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 BlackTalos wrote:
/\ /\ /\ Seraphim, not serephum ( Sierra Film) :p

Hey guys, i've got a question on SoB plans and tactics, although it'd be a question with the new Inquisition codex:
What would be a good "Ranged" Inquisitor choice for my army? I was thinking Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor with Conversion beamer, 2 Jokaero (or more), plasma gun priest and additional ranged weapons.
He would sit with the sister squads at medium range, or even between the Exorcists firing in the 48" range, but then apart from the Inq and Jokaero, could anything else shoot/be useful?

This sits in a pretty standard 2xExorcists, Avenger, BSS, dominions army where i used to run Celestine & Power Lanced Seraphim, but with the new Ed i'm really considering dropping Celestine & Squad. (Maybe keep just the seraphim?)

What are your thoughts?

Well, first of all you can't have a hereticus inquistior with a conversion beamer. They only come on xenos inquisitors.

With a henchmen squad that is going to be on foot as long ranged firepower I go with a hereticus with a psyocculm and 3 plasma cannons as a base. Psykers have the same range so i'll add them to taste up to 6 (S8 ap1 is easy to remember with a sisters force). The acolytes I go with are 3 plasmaguns. The rest of it is kinda whatever I decide I want to throw in. I've been taking a single deamonhost for the fun of seeing what the heck the stupid heretic will do next. Sometimes its spectacular.... most of the time he sucks and deserves death. Lucky for me, I can kill him after the battle at my leisure. I'll add laspistol or bolter armed losers in red shirts to catch enemy rounds that otherwise would hit someone I care about.

end up with 3 s7ap2 plasma templates and a s8 ap1 pieplate that do not miss against psyker units. Occasionally you'll also get a s4 ap3 template from the deamonhost and 3/6 s7 ap2 plasma shots with whatever bolter fire you decided to put in as well. Trick of course is that none of them miss against all the psyker units out there now. Give the inquistor a level of psyker and you can get presence as well, nice bonus against tau.

Course if you go with that type of thing you need to have an inquisitor to babysit the servitors.

Hoitash wrote:

To each his own, of course. I find it more useful than Retributors or another Exorcist, and the model looks cool.

Speaking of Rets, anyone got tips on using them? I figure if I ever Dual Force Org, they'll fill out my extra HS slots.

Oh its not an Avenger thing with me. Its a Forge World thing. I dont even want to encourage it. its pandoras box. We all know how that ended.

As for using Retributors:
http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/12/adepta-sororitas-part-ii.html

You know pandora's box ended with hope, right?

Yep, hope still sealed safely in the box and horrible monsters everywhere else.

"We are beset by many terrible foes in these dark times, but we walk in the light of the Emperor, and we shall not let a single foe stay us from our duty. We are the Sisters of the great Ecclesiarchy, and we will fight to the bitter end."

-Canoness Palmiro of the Order of the Ebon Chalice, White Dwarf 380, pg. 90.

My meta already uses Forgeworld. At least this way I have one less thing to complain about (except Remora drones. I will never forgive them the sin of looking so cool and being so OP.)

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

Personally I would stick an Inquisitor (maybe Coteaz if you have the points) behind an aegis on a quad gun with 3 plasma servitors and some crusaders/acolytes for padding. Put your exorcists here too for the cover save and Coteaz can either presience the exorcists or his own squad. I've dropped Celestine and seraphims for a Jacobis blob but I'm not convinced by it so might go back. Blob is too vulnerable to shooting with only 3+ armour.

Inquisitor with 3 Plasma (cannons right?) is what i was generally thinking, with the 2 Jokaero giving the chance of that additional range and other such bonuses. Just checked the codex though and it won't apply to the Plasma canons -_-"
So i might drop them altogether...

war wrote:

Well, first of all you can't have a hereticus inquistior with a conversion beamer. They only come on xenos inquisitors.

With a henchmen squad that is going to be on foot as long ranged firepower I go with a hereticus with a psyocculm and 3 plasma cannons as a base. Psykers have the same range so i'll add them to taste up to 6 (S8 ap1 is easy to remember with a sisters force). The acolytes I go with are 3 plasmaguns. The rest of it is kinda whatever I decide I want to throw in. I've been taking a single deamonhost for the fun of seeing what the heck the stupid heretic will do next. Sometimes its spectacular.... most of the time he sucks and deserves death. Lucky for me, I can kill him after the battle at my leisure. I'll add laspistol or bolter armed losers in red shirts to catch enemy rounds that otherwise would hit someone I care about.

end up with 3 s7ap2 plasma templates and a s8 ap1 pieplate that do not miss against psyker units. Occasionally you'll also get a s4 ap3 template from the deamonhost and 3/6 s7 ap2 plasma shots with whatever bolter fire you decided to put in as well. Trick of course is that none of them miss against all the psyker units out there now. Give the inquistor a level of psyker and you can get presence as well, nice bonus against tau.

