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 BlackTalos wrote:
I am aware of that, but an Avenger is as far as i go for FW...

Might want to try to see if your gaming group will let you have a baneblade as a house rule then.

 pretre wrote:
Might want to try to see if your gaming group will let you have a baneblade as a house rule then.

As a fellow SoB player you must have seen this one:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/532988-.html?m=2

I like that model so much!

Yes, seen it.

Finally got a look at Stronghold Assault. Hoping this one sees use since I love forts.

Interesting bits:

- Vengeance Batteries with Quad Lascannons for 75 points a pop? Nice! Plus you can add 6 6" sections of Barricades for 10 points a piece. I can see a nice 'Aegis' formation of this with 2 Quad Lascannons and 3-6 Barricade sections fitting nicely into a list

- Void Shield building. Put in Void Shield Building. Buy Barricades. Now you have a firebase with 1-3 AV12 shields to get through and a nice 4+ cover save. Neato.

- Bastions really have an opportunity to become a points sink. Say my Retributor Bastion.
Bastion - 75
Icarus - 35
Extra Icarus - 35
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25

210? Actually not bad. Gives you a solid shooting platform, a quasi-aegis (barricades), two skyfire interceptor weapons and protection from small arms fire for the roof squad until the void shield is popped.

That bastion does sound neat! However i'd have any of those in the Primary detachment (1 Fort Slot) so "pick one" basically.

As I do believe (not read the book) that more than 1 Fort. is only for the book's specific missions?

How would you model double icarus and leave enough space on that roof?

I am considering that bastion with single Quad gun, ammo store and void shield (Bastion only or X" around it?) for Command 5 x HB while the canoness runs around (and if she's not replaced by Inquisition)

Actually, I messed up, you can't take double icarus. So it would be:

Bastion - 75
Quad - 50
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25
So 190.

 BlackTalos wrote:
But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

Anyone using Repentia would have any advice?

If you HAVE to take repentia, you need to take big squads and then lots of threats. Transports aren't really worth it, I would just run them.

I think, if I was crazy and had the models, I'd run 9 penitents and 30 repentia.

Chances are at least one of the squads would get there.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

Anyone using Repentia would have any advice?

The only way I've found that lets them live, is max out on them. (And penitent engines).
There's so much hot fiery death bearing down on them, the opponent doesn't know what to shoot at, and even if they DO focus fire, they're not going to take out more than 1-2 units overall. The rest will play 'will it blend' with the enemy army. (The answer is always yes by the way.)

After that.. they're probably going to be mostly or all dead, they might make it to hit something else but it's not likely, so here's hoping the 2-5 other things you took in the army is enough to take out what's left.

So they would not really work in say 1200 points (or even 2000) with other main units?

As in it'd have to be 50% of points for Repentia+Penitent? No running them in any way at 10-20% of your points?

Not really.

 BlackTalos wrote:
So they would not really work in say 1200 points (or even 2000) with other main units?

As in it'd have to be 50% of points for Repentia+Penitent? No running them in any way at 10-20% of your points?

You can run say, 1 minimum sized unit of Repentia (say 5?), and keep them in your deployment zone as a counter charge unit / back row defence.

They can hide behind everything else / in cover, and chew up any deep strikers or kill things that are being tied up by BSS blobs and such.
(Actually, if running a Void Shield Generator, you could sit them behind the building, then assault anything that comes inside the bubble with them.)

You can run 1 squad, and it might make it - but you definately want to run it on foot or walk them up behind a wall of armour.

I see, thanks for the help, my original idea was above: 10 in a Rhino at some point making it around to the enemy with the "hide behind Rhino for a turn" tactic =P

But i do like the counter-charge idea and was really considering void shields as Fort. slot.

Keep in mind that you can charge out of Forts now. You could put a squad in a Bastion and dare someone to come near it.

 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that you can charge out of Forts now. You could put a squad in a Bastion and dare someone to come near it.

Ohman...
Bastion with a extra entrance?

Extra entrance doesn't allow charges.

 BlackTalos wrote:

I do agree with the Avenger & Repressor being in the codex in the first place, but GW have always "put aside" rules for models from Forgeworld, nothing new there...

But as this post is a Tactica: How do people get their repentia to the enemy lines?
I am getting some shortly, rules looking pretty good, and the only tactic i can kind of think of is: Flank drive up the Rhino, get out behind it, hope it glances to death rather than blowing up and charge (turn 3?) but that's looking pretty grim.

