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**GoonBandito**

Obvious answer to AV13 with Jink saves are Ignores Cover Melta from Dominions. Did you have trouble getting in Melta range? Necron Warriors only have a 4+ save too, so Heavy Bolters and Heavy Flamers will be effective. They'll still get their RP roll, but at least you're only giving them 1 roll to not die instead of 2.

**pretre**

Sounds like going back to the 20 blob with priests and jacobus is the way to go.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Celtic Strike wrote:
Played a really rough game against the new crons. I basically only won because his wraith died to overwatch fire from a 5 girl squad. It took 1100 points of firing against a buffed warrior squad to shift them and even then I didn't kill them all.

What's our answer here? My battle plan can't simple be to hope they roll really badly.

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Is it just to take a 20 girl squad with 2 priests and just tarp it their units?

Yeah I've been thinking of this, outside of allies, Sisters have no answer to Wraiths at all. Giving them T5 was probably the stupidest move GW has done since 7th dropped.

**pretre**

I'm thinking it isn't that bad. Exorcist their 1 spyder to deny RP for the unit and then counter-assault with a blob squad or force a crapton of wounds on them.

Without the one spyder from the formation, they are just T5, 2W and a 3++, right? (Not that that isn't bad enough.)

**Celtic Strike**

So I did the math, 20 sisters on the charge with a priest with no weapon would do 3 wounds. 1.5 if the wraiths have rp. Although, that means the wraiths are not going anywhere.

**pretre**

Celtic Strike wrote:
So I did the math, 20 sisters on the charge with a priest with no weapon would do 3 wounds. 1.5 if the wraiths have rp. Although, that means the wraiths are not going anywhere.

A sisters blob squad doesn't kill you on the charge. They grind you down.

When I ran it, I ran 20 sisters, Jacobus, 3 priests (one with litanies, two with mauls). They survive forever and would grind the wraiths down (since the wraiths only have rending not, PW, so rerollable 3+ vs most attacks).

**Celtic Strike**

Also, 6 dca, 6 crusaders, 1 priest with power maul and a rad grenade. Is 6.4 dead wraiths. 3.2 if they have rp For about 275

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But it's a huge point investment to kill 3 models. we can kill it but then we don't have anything left for the rest of the army

**pretre**

Celtic Strike wrote:
Also, 6 dca, 6 crusaders, 1 priest with power maul and a rad grenade. Is 6.4 dead wraiths. 3.2 if they have rp For about 275

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But it's a huge point investment to kill 3 models. we can kill it but then we don't have anything left for the rest of the army

That's not a sisters of battle squad then. If we're allying in, I can think of better ways to use the points.

Also, you're missing the inquisitor to get the rad grenades and without a delivery system, you're never going to get in combat with those 13 models.

**Celtic Strike**

Rad grenade I felt implied thr inquisitor. That's part of the calculation and cost. Their actual contribution is negligible

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As for the land raider. It is probably wasted against wraiths, they're faster so they can dictate the engagement. In this situation it would he better to keep them as a counter assault unit

**pretre**

Right. But with a sister squad, they survive on their own and can do stuff. That squad has to hope it doesn't get shot at.

**BlackTalos**

pretre wrote:
Right. But with a sister squad, they survive on their own and can do stuff. That squad has to hope it doesn't get shot at.

Yeah, i did like the effectiveness of the 20-Girl+Jacobus and 2 priests. I had celestine in the mix too, and i'm sure that can only help. She can always fly off in the later turns when there's less shooting / no more wraiths...

**Green is Best!**

war wrote:

So far the solutions that i've thought up involve killing the transports (my first approach), then killing the squads... problem is that the transports are AV13 skimmers and can jink for stupid saves.
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Scouting or drop podding dominions with 4 melta guns and ignores cover would be a viable solution.

**Captain Blood**

Green is Best! wrote:
war wrote:

So far the solutions that i've thought up involve killing the transports (my first approach), then killing the squads... problem is that the transports are AV13 skimmers and can jink for stupid saves.
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Scouting or drop podding dominions with 4 melta guns and ignores cover would be a viable solution.

That would need careful coordination with supporting units to avoid your Dominions being wiped out next turn.

**Green is Best!**

Captain Blood wrote:
Green is Best! wrote:
war wrote:

So far the solutions that i've thought up involve killing the transports (my first approach), then killing the squads... problem is that the transports are AV13 skimmers and can jink for stupid saves.
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Scouting or drop podding dominions with 4 melta guns and ignores cover would be a viable solution.

That would need careful coordination with supporting units to avoid your Dominions being wiped out next turn.

Pshaw! While I may play sisters, I still have an ork mentality at heart. I just like to get in the mix and smash things. I think that is why I am so desperate to make Pen Engines and Repentia work.

Of course, this may explain why I don't win very much either.....

**BlackTalos**

Green is Best! wrote:
Captain Blood wrote:
Green is Best! wrote:
war wrote:

So far the solutions that i've thought up involve killing the transports (my first approach), then killing the squads... problem is that the transports are AV13 skimmers and can jink for stupid saves.
.

