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 the_Armyman wrote:


That will be the deathknell.

The deathknell of what?

To completely end the faction in the game, GW would have to not only remove the models from their webstore, but also remove the rules from the Black Library website. That wouldn't even end the faction necessarily since the models and rules would continue to float around. Not only that, but with so many 3rd party models, you can easily build a plastic SoB army. Unless GW issues an edict that the rules are no longer valid or 8th edition is so wildly different than what came before, we could just continue to play an unsupported faction. How different is that really from what's going on today.

All the hope in this thread.

It's delicious. It sustains me.

Well the reality is theres a lot of history behind the Sisters of Battle and they are actually fantastic looking on the table in my opinion.

The one thing this always makes me want to do is go to bigger venues. I get asked all the time to attend in order to "prove" this or that but the reality is, I don't give a damn about most of the people who think I owe it to them.

But when you start talking about nuking an entire franchise, I get nervous, and I actually want to go kick a bunch of ass at those bigger venues just to bring awareness up on them.

When you look at Tournament results, tjhey don't mean much unless there's an even number of every codex present and even then only if decent generals ran all of them.

Sisters of Battle need a good general to lead them and a good list and we'd need a lot of them to impact the meta. I see the volume of posters here and think: What could happen if ten of us committed to a group trip to represent the Sisters of Battle at Bay Area Open? One or two won't do it. We need 10-15 for it to be fair. But consider what might happen if, as happened at the Elvensword Ambassadorial Tournament, the Adepta Sororitas made it to the finals? or just a couple in the top ten?

Games Workshop might notice or at least their employees. And the torch might burn just a tiny bit brighter. And maybe more people would try them... and that is the kind of thing that GW DOES respond to.

Anywho, Just musing about it. Twould be so cool to organize 10-15 Sisters of Battle players to make a swing at it.

pretre wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
. We'll know when the first metal mini for the SoB goes OOP. That will be the deathknell.

Multiple metal minis for SOB have gone out of print. Several each year.

You're correct, but there has always been enough to allow you to create every codex unit. We are now hitting a tipping point: the Immo is gone and the next metal mini that goes OOP will create gaps in the list.

bogalubov wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:


That will be the deathknell.

The deathknell of what?

To completely end the faction in the game, GW would have to not only remove the models from their webstore, but also remove the rules from the Black Library website. That wouldn't even end the faction necessarily since the models and rules would continue to float around. Not only that, but with so many 3rd party models, you can easily build a plastic SoB army. Unless GW issues an edict that the rules are no longer valid or 8th edition is so wildly different than what came before, we could just continue to play an unsupported faction. How different is that really from what's going on today.

The end of official support is the death knell; the dreaded fate of the Squats Yes, no GW police are going to come into your house and seize your minis or wipe the Internet clean of references to SoB. But, it's not hard to see a future where Sisters are removed from the webstore entirely as their line of available minis dwindles.

It's all speculation right now, but when the radio goes silent, voices will fill the silence. Maybe the Immo shows up on the website tomorrow and we can have a good chuckle at my silliness for suggesting otherwise!

 the_Armyman wrote:


The end of official support is the death knell; the dreaded fate of the Squats Yes, no GW police are going to come into your house and seize your minis or wipe the Internet clean of references to SoB. But, it's not hard to see a future where Sisters are removed from the webstore entirely as their line of available minis dwindles.

It's all speculation right now, but when the radio goes silent, voices will fill the silence. Maybe the Immo shows up on the website tomorrow and we can have a good chuckle at my silliness for suggesting otherwise!

But it goes beyond the models. The rules would have to be pulled as well. If GW is offering rules and no models, that means someone else will be profiting from the sale of alternate models. That's one of the few things that GW has shown an unwillingness to tolerate.

It's even easier to pull the Sisters codex off the shelf than other codexes, isn't it? A few clicks with a mouse button by the BL website admin and it's gone.

Its an electronic intellectual property with almost no cost to them to fix or change it. So There is no bonus for them to cancel it. Its a product they can continue to "support" with little effort. I see no reason to tick off an enormous chunk of people when you can sort of quietly just give them some formations at some point and call it a day. No big production runs need be done and they already know you can get the models elsewhere so why not let another company do it for a while until they actually have something solid to offer on the Sisters of Battle side? I think its a no lose for them to leave it in play.

 Jancoran wrote:
Its an electronic intellectual property with almost no cost to them to fix or change it. So There is no bonus for them to cancel it. Its a product they can continue to "support" with little effort. I see no reason to tick off an enormous chunk of people when you can sort of quietly just give them some formations at some point and call it a day. No big production runs need be done and they already know you can get the models elsewhere so why not let another company do it for a while until they actually have something solid to offer on the Sisters of Battle side? I think its a no lose for them to leave it in play.