It would however coincide with turn 2 or 3 arrival of the Avenger which can delete an MEQ unit that would threaten them...

I wrote two articles on Sisters of Battle recently, and i do talk about the Sisters Repentia there.

http://www.40kunorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2013/12/adepta-sororitas-part-ii.html

Sisters Repentia are great in my opinion, but many disagree. too squishy for some peoples blood.

I totally got called out for my defeatist hyperbole on that one.

I just can't get Repentia to do anything useful. They get so shot up before they get into combat and since they go last I'll get one or two surviving long enough to swing their swords. Unless you're going up against dreadnaught spam, I don't see a reason for ever taking them.

 pretre wrote:
Actually, I messed up, you can't take double icarus. So it would be:

Bastion - 75
Quad - 50
3 Barricades - 30
Ammo Store - 15 (rerolling 1's for Retributors? Yes, please!)
Void Shield - 25
So 190.

I was surprised they changed how the icarus/quad works. If you put on top of the Bastion it becomes an emplaced weapon so it can't be killed without seriously hurting the bastion (or destroying it). I may give the Bastion another go.

And you can fire it from inside.

If a sister army at 1850 pts has 3 exorcists, but lacks some oomph, I thought about dropping an exorcist, and adding a vindicare assassin and putting him in the bastion. That way he's survivable, and to be honest, he is a killer tank hunter, invulnerable wargear killer. He seems solid, but not sure if it's a good trade off. Sacrificing a lot of shots for this guy, but he snipes out ethereals, chapter masters with eternal warrior shield, and just wrecks vehicles flat out.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I just can't get Repentia to do anything useful. They get so shot up before they get into combat and since they go last I'll get one or two surviving long enough to swing their swords. Unless you're going up against dreadnaught spam, I don't see a reason for ever taking them.

Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

 Necrosis wrote:
Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

That is probably the best idea, but void relays include Promethium pipes? the would definitely be my fortification choice then...

The Vindicaire on Bastion isn't too bad, but you would need to spend at least the void shield on the Bastion as otherwise the armour 14 isn't going to last that long... Down comes the Bastion and splat goes the Assassin =P

I wouldn't trade an exorcist for a vindicare.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Necrosis wrote:
Try using Void Shield Generator or Void Relay Network. They can offer a large amount of protection.

I'm planning on using on the Void Relay Network to increase the ranges of sisters flamers and making them even tougher.

That is probably the best idea, but void relays include Promethium pipes? the would definitely be my fortification choice then...

The Vindicaire on Bastion isn't too bad, but you would need to spend at least the void shield on the Bastion as otherwise the armour 14 isn't going to last that long... Down comes the Bastion and splat goes the Assassin =P

You have 3 options for those.

1: Promethium Relay Pipes. (1 length of pipe, with 3 long and 4 short sections, can take Obstacles)
2: Void Shield Generator. (1 building with 1-3 shields, can take Obstacles)
3: Void Relay Network. (1-3 Promethium Relay Pipes, 1-3 Void Shield Generators, 0-1 Honoured Imperium)

So you could feasibly take 9 Void Shields, 3 Pipes, and enough Tanglewire, Barricades and Tank Traps to block off a significant portion of your deployment zone, if not all of it.
All for 420-500pts.

Quick question, best composition for a conclave? I'm planning to run an assault-based command squad with a Sacred Banner of the Orders Militant (if I can model something worthy!), and I've read that that syncs well with a conclave nearby.

I play w 4 Arco, 2 Crusaders, 4 assassins

I would skip the arcos. 5 Crusaders, 5 DCA. Or if you're running priests with them, 6 or 7 crusaders, remaining DCA.

 Ovion wrote:
So you could feasibly take 9 Void Shields, 3 Pipes, and enough Tanglewire, Barricades and Tank Traps to block off a significant portion of your deployment zone, if not all of it.
All for 420-500pts.

Lol i wasn't thinking spending 1/2 or 1/4 of an army on it...

It would be to re-fit the 100Pts Aegis with Quad i dropped recently in favour of the Avenger (only unit of Skyfire). I'd say 1 Void Generator with 1 Pipes relay, shouldn't bee too much


As for the Conclave: 5 Crusader 5 DCA is the idea, but i'd still fit an Acro or 2, just for the 7 attacks on the charge... and definitely a priest in there.

yeah,1 shield generator + 1 length of pipe should run you around 90-140pts.

I'd probably go the 2-3 shield route myself - it's a solid scary defence against everything, and the only real defence you have against D-Weapons.