Scouting or drop podding dominions with 4 melta guns and ignores cover would be a viable solution.

That would need careful coordination with supporting units to avoid your Dominions being wiped out next turn.

Pshaw! While I may play sisters, I still have an ork mentality at heart. I just like to get in the mix and smash things. I think that is why I am so desperate to make Pen Engines and Repentia work.

Of course, this may explain why I don't win very much either.....

Did you see this list? I mean playing it in a local gaming group might not show much but it has curbstomped a lot of players. A friend of mine's competition list (and entire SoB collection):

BlackTalos wrote:
So, i've been playing with a new list recently (not my list, but performs really well, and i'm just happy to play):

HQ choice
Cannoness - Storm Bolter

Celestian Command squad. Dialogus, 4HB
Immolator transport TL MM

Elite Choice
Repentia Squad

Troop choices
Battle sisters squad - Extra Sister,Flamer,Heavy Flamer
Immolator transport with twin Heavy Flamer

Battle sisters squad - Meltagun,Heavy Flamer
Immolator transport TL MM

Battle sisters squad - Meltagun,Heavy Flamer
Immolator transport with twin Heavy Flamer

Battle sisters squad - 5 extra sisters,Meltagun,Heavy Flamer, simulacrum.
Repressor transport

Fast attack choice
Dominion squad, 4xMeltaguns, Simularcum,Vet Superior with combi-Melta
Immolator transport TL MM, Laud Hailer

Heavy Support choices
3 x Penitent engines

Exorcist

Retributor Squad, 4xHeavy Bolters, extra Sister:Simularcum

Fortification Choice
Bastion, Quad gun, Void generator

Grand total = 2001pts

I am surprised how well the Penitent Engines have fared so far... With the Bastion forward and MSU immos. Having the PE at 6" coherency in the middle has drawn very little attention and usually allows for a Turn 2-3 Charge at full strength (Glancing hit or 2)

Captain Blood wrote:
Green is Best! wrote:
war wrote:

So far the solutions that i've thought up involve killing the transports (my first approach), then killing the squads... problem is that the transports are AV13 skimmers and can jink for stupid saves.
.

Scouting or drop podding dominions with 4 melta guns and ignores cover would be a viable solution.

That would need careful coordination with supporting units to avoid your Dominions being wiped out next turn.

If you are trying to be sparing with dominions, they will not work well.

They are much better off charging forward, earning their points cost and then being martyred in the most sisterly way ! !
If you can move more stuff forward and saturate the enemy position enough, they might not get the attention, but after Blowing up a land raider, they usually do lol...

**cycluv**

I always run 3 melta-dominion squads in Immolators. They are fast attack for a reason. Scout forward or outflank to take down the biggest/baddest thing on the other side of the table. Dominions die, that's the reality of it. They are one of the strongest alpha/beta strike units in the game. If you aren't aggressive with them, then you're not playing them right :-)

**Green is Best!**

My "normal" sisters list was usually quite devastating against chaos and space marines. It struggled against Tyranids and Tau with Riptides.

Typical list was:
St. C
2 BSS squads
3 Dom squads w/ Immolators (all melta)
3 Exorcists

Not glamorous, but tore power armor and terminator lists to shreds.

As mentioned earlier, I recently started fielding 8 Pen Engines and 3 squads of Repentia with Doms and BSS and Uriah. Was more effective than the internets said it would be, but really struggled against fliers.

**BlackTalos**

Green is Best! wrote:
As mentioned earlier, I recently started fielding 8 Pen Engines and 3 squads of Repentia with Doms and BSS and Uriah. Was more effective than the internets said it would be, but really struggled against fliers.

Pleaaasse read my last post

**pretre**

Looks like I have another 1850 3 game RT coming up. Thinking I may play that SOB/SW list again. Should be fun.

**PanzerLeader**

So I'm tweaking my list for the LVO and have 2 questions for the group:

1) Would you make Celestine the warlord to deny the point (StW is worth 10% of every game in the BAO format) or keep it as a BSS? I found it pretty easy to deny the point anyway at Templecon (she only died once in 5 games) and I like being able to use Celestine aggressively.

2) For an allied CCS, would you prefer to run 4x melta gun (in Vendetta) or Master of Ordnance plus a lascannon?

**pretre**

1) Depends on your style and list, but I like Celestine for warlord better.

2) Prob the Vendetta CCS.

**Zefig**

How do you deny with Celestine? I didn't think her coming back was optional, do you not attempt the test?

**pretre**

Zefig wrote:
How do you deny with Celestine? I didn't think her coming back was optional, do you not attempt the test?

It is optional. If you never roll for it, you never give up STW or a kp or first blood for her.

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Noodling ideas for that 1850.

Here's my last 1850 list that I got three wins with:

Spoiler:

and here's a funny one that I am seriously considering:

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**deviantduck**

This is what i'm taking to vegas next week for the championship tourney at LVO.

