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Oberron wrote:
Could always make it cheaper by either dropping repressors for BSS and use the BSS as back line objective holders. Back line bss one could drop the flamers if needed. OR even replace st celestine and/or jacobus with a cheap cannoness.

And not everyone uses FW so one could replace all the repressors with either rhinos or immolaters

You COULD do that, but it would make it a worse list.

Rhinos for the win

 Jancoran wrote:
Rhinos for the win

If I was going to swap, I certainly wouldn't use Rhinos. Yuck. If I swap all the Repressors to Immos, I could add another Exorcist.

 pretre wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Rhinos for the win

If I was going to swap, I certainly wouldn't use Rhinos. Yuck. If I swap all the Repressors to Immos, I could add another Exorcist.

Hey whatever way works for you. I play too mobile to enjoy firing the Multimelta very often so i dont prefer the Immolators.

Aesthetically, immos all the way, one of the sexiest tanks in the game in my opinion. I run two of them and they pull their weight for me. But I only do small battles with my force cause it's so small right now. I'm hardly a judge of what is competitive for sisters right now.

I think if you can run Repressors, you run Repressors. They have such a huge upside, and AV13 hits that sweet spot in terms of where you can't rely on lots of mid-strength shots to hull point something to death. You have to use dedicated AT to take out what amounts to a glorified Rhino. Now that FW seems unlikely to ever bring it back, I've been seriously thinking about scratchbuilding and casting my own parts.

 the_Armyman wrote:
I think if you can run Repressors, you run Repressors. They have such a huge upside, and AV13 hits that sweet spot in terms of where you can't rely on lots of mid-strength shots to hull point something to death. You have to use dedicated AT to take out what amounts to a glorified Rhino. Now that FW seems unlikely to ever bring it back, I've been seriously thinking about scratchbuilding and casting my own parts.

I'm unlikely to indulge in them. Forge World and so on. But I see the attraction for sure. Plus they arent attrocious looking. As has been said, Immolators are pretty sexy.

 Jancoran wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
I think if you can run Repressors, you run Repressors. They have such a huge upside, and AV13 hits that sweet spot in terms of where you can't rely on lots of mid-strength shots to hull point something to death. You have to use dedicated AT to take out what amounts to a glorified Rhino. Now that FW seems unlikely to ever bring it back, I've been seriously thinking about scratchbuilding and casting my own parts.

I'm unlikely to indulge in them. Forge World and so on. But I see the attraction for sure. Plus they arent attrocious looking. As has been said, Immolators are pretty sexy.

The lack of fire points is making me slowly move away from immolators, especially for my dominions. Bailing them out to shoot is the quickest way to ensure they're demise it seems. I'm going to move over to repressors for my dominions (ramshackle games makes sweet looking alternatives) and probably keep Rhinos for my BSS squads to use the 80 points for other things in my list.

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
I think if you can run Repressors, you run Repressors. They have such a huge upside, and AV13 hits that sweet spot in terms of where you can't rely on lots of mid-strength shots to hull point something to death. You have to use dedicated AT to take out what amounts to a glorified Rhino. Now that FW seems unlikely to ever bring it back, I've been seriously thinking about scratchbuilding and casting my own parts.

I'm unlikely to indulge in them. Forge World and so on. But I see the attraction for sure. Plus they arent attrocious looking. As has been said, Immolators are pretty sexy.

The lack of fire points is making me slowly move away from immolators, especially for my dominions. Bailing them out to shoot is the quickest way to ensure they're demise it seems. I'm going to move over to repressors for my dominions (ramshackle games makes sweet looking alternatives) and probably keep Rhinos for my BSS squads to use the 80 points for other things in my list.

Yup the firepoints did it with me too.

I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

 Hoitash wrote:
I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

Talk to an IG player. The Leman Russ dozers work out pretty well.

 pretre wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

Talk to an IG player. The Leman Russ dozers work out pretty well.

That was my plan -our group has enough of 'em, and their busy enough they could probably part with one for cheap.

I recently got my power armour handed to me by daemonettes, anyone have some thoughts (besides imperial knights, which is my current plan.)

Volume of fire and staying in your vehicle. Daemonettes aren't particularly tough to take down.

 Hoitash wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

Talk to an IG player. The Leman Russ dozers work out pretty well.

That was my plan -our group has enough of 'em, and their busy enough they could probably part with one for cheap.

I recently got my power armour handed to me by daemonettes, anyone have some thoughts (besides imperial knights, which is my current plan.)

What did the demon player field?

Demonettes murder in Close Combat - so don't let them get there. T3 with a 5+ save doesn't go very far against massed Bolter fire, so you should be able to drop them pretty quick - just watch out for their +3" when running and don't get surprised by a quick moving unit of them coming out of Deep Strike. Of course, if the Demonettes have Psychic/Grimoire support then you're in real trouble.

