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I swear by Repressors.

Repressors are awesome. But if you're like me and don't have them, then it's critical to time when your dominions hop out correctly. If you don't have the right target, stay inside and wait a turn so you can maneuver into a better position. 40K is all about creating favorable situations where the balance between risk and reward is in your favor.

PanzerLeader wrote:
Repressors are awesome. But if you're like me and don't have them, then it's critical to time when your dominions hop out correctly. If you don't have the right target, stay inside and wait a turn so you can maneuver into a better position. 40K is all about creating favorable situations where the balance between risk and reward is in your favor.

Agreed.

You haven't kitbashed some yet? Get on it!

 pretre wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:
Repressors are awesome. But if you're like me and don't have them, then it's critical to time when your dominions hop out correctly. If you don't have the right target, stay inside and wait a turn so you can maneuver into a better position. 40K is all about creating favorable situations where the balance between risk and reward is in your favor.

Agreed.

You haven't kitbashed some yet? Get on it!

The B&C forum has a really cool conversion if it's any motivation?

When i saw that i wondered how easy it could have been (I can see the Bottom part of the turret used, the rhino hatch, front cover slits) though it must have take a while to measure it all up. The result is astounding though...

I like mine better.

Everybody posting their Celestine, I got to post mine :

Very old pic, I have seen green stuffed the gap between the wings. It looks terrible on that picture!
You will also notice that she is weeping blood, and that the earth is weeping blood on her passage too, because martyrdom, and blood-weeping statues, and rule of cool.
It is a bit harder to see that she is weeping blood because she is black, though.
I would love to add a shield to the hand she holds the dove with.

Doms in repressors or drop pods. That's all about risk vs reward. You can be reasonably confident that your repdoms are going to stick around long enough to do something. Dropdoms have been working out pretty well for me lately but they've been a little too swingy for my tastes. Things really started to sour when I dropped three units around a wraithknight and ended up doing two wounds, at which point it just ran off to kill my HQ squad.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Zefig wrote:
Mine could arguably be considered a lance...

Spoiler:

Notice me Sempaaiiii. I've already told you I followed your step by step guide to make mine right?

Yes! It's hard work, innit? :p I like your wings, I still second-guess my decision to pattern mine. Definitely love the blending on your sword, too. Blending is not my thing.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Everybody posting their Celestine, I got to post mine :

Spoiler:

Very old pic, I have seen green stuffed the gap between the wings. It looks terrible on that picture!
You will also notice that she is weeping blood, and that the earth is weeping blood on her passage too, because martyrdom, and blood-weeping statues, and rule of cool.
It is a bit harder to see that she is weeping blood because she is black, though.
I would love to add a shield to the hand she holds the dove with.

Okay, all that blood is awesome. Nice! Definitely like the look of the lance too.

 Zefig wrote:
Doms in repressors or drop pods. That's all about risk vs reward. You can be reasonably confident that your repdoms are going to stick around long enough to do something. Dropdoms have been working out pretty well for me lately but they've been a little too swingy for my tastes. Things really started to sour when I dropped three units around a wraithknight and ended up doing two wounds, at which point it just ran off to kill my HQ squad.

Depends on the list too. If I'm going to do drop doms, I want to be all drop.

 Zefig wrote:
Okay, all that blood is awesome. Nice! Definitely like the look of the lance too.

Thanks! I got the lance from the same place I got the wings, Louen Lion-hearth old model.
I wonder why they sold her without wing, maybe it was to encourage awesome conversions like we all did. But what is the most puzzling is: why did they sold her with a small base, iirc? We all had the common sense to use a big one .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Zefig wrote:
Okay, all that blood is awesome. Nice! Definitely like the look of the lance too.

Thanks! I got the lance from the same place I got the wings, Louen Lion-hearth old model.
I wonder why they sold her without wing, maybe it was to encourage awesome conversions like we all did. But what is the most puzzling is: why did they sold her with a small base, iirc? We all had the common sense to use a big one .

Mine came with a big base.

Oh. Maybe I am misremembering. I just know mine has a small base that is glued on the big base.

She's come with both over the years.

When I bought her in 4ed the blister came with both sizes. I used the bigger one as it helped keep her from falling over all the time.

So this is the first draft, taken some community ideas and added a lot of my own.
It contains a few historical special characters, including the Sisters of silence.

New unit options, a new flame tank, upgrades to Seraphim, Redepmtionist, ect

Rules for the big Orders Militant (Ala Chapter tactics) new formations and a detachment.