CAD:
Celestine
5 BSS with M/F in Repressor
5 BSS with MM in Backfield with Iron Priest
5 Dom with 4M in Repressor
5 Dom with 4M in Repressor
5 Dom with 4M in Drop Pod
Exorcist
Exorcist
Avenger Strike Fighter

CotGW:
Wolf Lord with TWM, Krakenbone, Runic Armor, Pelt of Balewolf
Iron Priest on TWM
Iron Priest on foot (with BSS backfield, or maybe with a squad of Doms)
3 TWC with SS/WC, SS/CCW, SS/PF
Drop Pod filled with Doms

So far it's been pretty devastating. I got a first blood last game by killing a Wratih Knight top of 1.

Also, OMFG is celestine amazing in the wolf unit. she gives them fearless and hit and run, and they give her toughness 5. it's just.. just.. brings a tear to my eye.

**PanzerLeader**

deviantduck wrote:
This is what i'm taking to vegas next week for the championship tourney at LVO.

CAD:
Celestine
5 BSS with M/F in Repressor
5 BSS with MM in Backfield with Iron Priest
5 Dom with 4M in Repressor
5 Dom with 4M in Repressor
5 Dom with 4M in Drop Pod
Exorcist
Exorcist
Avenger Strike Fighter

CotGW:
Wolf Lord with TWM, Krakenbone, Runic Armor, Pelt of Balewolf
Iron Priest on TWM
Iron Priest on foot (with BSS backfield, or maybe with a squad of Doms)
3 TWC with SS/WC, SS/CCW, SS/PF
Drop Pod filled with Doms

So far it's been pretty devastating. I got a first blood last game by killing a Wratih Knight top of 1.

Also, OMFG is celestine amazing in the wolf unit. she gives them fearless and hit and run, and they give her toughness 5. it's just.. just.. brings a tear to my eye.

Nice. I'll be there as well. Who is your warlord in this list?

I'll be running the following:

CAD
Celestine
10 BSS, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino
10 BSS, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino
5 Doms, 4 Melta, Immolator
5 Doms, 4 Melta, Immolator
3x Exorcist

AM Allies
CCS
Veterans, 3x plasma, chimera
2x Wyverns
Vendetta

**pretre**

deviantduck wrote:

Also, OMFG is celestine amazing in the wolf unit. she gives them fearless and hit and run, and they give her toughness 5. it's just.. just.. brings a tear to my eye.

That's what I've been saying. Let us know how it goes.

**Mavnas**

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Celtic Strike wrote:
Played a really rough game against the new crons. I basically only won because his wraith died to overwatch fire from a 5 girl squad. It took 1100 points of firing against a buffed warrior squad to shift them and even then I didn't kill them all.

What's our answer here? My battle plan can't simple be to hope they roll really badly.

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Is it just to take a 20 girl squad with 2 priests and just tarp it their units?

Yeah I've been thinking of this, outside of allies, Sisters have no answer to Wraiths at all. Giving them T5 was probably the stupidest move GW has done since 7th dropped.

Sisters have one of the most efficient counter to wraiths of them all. Crusaders + Priest with Litanies. Or really, Crusaders + priest, or Uriah's blob, or really any unit that rerolls a 3+ or 3++. Though against multiple wraith units you will need Celestine to allow the priests to make their Hymns on a 10 and multiple priest-containing units.

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Normally you need an expensive delivery mechanism, against enemies that want to be in melee, you just need to hang out near the things they'd like to charge.

**quiestdeus**

deviantduck wrote:

Also, OMFG is celestine amazing in the wolf unit. she gives them fearless and hit and run, and they give her toughness 5. it's just.. just.. brings a tear to my eye.

This sounds amazing! Can Celestine still get back up though if joined to the TWC? Or does she not count as part of their unit (and thus able to use her AoF) when she is removed as a casualty?

**deviantduck**

Her AoF is independent of her unit.

Also, Prere, I plan on photo documenting all 6 of my games with battle reports.

**Mavnas**

Yeah, she's the only sister who can AoF in a non-Sisters unit, since hers triggers after she is removed from the unit.

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Also, did you guys see that Cyberwolves got their T bumped to 5?

I bring this up because an Iron Priest + 4 cyberwolves can join a unit. If they weren't so expensive you could add a priest on a wolf + 4 wolves x2 to 9 seraphim and Celestine and have 7(10) 2+ Sv. wounds at T5, 9 wounds at 3+/6++ rerollable in a 20 model blob that moves 12".

The problem, is I think they're not cost effective :(
I also thought of adding Uriah instead to have 9 3+/rerollable 5++ T5 wounds, but at that cost there's probably cheaper ways to achieve similar things.

Maybe running the guy, 4 wolves and a 4 man battle conclave with a priest? (So they're T5, under 300 points and run with the crusaders in front until the turn where they need to make a long charge where the wolves run forward to make sure the charge doesn't fail?)