Imperial Knights are actually a pretty good counter to Demons, since AV13 is an awkward for demons to deal with since they lack 'true' anti-tank options unless they want to gamble a D-Thirster or Belakor to take it out. Probably expect for it to be tarpitted by something until Plaguebearers can arrive to try to glance it out.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Demonettes murder in Close Combat - so don't let them get there. T3 with a 5+ save doesn't go very far against massed Bolter fire, so you should be able to drop them pretty quick - just watch out for their +3" when running and don't get surprised by a quick moving unit of them coming out of Deep Strike. Of course, if the Demonettes have Psychic/Grimoire support then you're in real trouble.

Imperial Knights are actually a pretty good counter to Demons, since AV13 is an awkward for demons to deal with since they lack 'true' anti-tank options unless they want to gamble a D-Thirster or Belakor to take it out. Probably expect for it to be tarpitted by something until Plaguebearers can arrive to try to glance it out.

That extra 3" really mounts up over the course of 5 turns!

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

Talk to an IG player. The Leman Russ dozers work out pretty well.

That was my plan -our group has enough of 'em, and their busy enough they could probably part with one for cheap.

I recently got my power armour handed to me by daemonettes, anyone have some thoughts (besides imperial knights, which is my current plan.)

What did the demon player field?

Two Daemon Princes, two big blobs of Daemonettes with Heralds, and a Keeper of Secrets. Because of psyker shenanigans I wasn't able to drop the big guys before they popped my immos and turned my Sisters into... I'd rather not talk about it. They made the Retributors watch.

It didn't help that my seraphim missed their deep strike, though. Those hand flamers woulda done the trick. Oh, and my Doms were in the middle of nowhere.

My orks fared a bit better until the daemonettes Cuisinearted them into fungus stew (my Flash Gitz managed to kill the Keeper though.). So my plan next time is have my Acheron burn them all while I laugh maniacally (until the Princes murder it, I mean.)

 Hoitash wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Hoitash wrote:
I've had the Immo's TL Melta save my hide too many times to get rid of them, but I do have my Doms roll in a Repressor (need to get my hands on a Dozer Blade so I can build one though.)

Talk to an IG player. The Leman Russ dozers work out pretty well.

That was my plan -our group has enough of 'em, and their busy enough they could probably part with one for cheap.

I recently got my power armour handed to me by daemonettes, anyone have some thoughts (besides imperial knights, which is my current plan.)

What did the demon player field?

Two Daemon Princes, two big blobs of Daemonettes with Heralds, and a Keeper of Secrets. Because of psyker shenanigans I wasn't able to drop the big guys before they popped my immos and turned my Sisters into... I'd rather not talk about it. They made the Retributors watch.

It didn't help that my seraphim missed their deep strike, though. Those hand flamers woulda done the trick. Oh, and my Doms were in the middle of nowhere.

My orks fared a bit better until the daemonettes Cuisinearted them into fungus stew (my Flash Gitz managed to kill the Keeper though.). So my plan next time is have my Acheron burn them all while I laugh maniacally (until the Princes murder it, I mean.)

So there are two approaches to dealing with that kind of list. First, you can try to kill the buffing units so that the blobs will be more manageable. This is actually the more difficult proposition. Its easy for the psykers to hide in units or get good cover saves and the Sisters army is relatively short ranged meaning you have to get into assault range to target them effectively.

The second option is to target the demonettes first to attrite them and ignore the psykers until you have a good opportunity to mass on them without demonette retaliation. This is much easier, particularly if you ally in high rate of fire barrage weapons. If you don't, HB retributors work well here in the medium range band. Deployment helps too. Set up on a flank so you can fight the blobs near to far and use your transports to limit access/redeploy as needed.

Hope that helps.

Edit: I'd also consider starting your seraphim on the table in this match up. They are fast and you want those flamers in close to protect your lines.

Use your rhinos and immolators to tank shock and squish them together. Then flamer them.

Additionally, throw out one unit to take their charge (and die), while the remainder of your troops bolter them to death, then fall back.. Just like orks, focus fire on one unit at a time until its dead. Rinse and repeat.

Having a lowly 5 girl BSS squad charge up 1" away from them and rapid fire them forces them to slow down their charge. The cover save they get is the same as their invul, so you're not losing anything firing through your own troops.

So I've been kicking around some changes to my list as I gear up for LVO. What do you guys/girls think of these variants? The real key trade offs are (1) Yarrick versus 4 plasma guns and additional vehicle and (2) Culexus versus Servo Skull Inquisitor. Suggestions for additional unit ideas in the short point lists would be great as well. I'm toying around with the idea of throwing in some scout sentinels for area denial/out flank options but all ideas are welcome.

CORE (no significant changes in either case):
Sisters CAD:
Celestine
2x5 BSS, Heavy Flamer, Melta Gun, Rhino
3x5 Dominion, 4x Melta gun, Repressor
2x Exorcist

Allied AM:
Veterans, 3x plasma gun, chimera
2x Wyvern

Core Total: 1465

Variant A:
Add CCS, 4x plasma, chimera
Add 1 Exorcist
Add Inquisitor, 3x skulls
Sprinkle upgrades to taste
Variant A Total: 1809

Variant B:
Add Yarrick
Add Culexus
Add ???
Variant B Total: 1750

Variant C:
Add Yarrick
Add 1 Exorcist
Add Inquisitor, 3x skulls
Add ???
Variant C Total: 1769

Hey - was just flipping through the book (electronically) for the first time in a long while and noticed the formations at the back. Are those for regular 40k use? Are any of them any good?

teddet wrote:
Hey - was just flipping through the book (electronically) for the first time in a long while and noticed the formations at the back. Are those for regular 40k use? Are any of them any good?

