxery. Look at what your saying, you are saying because someone is on foodstamps, they deserve to me miserable.


I think you've taken not being able to buy a soda to someplace far off the map.
   
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No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.


Apparently your definition of comfrotable varies with others.

A full stomach, a roof over you, a soft place to lay your head. That is all that you really need to be comfortable. Face rotting sugar drinks shouldn't enter this equation.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why the feth shouldnt it? These are people who are stuck in a crapppy situation and looked down upon. The idea of "Generatinal Welfare" is a near myth


I can't tell if you're being serious?

Being on social services shouldn't be comfortable because you're dependent on the state (read: taxpayers) for your livelyhood. You're not entitled to, nor do you deserve, luxury food items.

Were it up to me, you'd get something like this:

Milk
Eggs
Chicken
Rice
Potatoes
Oatmeal
Fruits
Veggies

Then you'd learn how to actually prepare decent meals for your family with that gak. Most libraries offer free cooking courses. Many farmers markets do as well.

 
   
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Anyone exploiting this should be punished by a restriction on their card over time until the full amount + a % is balanced out to the working people of nation.

The cards have names on, so that shouldn't be an issue. They will need to endure a hardship due to their greed and lack of honesty.

For the good of the nation-state and it's productive citizens.

No one will be prosecuted.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.


We wholeheartedly disagree.

You don't "deserve to be comfortable" on social services. In fact, it should be uncomfortable. You should WANT to get off it. That specific lack of comfort should serve as a primary motivating factor to get off of it.

 
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why the feth shouldnt it? These are people who are stuck in a crapppy situation and looked down upon. The idea of "Generatinal Welfare" is a near myth


I can't tell if you're being serious?

Being on social services shouldn't be comfortable because you're dependent on the state (read: taxpayers) for your livelyhood. You're not entitled to, nor do you deserve, luxury food items.

Were it up to me, you'd get something like this:

Milk
Eggs
Chicken
Rice
Potatoes
Oatmeal
Fruits
Veggies

Then you'd learn how to actually prepare decent meals for your family with that gak. Most libraries offer free cooking courses. Many farmers markets do as well.


Funny enough, the one bit of "welfare" that I do collect, that list (sans chicken and potatos) pretty much sums up what I am allowed to purchase.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.


Yes, but you escalated not being able to buy a soda to having no bed or hot water. I was waiting for the next bit where people on food stamps were rooting naked in the fields.
I know you mean well, but I stated in an earlier post, if someone is eating on the taxpayer dime, perhaps they can eat a bit more healthy choices than stuff that would send them to the doctor or dentist on our dime.
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why the feth shouldnt it? These are people who are stuck in a crapppy situation and looked down upon. The idea of "Generatinal Welfare" is a near myth


I can't tell if you're being serious?

Being on social services shouldn't be comfortable because you're dependent on the state (read: taxpayers) for your livelyhood. You're not entitled to, nor do you deserve, luxury food items.

Were it up to me, you'd get something like this:

Milk
Eggs
Chicken
Rice
Potatoes
Oatmeal
Fruits
Veggies

Then you'd learn how to actually prepare decent meals for your family with that gak. Most libraries offer free cooking courses. Many farmers markets do as well.


I'd be generous and include flour, salt, baking soda, and maybe white sugar. Yeast would qualify too. Including the items to make bread radically increases the number of variations of still reasonably healthy meals you can make.

On the other hand, I suppose carbs are luxuries..

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 daedalus wrote:

I'd be generous and include flour, salt, baking soda, and maybe white sugar. Yeast would qualify too. Including the items to make bread radically increases the number of variations of still reasonably healthy meals you can make.

On the other hand, I suppose carbs are luxuries..


Naw, I'd totally include those, and I meant to, but I didn't know how to group them (baking products?). I'd also include pre made pasta.

In fact, I'd encourage it, especially over prepackaged meals, and especially since carbs are filling.

Honestly, if I was still single, my diet would probably consist of things from that list. I'd be eating a ton of pasta and a ton of rice and chicken.

But my wife like a diverse meal menu.... Tuna steak on the menu tonight..... don't know how I'm going to prepare it yet.

 
   
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 djones520 wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What about people that do not want to eat all those vegetables and produce? And what is "Healthy" I think the current system is fine. Also what is the definition of "Junk Food" is jelly and peanut butter Junk food? Are Tortilla chips? What about sweets? Or do poor people not allowed sweets.


