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 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
With all this priest love opening up EBCs is taking a small group of 2 crusaders and 4 DCAs for a backfield counter charge (drop pod/deep-strike/etc) unit useful? Id imagine that with a list of MSU MM Immo spam +3 Exorcists that the target priority for them would be low.

I actually ran a list with Arco Spam and priests. 4x 8 Arcos and 2 Crusaders. use the crusaders to tank shooting wounds. It was pretty hilarious and fun.

Did you use your Arco/Crusader units in an offensive role or backfield protector?

 OutlawBandit wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 OutlawBandit wrote:
With all this priest love opening up EBCs is taking a small group of 2 crusaders and 4 DCAs for a backfield counter charge (drop pod/deep-strike/etc) unit useful? Id imagine that with a list of MSU MM Immo spam +3 Exorcists that the target priority for them would be low.

I actually ran a list with Arco Spam and priests. 4x 8 Arcos and 2 Crusaders. use the crusaders to tank shooting wounds. It was pretty hilarious and fun.

Did you use your Arco/Crusader units in an offensive role or backfield protector?

Offensive. They are a bit delicate to sit back. So all 4 charged the enemy. Of the 40 dudes, probably 10-15 made it to combat. They performed spectacularly.

5 or 6 with Priest vs 4 Man Noise Marine Squad with Champion: Poof goes NM.
4 or 5 and 1 vs 4 Man Havoc Squad: Poof goes Havocs
1 vs 30 Man Cultist with Lucius: Ate the overwatch so my blob could charge unmolested. He died horribly.

The prevalence of Ignores Cover in my opponent's army really f'd them since they have no save. I did have one crusader tank 3 blastmaster shots before going down to Sonic Blasters though. lol

Also, I really wish that I hadn't put priests in their squads. They were great as a distraction though.

I'm just sad that I have to pay 300+ points for Coteaz and a Stormraven just to get an assault transport for the crusader/DCA unit.

Im trying to put together a solid blob for my 1999 list.
Im thinking the barebones would be
Uriah
Priest
Litanies of Faith
Priest

20 sisters
Simulcrum
2 x flamers

That would give me all three hymms even though I know having 3 smash-happy priests with mauls are better than one without. Problem im having is actual models on hand. I have

Uriah
Kyrinov (RIP good buddy)
Missionary with Plasma Gun
Missionary with Chainsword

The above are what I have currently that would model as a priest. Im reluctant to use my plasma toting priest because im big on WYSIWYG and I dont want to pay for a plasma gun I wouldnt shoot (for fear of GH). I considered using the Sister Dialogus model as a priest since she looks priesty but im a bit iffy on it since its already a designated model elsewhere in the codex.

I looked on GW and saw that the regular preacher models are backordered for 2-3 weeks so thats an option for the future but not for an upcoming tourney that is scheduled in that window. I could proxy, sure, but im always reluctant to do so in a tournament setting.

Check with locals to see if they have any priests. Priests from 40k, Empire priests, Mordheim priests, redemptionists all work.

 pretre wrote:
Check with locals to see if they have any priests. Priests from 40k, Empire priests, Mordheim priests, redemptionists all work.

so you would recommend I go for the full 5 priest bundle?

I know giving them a power maul would bump them to S10 AP2 on the smash, is that overkill in most situations?

Yes, I would.
Totally not overkill, since it allows them to deal with vehicles and instant kill SM characters, hurt MCs, etc.

Also, it only brings them to S8 AP2
S3
x2 for Smash
+2 for Mace

Always multiply before adding. So you can do:
3 Attacks S5 AP4, 3 Attacks S5 AP2, 2 Attacks S8 AP2. (Not counting the charge bonus)

Nothing exceeds like excess.


As an aside, right now I have the following priest models that I am thinking of using:
Uriah
Kyrinov (Power Maul priest)
Priest with Chainsword and Holy Symbol (Normal Priest)
Priest with Sword and book (Normal Priest)
Priest with Book on Stick and Plasma Gun (Gun was cut off by previous owner, so i replaced with Flagellant Flail for Power Maul / Litanies Priest)
Mordheim Priest with Hammer (Removed whatever was in his off hand and gave him pistol. Power Maul Priest)

That gives me:
Chainsword - Reroll Saves
Sword/Book - Reroll Wounds
Kyrinov Priest - Smash
Uriah - Smash
Mordheim - Smash
Litanies/Maul - Smash

Ouch!

(I have a variety of other models that I could use if I needed to. Additional mordheim dudes, plenty of redemptionists, etc)

Ouch indeed!

If you use Uriah in your lists would you think its necessary to have 5 others or Uriah +4?

 OutlawBandit wrote:
Ouch indeed!

If you use Uriah in your lists would you think its necessary to have 5 others or Uriah +4?

If I had to cut points, I'd cut a priest, but having all those priests makes for some great hilarity. It bumps the squad up to 26 (27 if you bring Celestine) and allows it to take on anything in the game in hand to hand.