Still needs some work so I'd appreciate the help.

It's set up like the new 7th edition codexes but with a few blank pages so I can shift stuff
around. My photoshop fu is weak so it's set up on a spread sheet but its a viewable PDF.

Let me know what you think


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/653214.page

Finished 6th overall at Wargamescon. I'll post a summary when I get home to Boston on Tuesday.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Oh. Maybe I am misremembering. I just know mine has a small base that is glued on the big base.

Mine also came with a puny 25mm (only). She was a 2013 recent buy too.... Maybe old stock?

 Zefig wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Zefig wrote:
Mine could arguably be considered a lance...

Spoiler:

Notice me Sempaaiiii. I've already told you I followed your step by step guide to make mine right?

Yes! It's hard work, innit? :p I like your wings, I still second-guess my decision to pattern mine. Definitely love the blending on your sword, too. Blending is not my thing.

I think the pattern works really well with the colour scheme. As my scheme was Black & Caliban i thought about doing the pattern but i needed a bright colour and decided to go the easy way out.
Same for the modelling, i kept it to a minimum: Cut torso, add legs, add wings, modify left arm and left it at that. Considered your amazing conversion of the right arm but left it. Put the weaving scrolls on her waist instead.

For the Sword it is no blending but a layer of pure white, dry-brushed thinly with yellow mixed with blood red until pure.
Dry-brushing is very easy
(Again - Easy way out lol)

PanzerLeader wrote:
Finished 6th overall at Wargamescon. I'll post a summary when I get home to Boston on Tuesday.

Holy crap. Good job!

I'm looking for a bit of advice I was pondering on taking my Sisters to my next tournament, only thing is its going to be 1850 points with all the toys allowed so there will be a few Warhounds and Revenants.

I cant afford one of these so I'm looking for a counter tactic or something cool and cheap (money wise) that could handle one of these bad boys, thoughts on a postcard please. I don't mind using allies but don't have any guard at present so would have to be minimal models if it went that route.

Enough melta will down anything. 

Repentia chew through titans like Randy G. chews gum. Delivery options lack, however.

pretre wrote:Enough melta will down anything. 

I've not played vs one yet but getting close enough wont be easy from what I've read.

Furyou Miko wrote:Repentia chew through titans like Randy G. chews gum. Delivery options lack, however.

You could use a LR or something else allied in.

 GiraffeX wrote:

pretre wrote:Enough melta will down anything. 

I've not played vs one yet but getting close enough wont be easy from what I've read.

3 Dominions with Repressors and scout should get pretty close. Of course, they'll probably bubble wrap it.

You could always go with allied drop pods.

 pretre wrote:

 GiraffeX wrote:

pretre wrote:Enough melta will down anything. 

I've not played vs one yet but getting close enough wont be easy from what I've read.

3 Dominions with Repressors and scout should get pretty close. Of course, they'll probably bubble wrap it.

You could always go with allied drop pods.

Plus there will be a bit of fire power from the Exorcists.

hmm I need to see if I can afford to upgrade my Sisters enough, they also have a Knight Errant.

Thanks for the advise pretre I need to get my thinking cap on.


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How about something like this?

St Celestine

Battle Sister Squad
Flamer x2 
Immolator 
Twin Linked Multi-Melta 

Battle Sister Squad
Flamer x2 
Immolator 
Twin Linked Multi-Melta 

Exorcist

Exorcist

Dominion Squad
Superior
Melta Gun x4 
Combi Melta
Immolator 
Twin Linked Multi Melta 

Dominion Squad
Superior
Melta Gun x4 
Combi Melta
Immolator 
Twin Linked Multi Melta 

Dominion Squad
Melta Gun x4 
Immolator 
Twin Linked Multi Melta 

Space wolf allies

Wolf Lord
Thunder Wolf
Runic Armour
Black Death
Melta Bombs
Storm Shield

Thunderwolf Cavalry x6
PF/SS x4
WC/SS
WCx2

Grey Hunters
5 man unit

I'd personally ignore a Titan at 1850 and focus on killing its supporting units first. Bringing the TWC unit plays into the strength of ranged D though (it's ability to quickly remove multi wound models). If you really want to go with the TWC, use the Wolves Unleashed detachment or the Champions of Fenris detachment. Drop the BSS transports to Rhinos so they can flame from the inside and replace the Grey Hunter tax with some Iron Priests on TWCs with cyber wolves to get some bodies to LOS D hits. Also gives you more S10 for melee.