Poor people are not allowed a taste of what hard-working, real Americans can eat because they are obviously lazy and stupid. If they were hard-working, real Americans then they wouldn't be poor would they.

We should change EBT so they can only buy dog and cat food in a can. That would teach and shame them to do better!


And this is why we can't honestly discuss this topic. *rolls eyes*


And yet, what do we see from people a few posts away, the same idea I just skewered in my quote. Mad that I beat you to it?

I will have a serious discussion once we move into serious territory and not just "I got Mine" and moral outrage claptrap.


Everyone knows peopel who are completely demoralized, treated like dogs, and without hope will only work harder to make their lives better. Gee, it's like common knowledge Hotsauceman! Most people on government assistance get off of it again. Therefore, we should make it more miserable because the discomfort we have now isn't making it miserable enough!

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Not getting dragged into this argument again... /popcorn.

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 Easy E wrote:

And yet, what do we see from people a few posts away, the same idea I just skewered in my quote. Mad that I beat you to it?

I will have a serious discussion once we move into serious territory and not just "I got Mine" and moral outrage claptrap.


Everyone knows peopel who are completely demoralized, treated like dogs, and without hope will only work harder to make their lives better. Gee, it's like common knowledge Hotsauceman! Most people on government assistance get off of it again. Therefore, we should make it more miserable because the discomfort we have now isn't making it miserable enough!



I'm curious sometimes if you read what you type before you click to post. Like DJones said, it's impossible to discuss this like adults with you when you're dealing in such outlandish hyperbole.

You want more? Work. For. It. Have some accountability. At my wife's school, when a kid forgets their lunch money, they can get free lunch from the cafeteria. They get some PB&J and a piece of fruit. Guess how many of them forget their lunch or lunch money two days in a row?

 
   
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 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.


We wholeheartedly disagree.

You don't "deserve to be comfortable" on social services. In fact, it should be uncomfortable. You should WANT to get off it. That specific lack of comfort should serve as a primary motivating factor to get off of it.

The Primary reason people dont leave is because it is it uncomfortable. It is because it is hard to have a job where you can feed kids if you are alone in raising them. People rarely stay one welfare bacause it is all candy. It is embarassing to ask "How do I do EBT with this machine"


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No. they are saying they don't deserve to be comfortabl. im saying they least deserve some luxuries like soda and cookies.


Yes, but you escalated not being able to buy a soda to having no bed or hot water. I was waiting for the next bit where people on food stamps were rooting naked in the fields.
I know you mean well, but I stated in an earlier post, if someone is eating on the taxpayer dime, perhaps they can eat a bit more healthy choices than stuff that would send them to the doctor or dentist on our dime.

He was saying that they dont deserve to be comfortable, I was trying to say that "Comfotable" is very subjective, Maybe it is OOT comparison. And yes they could afford to eat healthier foods. My cousin with four kids does. She made great meals before she left welfare. Healthy and good(She did have her own garden too) but every once in awhile her kids wanted soda, or she was too sick to cook so she threw in a frozen pizza. What im trying to say is that banning those items just seems spiteful to those who are already in a crap situation..
Also, Newsflash, you are living of taxpayers money no matter who you are. the government subsidizes so many things.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

The Primary reason people dont leave is because it is it uncomfortable. It is because it is hard to have a job where you can feed kids if you are alone in raising them. People rarely stay one welfare bacause it is all candy. It is embarassing to ask "How do I do EBT with this machine"



I have to be honest: I have no idea what you mean here. Your statement seems kinda contradictory. Embarassed? Work your way to a place where you don't have to use an EBT card.



She made great meals before she left welfare. Healthy and good(She did have her own garden too) but every once in awhile her kids wanted soda,


Awesome. Buy it with your other money. Not the EBT money. The same as alcohol. Or Tobacco.

Also, Newsflash, you are living of taxpayers money no matter who you are. the government subsidizes so many things.


I'm looking at all of my bills, and I'm trying to figure out what I'm "living off of" that includes taxpayer money. There are some things we utilize. Public roads? Libraries? I don't have any kids, so not public schools... Besides, my wife and I are putting into that taxpayer coffer, so we SHOULD benefit from those services. But I'm hardly "living off of" any of it.