Do you think a Dominion VSS is better than laud hailers on a Dominion Squads Immolator?
If I had three Dominion squads who were scouting, so long as I kept them in range of the laud hailer I think that the Laud hailer option would be more point efficient.
Outflanking is different because there is no guarantee that they will be within range. The hailer Immo could come in on one side with the other two non-hailers on the other for instance.

 OutlawBandit wrote:
Do you think a Dominion VSS is better than laud hailers on a Dominion Squads Immolator?
If I had three Dominion squads who were scouting, so long as I kept them in range of the laud hailer I think that the Laud hailer option would be more point efficient.
Outflanking is different because there is no guarantee that they will be within range. The hailer Immo could come in on one side with the other two non-hailers on the other for instance.

Okay, so here's my thought on Sim vs VSS vs Laud:
Sim: Will you survive to make a second shot? Take this on Rhino doms, don't take this on 5 girl Immo Melta squads.
VSS: Do you need to get your power off and don't trust Laud Hailers? Take this. Also good if you need Leadership for a Priest or otherwise. Not a big fan of this one.
Laud Hailer: Do you really need to get your faith off and think your vehicle will live? Take this. I will take it on 1 out of 2 Dominions.

Personal setup (if I take three):
2x 5 girl squads with 4 Melta, TL-MM Immos (Dozer if I have the points)
1x 6-10 Girl squad with 2 Melta, 2 Flamer, Simulacrum in Rhino with Laud Hailer.

Always sage advice Pretre!

 pretre wrote:

3 Attacks S5 AP4, 3 Attacks S5 AP2, 2 Attacks S8 AP2. (Not counting the charge bonus)

I can't agree more with always taking a power maul on every Priest. War Hymns go very far into elevating AS to a competitive army.

When you're whole army is built around short-ranged shooting, you're going to be in assault inevitably. Being able to actually fight out of that assault is pivotal.

Have you ever thought, just for lols, to take ten priests in the blob on a 2k+ game? Uriah, Celestine/Canoness (for that second HQ), 20 sisters and 10 power maul Priests in one unit xD

 Gar'Ang wrote:
Have you ever thought, just for lols, to take ten priests in the blob on a 2k+ game? Uriah, Celestine/Canoness (for that second HQ), 20 sisters and 10 power maul Priests in one unit xD

Meh, I don't play very much double FOC. Sure, you could do that but why? At that point, it is just a points sink.

 Gar'Ang wrote:
Have you ever thought, just for lols, to take ten priests in the blob on a 2k+ game? Uriah, Celestine/Canoness (for that second HQ), 20 sisters and 10 power maul Priests in one unit xD

Wouldn't it be more effective (and just as ridiculous) to have 2-3 blobs?

 Ovion wrote:

 Gar'Ang wrote:
Have you ever thought, just for lols, to take ten priests in the blob on a 2k+ game? Uriah, Celestine/Canoness (for that second HQ), 20 sisters and 10 power maul Priests in one unit xD

Wouldn't it be more effective (and just as ridiculous) to have 2-3 blobs?

Yeah, if only Uriah wasn't unique. I guess you could have 5 priests, Uriah, 20 sisters and 5 priests, Celestine, 20 sisters.

Not quite as good as one blob, but still cool. Celestine helps make up for the lack of litanies in the second blob.

I go gear light most of the time, outside of special weapons. But the Sisters Codex sort of forces the issue doesn't it. One of the rare codex's where they didn't just say "Well, people will ALWAYS take GUY X this way so just POINT him that way". Nope. they made everything an option and said "take yer pick of different types of Priests, or whatever".

For example, Castellan Crowe, for all the grief he gets, is a self contained brother Captain, exactly like you'd pretty much want to build him if you wanted one at all. He's an unlock character and is optionless.

Done the SOB way, he'd have his sword as an option, even though you'd nearly always take it. He'd have a Psyker power you could take called "Heroic Sacrifice". But ya' wouldn't have to.

The sisters of Battle really disassembled things a bit. Even the Veteran Sister Superiors were disassembled, so to speak, to make them able to challenge without the added expense if you didn't want cool gear.

Not revolutionary but just an observation

Except Crowe is a special character... And he works just like our special characters which aren't customizable. Bad analogy, although I get your point.

I've played a couple of low points games now and I have to say the standout performer has been the canoness with inferno pistol and the cloak of St Aspira.

I've just acquired a couple of priests so I'll give those a go as soon as I can but really I like the idea of the all-female army so I don't know if I'll want to play them much.

Have to say I'm thoroughly enjoying this thread. Learning lots.

My point is they could have just made him a Brother Captain with those options. But they didn't and Brother Captains aren't really... special. Lol. A Canoness is to Celestine what a Brother Captain is to Brother Stern, kind of. I mean yeah he's a character but... Two wounds... I mean come on. Doesn't truly FEEL like a character even though he is.

anyways i just find it interesting how disassembled they made things. is that good or bad? I think it adds a little bit of a tax on the items you'd want to take because of the "one per customer" thing but it's not an entirely unreasonable tax so...