Apoc only.

PanzerLeader,

What is your goal with Yarrick? Just a nasty beat stick in the Chimera? Or a stubborn HQ with a PF for AT?

talljosh85 wrote:
PanzerLeader,

What is your goal with Yarrick? Just a nasty beat stick in the Chimera? Or a stubborn HQ with a PF for AT?

I'm thinking of pairing him with Celestine when he hops out of the Chimera to be part of an annoying bully unit that just crushes non-dedicated melee units. The troll factor of both of them standing back up is hilarious and with PE: Orcs and Hit and Run the pair of them could hold off a green tide forever (especially if the Wyvern barrage keeps killing off power fists). Its also just a second assault unit to help clear objectives late in the game.

Okay, I do love the troll-ability of "ha, I'm not dead!" and their respective CC abilities to pair quite nicely. I dig the theme.

I have extra Repressor dozer blades if anyone wants them.

Hey there. won my tournament this last weekend. Thought I'd share.

Fought Imperial Fists (turn 3 capitulation), War Convocation (conceded on his bottom of three) and Castigator + Khornate Daemonkin list (super big unpleasant word to describe this guy, extra sweet to beat HIM).

Go sistahs!

 Jancoran wrote:
Hey there. won my tournament this last weekend. Thought I'd share.

Fought Imperial Fists (turn 3 capitulation), War Convocation (conceded on his bottom of three) and Castigator + Khornate Daemonkin list (super big unpleasant word to describe this guy, extra sweet to beat HIM).

Go sistahs!

Nice. List? Battle reports? General strats used?

List was basic
2 x Canoness

4 x Dominion Squads in Rhino

1x Retributor Squad in Rhino

1 x Sisters of Battle in Rhino

2 x Sisters of Battle units.

I armed them all with meltas and Combi-Meltas. the Retributors had heavy Flamers and Combi-Flamer. Threw in Meltabombs because: melta

Imperial Fists: Turns out Centurions AREN'T fond of Meltas. They also don't like it when you get first turn. In fact the entire army doesnt like it, especially when Rhinos block their counter punch. Anywho. Modified Maelstrom mission. All's quiet on the Western Front. This one was kinda over before it began.

War Convocation with Imperial Knight: Scouted, then killed his Sicarians (technically ran off the board), Imperial Knight and Breachers turn one with Dominions. Round two, heavy Flamered his Sicarians midfield where they had assaulted me (as i realized later, illegally but for some reason we both brain farted and so he had assaulted me on his turn one after I moved up... Der. dumb mistake on my part for not catching that rules faux pa but what was done was done, it was an honest mistkae i felt and he wasnt trying to get one over on me). Also killed other Kataphrons. Round three, killed everything but his two Vanguard, and I want to say he might have had that big Defiler looking Dune-walker-thingee left? Anyways He conceded after his shooting was done. The Rhinos played big in preserving my units and then allowing them to deluge their targets again.

Final opponent: Tyler. One of the worst gaming experiences. Tyler big timed me from the word go, had to be corrected throughout the game by the TO (like five different occassions, literally on everything from his Forge World rules to his charges) and acted like I was some kind of noob or something, going so far as to talk in a voice I can only describe as the one you use when speaking to your baby son. Seriously. It was infuriating. His way of "getting into your head or some crap" Anywho, he had taken a CASTGATOR with his D-Thister, a Heldrake, a Soul Grinder, a Juggylord and Khorne hounds for miles. Couple cultist units because he had to. Relic mission,. I baited him to the right as long as i could and even jumped out of rhinos to make myself available as a target, and used movement to trap the Castigator in place, which forced his stuff to come help and try to preserve it. I then won the game after my reserves came on to take the objective. He tried to get back in time, smashing into me with Juggy Lord and D-Thirster, but my Rhinos once again saved the day, slowing his ability to kill my units and as i went second, the relic was mine s long as he couldnt kill ALL my reserves. He was killing everything he touched so that wasnt a tall order. Lol. His list steam rolled two people, including the top player at that store (Im told by Jaron the manager) in round one but I got a feeling that dude just... Probably wanted that game to end as badly as I did. During Tylers first game he was telling the top dude how he automatically hits because the guys tanks hadn't moved, as an example of the mind games this guy was playing just to see if his opponent knew better. He also didn't seem to want to charge legally in a straight line , wanted blasts to affect only the top level... I felt for the "top dude" during his game, not realizing Id have to play Tyler later myself. oofta.

Anyways, stellar outing. I actually went undfeated at the Charity tournament on Saturday (using Night Lords) and then this one using Adepta Sororitas. Great weekend of gaming.

Nice Jancoran, Sister FTW!