I wish the gov't subsides my student loans. They don't.

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It is not always easy to work your way out of having to use an EBT card. first the jobs you do find pay so little foodstamps are better. Second, what if you have 3 kids? Then what if one gets sick and you have to stay home. You act like it is easy to just walk up and get out of poverty.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is not always easy to work your way out of having to use an EBT card. first the jobs you do find pay so little foodstamps are better. Second, what if you have 3 kids? Then what if one gets sick and you have to stay home. You act like it is easy to just walk up and get out of poverty.


It's pretty easy to not have 3 kids though, isn't it? And free.

The jobs you can find are based on your education. Which, if you're poor, you can also improve for very little. I have a friend that's a single mom with no degree and is under 25 that was able to get a full time job paying more than minimum, and now she's putting herself through night school. She busts her ass.

So I'm very aware that it isn't easy. Very. But foodstamps and EBT shouldn't pay for for luxury items, of which candy and soda are.

 
   
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I think they should. Let people who are in a crap situation atleast of a candy bar and soda every once in awhile.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think they should. Let people who are in a crap situation atleast of a candy bar and soda every once in awhile.

McDouble and small fries are cheaper than a Hershey Bar and Coke...

Neither of which are conducive to food that allows someone to function well...

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think they should. Let people who are in a crap situation atleast of a candy bar and soda every once in awhile.


Your talking like these crap situation people don't have money of their own. Let them use that.

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What money, if you are living off foodstamps you tend to not have other money. You tend to have money for rent/bills and for clothes or things like that.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think they should. Let people who are in a crap situation atleast of a candy bar and soda every once in awhile.

McDouble and small fries are cheaper than a Hershey Bar and Coke...

Neither of which are conducive to food that allows someone to function well...

Umm....yu cant even buy food at fastfood places with EMT

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think they should. Let people who are in a crap situation atleast of a candy bar and soda every once in awhile.


Cool. Then they can spend their own money. Like with alcohol. Or Tobacco. Or Fast Food.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What money, if you are living off foodstamps you tend to not have other money. You tend to have money for rent/bills and for clothes or things like that.


Well that's rarely true.


Umm....yu cant even buy food at fastfood places with EMT


Good. You shouldn't be able to.

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So tell me this. Why does living on taxpayer money not entitle someone to soda. Why can someone, just because they are on food stamps, something that is embarassing to all hell, not have a soda.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Umm....yu cant even buy food at fastfood places with EMT

If I can't buy a cheeseburger and fries with EBT, foodstamps, WIC, w/e then why should I be allowed to buy a candy bar or soda? These are not nutritional things, which is what these systems are designed to do, provide nutritional foodstuffs to people that would not normally be able to afford these.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So tell me this. Why does living on taxpayer money not entitle someone to soda. Why can someone, just because they are on food stamps, something that is embarassing to all hell, not have a soda.

Because it's not healthy. If someone came out with peer reviewed studies that said that consuming 1 soda a day was actually the key to human health in American the fine, give them 1 soda a day. But if you're unable to afford food at a grocery store and would prefer to ruin your health with candy and soda then I don't want to pay for you.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So tell me this. Why does living on taxpayer money not entitle someone to soda. Why can someone, just because they are on food stamps, something that is embarassing to all hell, not have a soda.


Pull the wax out of your eyes. No one is saying they cannot have it. What we are saying is they cannot buy it, with OUR MONEY. Those food stamps are not theirs. That is money that the rest of us gave to them, so they can do things like eat. Stuff like soda provides no nutritional value. Which means it is a pure luxury. Our tax dollars do not go to providing luxuries to people. They go to providing necessities. There is not a single thing necessary about a coke and hershey bar.

If they want it, then put an extra 15 minutes in at work.

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If that is all they are drinking yes. But why not one every once in awhile. Im not saying they should be able to but nothing but candy and soda with it. What im saying is that where is the harm in allowing a small amount of it?

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If that is all they are drinking yes. But why not one every once in awhile. Im not saying they should be able to but nothing but candy and soda with it. What im saying is that where is the harm in allowing a small amount of it?

Again... because it's not healthy... The 2.50 they spend on a 20oz Coke and a Hershey bar once a month is 2.50 that isn't going to things that are needed to keep them alive and healthy...

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We are arguing in circles. I give up.

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