I need someone to point me in the right direction:

1. Years ago when Heavy Flamer Immolators were the rage, I fitted all my turrets with the Heavy Flamers. Now I need to make the conversion to Multimeltas. Since I never envisioned switching, I glued the Flamers on... now, I still have the MMs on sprues, but need advice on how best to remove the HFs and switch to MMs. Any suggestions?

2. Are there any online discount retailers that still sell Sisters models? I need to get 5 flamer sisters, and eBay is looking for almost as much as GW sells new. And all the barter / swap blogs that I'm familiar with are *looking* for Sisters models, all of the sudden we're more in demand.

Any help here would be appreciated....

 davidgr33n wrote:
I need someone to point me in the right direction:

1. Years ago when Heavy Flamer Immolators were the rage, I fitted all my turrets with the Heavy Flamers. Now I need to make the conversion to Multimeltas. Since I never envisioned switching, I glued the Flamers on... now, I still have the MMs on sprues, but need advice on how best to remove the HFs and switch to MMs. Any suggestions?

2. Are there any online discount retailers that still sell Sisters models? I need to get 5 flamer sisters, and eBay is looking for almost as much as GW sells new. And all the barter / swap blogs that I'm familiar with are *looking* for Sisters models, all of the sudden we're more in demand.

Any help here would be appreciated....

1) You should be able to just twist them off. If that doesn't work, a little razor saw or exacto work should be able to take the HF off at the join with the turret and then swap them out.
2) Nope. Swap shop here or bartertown works. Sisters are definitely in demand.

 pretre wrote:


1) You should be able to just twist them off. If that doesn't work, a little razor saw or exacto work should be able to take the HF off at the join with the turret and then swap them out.
2) Nope. Swap shop here or bartertown works. Sisters are definitely in demand.

1. Ok, thanks for the advice, I will try that.
2. I thought not. I looked at Bartertown and here as well, but very limited options. If you ever decide to sell off your vast collection of Sisters you know where to find me, LOL

davidgr33n wrote:

 pretre wrote:


2) Nope. Swap shop here or bartertown works. Sisters are definitely in demand.

2. I thought not. I looked at Bartertown and here as well, but very limited options. If you ever decide to sell off your vast collection of Sisters you know where to find me, LOL

Don't forget to keep checking the evil bay of E as even now you can get a bargain http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171153983815?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 allowed me to finally get upto 10 HF for the reasonable price of $12.50 AU each shipped vs. GW at $23 AU each without shipping

Razor saw properly used will definitely cause the least amount of damage as you remove the flamers. You'll also have a clean surface on both the turret mount and the flamer which you can then magnetize. Worth doing as you never know when the heavy bolter or flamer may come back into favor.

 davidgr33n wrote:
I need someone to point me in the right direction:

1. Years ago when Heavy Flamer Immolators were the rage, I fitted all my turrets with the Heavy Flamers. Now I need to make the conversion to Multimeltas. Since I never envisioned switching, I glued the Flamers on... now, I still have the MMs on sprues, but need advice on how best to remove the HFs and switch to MMs. Any suggestions?

2. Are there any online discount retailers that still sell Sisters models? I need to get 5 flamer sisters, and eBay is looking for almost as much as GW sells new. And all the barter / swap blogs that I'm familiar with are *looking* for Sisters models, all of the sudden we're more in demand.

Any help here would be appreciated....

Depending on how you mounted the turret, water breaks down super-glue by making it brittle and easy to pop lose. Simply Green (for those in the States) is an excellent de-bonder, although it will remove paint, too.

SJ

Double Force Org.

Canoness - Mantle of Ophelia.
Command Squad with Hospitalier and Blessed Banner and rest geared for CC.
5 priests.

walking beside the standard 20 sister blob with Uriah, Celestine and another 5 priests.

Expensive, but would be a crazy amount of attacks if it makes it to close combat.

Going to have to make a double force org list for 2k points with 10 priests, Uriah, Celestine, sister blobs, 6 exorcists and Immolator Dominions with melta spam.

I haven't read all the pages for this post, but I was curious how people fit in their troops at 1850? there are just so many things outside the troops section to get, that I end up getting plain squads of sisters. I essentially start with the 3 exorcists, then go to dominions and their accompanying immolators, go to Hq for the command squad with condemnor boltguns and an accompanying immolator, and THEN i get to troops, which tends to leave me very little points left over for the amount of troop I probably actually need. It also leaves me with troops with them contributing very little to the army. So how do you balance that in a competitive scene? also This has probably been answered but does the simulacrum imperialis replace a weapon? So if I take that upgrade for a dominion squad, does that mean I can only take 3 special weapons?