IIRC Space Wolves have access to Fast Attack Drop Pods?

As pretre suggests: Put 2 Squads of Dominions in Drop Pods, keep a 3rd empty (or fill with a spare BSS Squad for ObSec)

Drop Both up the Titan's bu** and watch it go down nicely.

Bonus if you get its Void shields down with exorcist fire first.

 BlackTalos wrote:
IIRC Space Wolves have access to Fast Attack Drop Pods?

As pretre suggests: Put 2 Squads of Dominions in Drop Pods, keep a 3rd empty (or fill with a spare BSS Squad for ObSec)

Drop Both up the Titan's bu** and watch it go down nicely.

Bonus if you get its Void shields down with exorcist fire first.

Will it? Lets assume everything goes perfectly average against armor 12. Your dominions will get between 6 and 7 hits, of which ~5 will penetrate on AV12 inside 6". 5 pens results in about ~2 explosions. That averages to about 9 hull points to a super heavy (3 from each explodes result plus 3 from the additional penetrations that had other results). 9 hull points will kill the average titan but remember, I just made the assumption that the titan had no saves and all your melta made it inside 6". As soon as you start adding friction (cover saves, invulnerable saves (sky shield, ion shields, etc.),holo-fields, bubble wrap to reduce the number of meltas in ideal threat range, etc.) the odds of success go down dramatically.

I stand by what I said earlier: you are better off killing all of the titan's supporting units and ignoring it. Accept the damage it does and try to mitigate the bulk of it through spacing and use of terrain (since only a "6" ignores your cover and almost all weapons still need LOS for the initial shot). MSU does this best. Even if the 900+ point titan kills two exorcists in a turn (highly unlikely), you still come out ahead if you peel away his support units and spread the board to cover all objectives. Remove his obsec and even the largest titan can only contest/control one objective at the end of the game.

With the assumption of 5 Melta shots (each squad), within 6", and with successful Ignore cover Act of faith (removing some of the "friction"), on AV12 i get:

10 Shots, 6.67 Hits, 0.56 Glances and 5.56 Pens.

With the Pens, you get 1.85 explosions, and add aprox 2HP for each.
I conclude 11HP down, you could round down to 10.

Agreed on the no saves, which is why I mentioned removing the Void shields with Exorcists, though anything but the much larger Reavers or anything of similar size would not go down, but compare points.... How much is a Reaver V 2 Dominions Squads in drop pods?
Make that 4 Doms V the Reaver and you're stripping 20HP, most likely at a cheaper cost anyway.

I never said it was the very best tactic, but "Ignoring it" is not always the best option. I have played an 8 Turbo-lasers Reaver and "Ignoring it" will have you tabled fast. (This was before 7th ed. and Cover/Invuns on D-weapons)

Also, the maths above can really go both ways. If you get a few more "explodes" than that 2 or get a bit more lucky on the +D3 I've seen superheavies go down very fast. They also usually try to go for your Doms if you did not finish it, where your 6+ Invun might save them for another salvo. (Just a game where this happened: Titan was firing from backfield with most of the army at deployment line. Only Titan would fire/charge at (outflanking) dominions and failed to kill all of them. The second turn of fire took him down)

@BlackTalos: Ignoring it has worked well for me, especially if its an Eldar superheavy with holofields. You might get a turn to pounce when he forgets to move (dropping the holofield from a 3+ to a 4+). Dominions coming out of pods generally won't have any buffs for the LD 8 check for the act of faith (no laud hailers on pods and Celestine most likely out of range). In 6th edition ranged D was killer. I used to have to spread bikes out with super odd angles to prevent the blast from ever catching more than two on a direct hit. In 7th, ranged D is much more manageable-especially if you get something like conqueror of cities for your warlord trait and your whole army gets Stealth ruins.

The other challenge is GiraffeX still has to have some TAC capability for the tournament. He can't just bring an anti-titan list because then he might hit a horde army and be SOL. A TAC sisters list has enough AT to threaten a titan if it needs to without having to tailor and sacrifice utility.

Of course, it will vary for every list faced, but these were comments looking at his current list. I'd echo pretre's comment that those 3 Dominion Squads could really do well with Drop Pods, even if they don't actually drop just behind the Titan (if there is one).

Problem is the Wolves are an Allied Detachment, so no 3 Drop Slots (although even 1 could work quite well in that list).

Saying that, i've never actually played "Drop Doms" but on paper it just sounds completely over-kill.....

Take the wolves as Company of the Great Wolf to get 3 fast attacks.