Are we both talking about the same company? Games workshop, right? If they don't offer the models for sale, it doesn't exist anymore.

For what it's worth, I brought this up at my GW store last week.

The staffer said it wasn't a terrible sign... if there is a release on the calendar, including way down the line, they make an effort to deplete stock on hand. They don't want to have to eat whatever they couldn't sell through, so they're letting it dwindle; that's why they didn't recast the whole line of multiple poses last time around, just the minimum models to build an army. He figured if they are relaunching the old models in plastic, it would probably require new molds to be made (the others are 20+ years old). If there are new models in the pipeline, they'll want to launch them to an empty shelf if they can sell through what they've got, and it will need to be timed with other releases.

He said philosophically they don't intend to repeat what they did with the Squats (of course, they are a business-- anything could happen, bottom line, etc.), and emphasized that the mention in the recent Blood Angels canon is a very good sign. His inference is that they are on the development calendar somewhere in the future. He wouldn't go so far as to say versatile plastics, flyers, formations, etc... but that would be the trend. Not sure what to make of it all, but I'll keep playing them. I've got about 2000 points with a winning record and a lot of work to do on them, so I'll just keep painting and dispensing the Emperor's justice until something changes.

Back to Jancoran's idea though, we should try to get a good showing at the same tournament. I made it to 20 overall at the LVO last year, but one person doing it will be written off a an aberration.

MacPhail wrote:For what it's worth, I brought this up at my GW store last week.

The staffer said it wasn't a terrible sign... if there is a release on the calendar, including way down the line, they make an effort to deplete stock on hand. They don't want to have to eat whatever they couldn't sell through, so they're letting it dwindle; that's why they didn't recast the whole line of multiple poses last time around, just the minimum models to build an army. He figured if they are relaunching the old models in plastic, it would probably require new molds to be made (the others are 20+ years old). If there are new models in the pipeline, they'll want to launch them to an empty shelf if they can sell through what they've got, and it will need to be timed with other releases.

Anything is possible, this is the great and mysterious GW, after all. But the Immo was not at the top of my list for things that needed redesigned.

PanzerLeader wrote:Back to Jancoran's idea though, we should try to get a good showing at the same tournament. I made it to 20 overall at the LVO last year, but one person doing it will be written off a an aberration.

Start a thread or Facebook group and start getting some commitments! I'd commit, but I have the double drawbacks of both not being willing to travel for a tournament and not being a particularly great tactical mind. Besides, I have a reputation to uphold, and I'd hate for some of you to get to know me and realize I'm not an donkey-cave

Even if they get ended, I'll just end up using them as counts-as something else.

Well it certainly would be MORE worthwhile to go if we had a posse.

I just think that would be an incredibly fun idea. I would ACTUALLY bother going to one of these majors if we could adequately represent the Sisters of Battle at it.


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PanzerLeader wrote:
Back to Jancoran's idea though, we should try to get a good showing at the same tournament. I made it to 20 overall at the LVO last year, but one person doing it will be written off a an aberration.

BTW: 20th is totally respectable, but people need to see several do it.

One of the things about these tournament standings is that so much of it is just opportunity. It simply is true that there ARE more Space Marine factions present to knock out the would be challengers. So they will always appear near the top just by dent of their numbers. The Eldar are kind of an abberation because until the Wraith Knight was officially and truly broken (Gargantuan? Really guys?) after the Wave serpent had been truly broken before that (seriously guys?) who was doing anything with Eldar really?

But with 15 Adepta Sororitas Generals it gives us more opportunities to knock out the competition and that will naturally place more of us top side but more critically, we simply have more chances and will appear more frequently than ever and that might make a few people take notice of what we are doing.

I dunno. I'm serious. I would totally posse up. So let's get some kind of a vote going on who WOULD do this IF we got ten people to commit? Maybe we can go straight to the organization that runs it and say "hey look, would you be down for making sure these players got tickets if we can ensure that the Adepta Sororitas get represented 15 times?".

Things like this can happen.

If it wasn't on the other side of the world

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 Shandara wrote:
If it wasn't on the other side of the world

Its called an "enabling excuse." Get with the program.

But I like Jancoran's idea of targeting the BAO for a showing. I've played several Frontline events now and all have been worth the time, money, and travel. Who all would be tentatively interested?

Sadly It's completely out of the realm of possibility for me to make any major event as much fun as the idea sounds.