Course if you go with that type of thing you need to have an inquisitor to babysit the servitors.

That sounds pretty much like what i'd go for, but then the very simple issue is: Points
It's going to cost Hell. But then i suppose it'll be less than Celestine & Seraphims at 270... And i can see those doing a lot more damage at 36" and 24" Range. Following that i'd probably get a jokaero or 2 then, to get those Plasma guns/Bolters at 24"/ 36" Range (with a lucky roll). Probably would go for S6 AP3 - 4 Psykers against marines, 3 for other armies as, as you pointed out, we know well of S8 AP1, so i doubt i'd need more.

Also, would that be 2 Squads you make or just the 1 Super-Elite? (Where do red shirts fit in that 12-man squad?) Again, probably not going to help points wise. And what equipment is usually best for said "ranged" inquisitor, if not the Beamer on your Hereticus?

Thanks for the advice though, the squad is definitely shaping up as the good HQ missing from C:AS...



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On a side note:

Would getting an inquisitor also mean a Land Raider for a Repentia squad? =P

You're free to "always have used" ForgeWorld. I'm not telling you you're "doing Warhammer wrong". I'm just saying that I'm not in any way supportive of it being in tournaments. If they want it in tournies, put it in the G.D. codex. The money grab is just ridiculous. $4 for new rules on Dante? I mean give me an Effing break. No other game company is doing this and no other game system is turning people off this way. House rules are becoming absolute necessity and that will make an already beseiged tourney scene more divided.

I really didn't mean to turn this into a bitch session about GW. Honestly. But as pertains to Forge World... I'm not a fan. So much of it is untested theory-fluff. Its there because it's in the stories or it was in BattleFleet Gothic or some other source and so they wanted to make a toy of it, like all commercial successes like star wars likes to do. And thats fine. Forge World is perfect for friendly games between consenting players who want to use it.

I don't consent. So if you wanna play ForgeWorld and the tourney allows it, i will take particular glee in annihilating it out of annoyance. I had an opportunity to do just that in the last couple months. I didn't realize it was being allowed and I was so annoyed I went 5-0 and I made sure not a single Forge World model was left on the table at games end. not one. Sometimes you just want to make a point. Either they are too powerful or they are too expensive but rarely do you get units that are in the middle. In the middle is where units need to be: with strengths and weaknesses and maybe they are on the verge of too cheap or too expensive, but never so much so that you wouldn't consider it an option. With forgeWorld, everyone can clearly see which ones are a gleaming value and which ones are... not.

Anyways... sorry. off topic but necessary. Sisters of Battle should have included the Repressor for example in their codex. i don't see why they didn't. BUT they didn't. So I now do not want to see them on the tournament field. I want to see them on a shelf or in friendly games only.

Avengers are the same way to me. Shoulda been in the codex. Weren't. I don't use them.

If your meta likes them, keep on trucking man. If it's fun for you AND your opponents, then I see no problem with it in those games.

Those weren't new rules on Dante. That was a mistake. They've updated the file to be consistent with the Codex.

 Jancoran wrote:
Anyways... sorry. off topic but necessary.

Take it to the Forgeworld rant threads please. Not to mention, as CIS mentioned, your first premise is incorrect.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:


Would getting an inquisitor also mean a Land Raider for a Repentia squad? =P

Sadly no. Since a LRR is an allied transport your Repentia wouldnt be allowed in.

I'm thinking of picking up a Marauder Destroyer to use as a Lord of War in my Sisters army.

Anyone have any experience fielding one?

Seems like a bad idea to take a flyer for your lord of war, but that's just me. I have not fielded one.

It's cool, though (I actually had the same idea)

But I second that you probably want a super-heavy on the board turn 1 and not be at the mercy of your reserve rolls.

Comm relay, anyone?

Warhound is probably a better option.

I was thinking a flyer might have more survivability as it can't be hit by D-weapon blasts, can't be locked in combat and a lot of the counters players might bring to take out a LoW won't be as effective vs a flyer.

Loopstah wrote:
I was thinking a flyer might have more survivability as it can't be hit by D-weapon blasts, can't be locked in combat and a lot of the counters players might bring to take out a LoW won't be as effective vs a flyer.

Two words - Necron Pylon.

As it turns out, the necrons have a fairly cheap Super Heavy unit that's really good at killing other super heavies. It doesn't use a blast weapon, and it has Skyfire and Interception.

Besides, most SHV have High RoF weapons that can clip a flyer. Revs are the only SHVs I could think of that has poor air defense.