The pessimistic side of me says that despite any tourney showing GW will do whatever the heck GW wants to do, that seems to be their business model after all.
The optimistic side of me however wishes any of you gathering together for a tourney the best of luck and wishes you the top 15 positions to prove that sister players are present and worth catering to.

Either way I'm equally torn on the recent news of the oop immo kit as being a sign of exciting news to come as much as it's a bad omen for the future of our beloved sisters. GW has been such a tease with this army to date that I no longer know what to think.

The tournament group sounds cool, the only thing really stopping me is 1. the cross country trip, 2. I'm not THAT good, and 3. the fact that at least one of you is scratching your head over who I am. Best of luck for what ever group you get together though!

On a related note though, I'm looking at the new Valkyrie/vendetta formation for my sisters. In part because I don't have drop pods, but still want to try my sisters air mobile. (I already have three Valkyries and two vendettas.)

This isn't pointed out, but roughly:

Two retributer squads in Valkyries,
Dominions in repressors,
5 girl squads in repressors and vendettas
command squad 2/multimelta (or regular melta) in a vendetta
leaving one free Valkyrie.

Does this seem doable? It's more expensive points wise than drop pods, and can't come on first turn, but the flyers add their own fire-power and provide some AA fire. Plus the formation helps mitigate a bad scatter. (If I'm remembering correctly.)

I'll see you in the finals at LVO, Panzerleader.

Mmmpi wrote:The tournament group sounds cool, the only thing really stopping me is 1. the cross country trip, 2. I'm not THAT good, and 3. the fact that at least one of you is scratching your head over who I am. Best of luck for what ever group you get together though!

On a related note though, I'm looking at the new Valkyrie/vendetta formation for my sisters. In part because I don't have drop pods, but still want to try my sisters air mobile. (I already have three Valkyries and two vendettas.)

This isn't pointed out, but roughly:

Two retributer squads in Valkyries,
Dominions in repressors,
5 girl squads in repressors and vendettas
command squad 2/multimelta (or regular melta) in a vendetta
leaving one free Valkyrie.

Does this seem doable? It's more expensive points wise than drop pods, and can't come on first turn, but the flyers add their own fire-power and provide some AA fire. Plus the formation helps mitigate a bad scatter. (If I'm remembering correctly.)

Don't let relative skill levels bother you. The seeding always works that you play at least 66% of your games against players of roughly equal skill. If we go in an organized group, there will be t-shirts and good "team building" events (alcohol imbibing optional but recommended). You make the weekend an event worth the trip.

I like the flyer idea. Make sure you get some kind of reserve manipulation in there as well as something durable to survive a turn of shooting.

deviantduck wrote:I'll see you in the finals at LVO, Panzerleader.

I hope so buddy. That'd be epic.

Less and less Sisters are staying in stock, I'm not a fan.


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Sorry, on an unrelated note:

Here is my 7th edition codex for Adepta Sororitas/Sisters of battle.
It has the return of the Redemptionists as well as Martyrs as well as 2 new Special characters (Though they have been referenced in the fluff before)
It contains a Decurion/Gladius strike force type formation to keep the Sisters up to date.

It is an update to one I posted here a few months ago and incorporates a lot of the feed back from that endeavor.

It also includes a completely reworked Faith system.

Please let me know what you think.

http://anjetto.deviantart.com/art/Adepta-Sororitas-7th-edition-temp-578433413?ga_submit_new=10%253A1450318379

So... maybe we can get a group to NOVA 2016? I missed the last two being in the wrong country, but I brought the angry nuns to ATC this year and I'm all about t shirts.

If all goes well i'll be doing LVO, Adepticon, BAO, and NOVA next year. As well as any small ITC tourney within 10 hours of St Louis.

 deviantduck wrote:
If all goes well i'll be doing LVO, Adepticon, BAO, and NOVA next year. As well as any small ITC tourney within 10 hours of St Louis.

A lot would have to go well for me, as Im on the west coast, to make that tour. But I suppose if I started saving now I might be able to.

Good luck, guys.

Obviously as a poor person in the UK, I can't make it. ^^;

So we're looking at myself, Jancoran, and Deviant as a starting core? Maybe talljosh depending on venue. I might have to start an FB group to organize this then.

PanzerLeader wrote:
So we're looking at myself, Jancoran, and Deviant as a starting core? Maybe talljosh depending on venue. I might have to start an FB group to organize this then.

Do it.

I'm super down for NOVA, LVO/BAO/west coast would be a bit of a stretch, I grew up in CA but I'm gone 6+ months every year for work so traveling across the country might not go over too well with my wife.

Once youre out of the house, it hardly matters where you are. =)

Haha, fact... she's smarter than me, so I'm sure she could track my iPhone and figure out that I was out west.