Downside is that you're always playing without it for 1 turn and possibly more (even with a comm relay).

 pretre wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Anyways... sorry. off topic but necessary.

Take it to the Forgeworld rant threads please. Not to mention, as CIS mentioned, your first premise is incorrect.

I dont think it is. But thern... we aren't talking objective truths here are we? We're talking opinions. Whicjh is entirely appropriate for a forum.

But it isn't entirely off topic anyways. The Avenger is a perfect example of what, like the Hydra, could easily have been included. Same for the Repressor which has been around a LONG time... Yet not in the codex. And for what reason is it omitted? Why do we include the Hydra in the IG codex and not take the same tact with others? The precedent is there. FIX the unit from a game perspective and the gaming models right there for purchase. Balance it and make it available. Instead, they make the gateway price for a Repressor the cost of the book you need to provide your opponent upon request PLUS the model. Multiply that times the number of books the various things are scattered amongst and you start to find why people just kinda dont want to have to even deal with it.

Sisters was an ideal codex to try it in, because less people play it, less would be offended by any mistakes to it and overall a safer "haven".

Maybe if they do a hardback, they will include it. There's still hope. But if it isn't, I feel it infinitely unfair to opponents to make them plan for 10 books worth of material they dont have access to within reason. That among many reasons.

 Jancoran wrote:
I dont think it is. But thern... we aren't talking objective truths here are we? We're talking opinions. Whicjh is entirely appropriate for a forum.

The money grab is just ridiculous. $4 for new rules on Dante?

This was incorrect. Which was your first premise.

You know the difference between examples...and a premise...right? Come now.

 Jancoran wrote:
Instead, they make the gateway price for a Repressor the cost of the book you need to provide your opponent upon request PLUS the model. Multiply that times the number of books the various things are scattered amongst and you start to find why people just kinda dont want to have to even deal with it.

Sisters was an ideal codex to try it in, because less people play it, less would be offended by any mistakes to it and overall a safer "haven".

I do agree with the Avenger & Repressor being in the codex in the first place, but GW have always "put aside" rules for models from Forgeworld, nothing new there...

They are barely starting to include a rare item or two via Escalation, but the day where "all available 40k items" - read Forgeworld - are in all base codices is still very very far from us. Especially with all the Codex supplements tactics...

But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

A better unit, and more survivable, than Repentia would be an Inquisitorial detachment of DCA+Crusaders charging out of a DT Land Raider Crusader w/ Psybolt. In you have the points. Teamed up with a Grenade-caddy Inquisitor, this unit will mulch pretty much anything worth mulching.

SJ

That's a lot of points for a deathstar HQ unit running in on its own... Entire opposite army shooting everything at it? Might as well play Celestine with retinue at 270 points, it probably performs similarly for less points.

As posted above i'd have a ranged Inquisitor HQ for slightly less points and definitely less "have slay the warlord, i'll move him up the table for you" as he''l be in or around the rest of the army trodding up the table (unless that's how you were thinking of the LR?)

The repentia is just much cheaper in a small Rhino and more likely get the enemy thinking about Exorcists, Avengers and big blob of sisters walking at them. Element of surprise if you will.

I've been thinking about Promethium Relays and how best to take advantage. Repressor heavy army with plenty of heavy flamers seems like a win here.

Might make the easy-bake oven unit a bit more reliable. Max Retributors with Jacobus and Simulacrum would be entertaining.

 pretre wrote:
I've been thinking about Promethium Relays and how best to take advantage. Repressor heavy army with plenty of heavy flamers seems like a win here.

Might make the easy-bake oven unit a bit more reliable. Max Retributors with Jacobus and Simulacrum would be entertaining.

The best way to utilise it to me, would be the Void Relay Network.
Have the Void Shields set up so the 12" barrier ends a few inches in front of the Promethium Relay Pipes.
Maybe have some Tank Traps in front of that at the boundary of the Void Shields?
Then have Exorcists up near the Void Shield Generator itself.

Then as many Flamers/Heavy Flamers as you can muster and just spam Torrent Templates.

Immune to weapons lower than Str6, 20" template range, and 5+/4+ cover for everyone.

Throw in some DCA / Repentia to bubble wrap things, and you've got a pretty damn nasty list.

Interesting. Still waiting for my copy of Stronghold Assault so I appreciate the ideas.

Definitely interested in void shields, especially with Escalation and about 25% of local gaming buddies picking up a Baneblade for after Christmas =P

My original idea was a SoB Baneblade, but i've read the book, and unless we get it via house rules......
So now the only real option is the dominions tank hunting and Exorcist shots while hiding behind them voids :\

The only LOW that we get are from Forge World. We get the flyers, Warhound and Reaver.

I am aware of that, but an Avenger is as far as i go for FW...