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That is a good Idea, it comes down to...

A) Do you want a more versatile/survival unit
B) Dedicated Stronger unit for Shooting

I personal dont like Survival on T3 units, tried it many many times, and it never works, it feels like a waste of points to me.

I also personally like having units dedicated to 1 thing, and then having copies of that unit.

Well the real thing here is that i am getting a unit that is factually more survivable by quite a bit, but one less Heavy Flamer and no possibility of Rending.

So the given in this scenario is that I would take Retributors if i DONT do the Sororitas grouping. And they will oprate the same way pretty much, sitting in a rhino, playing linebacker and waiting for their chance.

the difference is, i will be buffing the Sisters Repentia and the Battle Conclave like crazy and every other unit that gets caught in a fight.

So if you look, I currenly get 4 attacks on the charge with the Sisters Repentia. Last game they charged an Imperial Knight as I mentioned. I understood that I would lose a lot fo the unit doing it, but...the Imperial Knight was all he had anchoring his right flank and with its death, the objectives there were laid bare for my mobility so it had to be done.

With the Banner, that's 5 attacks on the charge, and THREE afterwards. This is a scary number.

The same goes for the Battle Conclave. they murderized a Grey Hunter group before the Imperial Knight sent them running. Against the scariness that are Wolfstars now, 5 attacks on the charge sounds pretty awesome for them too, and 4 on rounds they aren't charging.

So the banner could make a real difference in the battle, be harder to kill, plays the same, and all at the expense of one Heavy Flamer that potentially rends when its not mounted.

hmm....

I mean right? Isn't it kind of tempting?

 Jancoran wrote:
Well the real thing here is that i am getting a unit that is factually more survivable by quite a bit, but one less Heavy Flamer and no possibility of Rending.

So the given in this scenario is that I would take Retributors if i DONT do the Sororitas grouping. And they will oprate the same way pretty much, sitting in a rhino, playing linebacker and waiting for their chance.

the difference is, i will be buffing the Sisters Repentia and the Battle Conclave like crazy and every other unit that gets caught in a fight.

So if you look, I currenly get 4 attacks on the charge with the Sisters Repentia. Last game they charged an Imperial Knight as I mentioned. I understood that I would lose a lot fo the unit doing it, but...the Imperial Knight was all he had anchoring his right flank and with its death, the objectives there were laid bare for my mobility so it had to be done.

With the Banner, that's 5 attacks on the charge, and THREE afterwards. This is a scary number.

The same goes for the Battle Conclave. they murderized a Grey Hunter group before the Imperial Knight sent them running. Against the scariness that are Wolfstars now, 5 attacks on the charge sounds pretty awesome for them too, and 4 on rounds they aren't charging.

So the banner could make a real difference in the battle, be harder to kill, plays the same, and all at the expense of one Heavy Flamer that potentially rends when its not mounted.

hmm....

I mean right? Isn't it kind of tempting?

It all sounds great on paper, give it a few games and let us know!

I cant really say if its good or not, B.c I play a all Drop Pod SoB army so I wouldnt ever do it, let us know how it goes with that unit.

@Jancoran: I think you're on to something. With the way you've got the army setup, the command squad is much more utilitarian than retributor heavy flamers. I don't think the FNP is necessary personally. Too much S6+ out there.

PanzerLeader wrote:
@Jancoran: I think you're on to something. With the way you've got the army setup, the command squad is much more utilitarian than retributor heavy flamers. I don't think the FNP is necessary personally. Too much S6+ out there.

Sure I see that. What happens typically is I angle my rhinos heavily, to keep the contents spilled out on a "safe" side" so the STR 6 fussilades are coming but none of them expose me to open air trypically. The Rhino hulk is usually still there afterwards and now no one can see me!

i also use my rhinos as a reticle. Incredibly useful that way. Moving flat out after i fire protects me with more hulks. So the FnP will help some. I know its not a perfect solution which is why the Canooness takes the Eternal Warrior thingee and can then pass wounds on to the 3+ dialogus with Feel No Pain when needed./prudent. The Canoness is a 3+, with 4+ invul and then FnP to add to that and Eternal Warrior. Pretty good layering of defenses.

I like to split her off and give her to the Sisters Repentia eventually to maximize them. Re-rolling to hit and to wound and your saves? Hooray! Uriah makes the Sisters Repentia 5+ invuls, the Priest makes them re-rollabkle while the Hatred thing goes off and its just one unholy ball of wax that explodes on the unsuspecting.

I like the idea... I really think i will try it and yes, report back to you all on it. It is intriguing. The morale bonuses are not to be overlooked either as they can matter too. My last game saw my Retributors get pinned and a dominion squad get forced to Snap Fire, plus my Battle Conclave ran away on me. sheesh. Bunch o cowards! Where's the unshakable damn faith gone?

The whole tactic is sound and the setup seems solid, I just personally can't stand letting the girls get into meaningful CQC, celestine being the notable exception. I hate close combat in 40k. It's so fiddly compared to shooting and the whole time it just looks like nothing is happening and sisters aren't very good at it and just bleh. I like shotgun style lists meant to wreck everything with 30" of my dominions at the start of the game.

Well 3+ armor matters in close combat and the Sisters of Battle aren't terrible, just "okay". However they synergize wel wit hthe banner and Uriah. A blob of Sisters is a thing for sure when you have that going for them.

As we have the Battle Conclave and the Sisters Repentia, it hardly seems necessary to count on a blob, but the blob does something neither does: Obsec and live a very long time. 20 Sisters isn' going to die easy, even though it will take heavy casualties if someone commits to them.

In my old old OLD lists I had three units of 17 and withthe new rules you could do that again albeit it isn't NECESSARY like it used to be.ERJAK: My list does both.

Total Roster Cost: 1999

: Combined Arms Detachment (Primary Detachment) (71#, 1999 pts)

6 Retributor Squad(Simulacrum Imperialis + Heavy Flamer x4)
1 Veteran Retributor Superior (Melta Bombs + Combi-Flamer x1)
1 Rhino(Dozer Blade)

1 Exorcist

1 Exorcist

4 Battle Sister Squad (Flamer + Flamer)
1 Sister Superior, (Melta Bombs)
1 Rhino (Hunter-killer Missile)

4 Battle Sister Squad (Flamer + Flamer)
1 Sister Superior, (Melta Bombs)
1 Rhino (Hunter-killer Missile)

7 Repentia Squad
1 Rhino (Hunter-killer Missile)

1 Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave
2 Crusader, 8 Death Cult Assassin
1 Rhino (Hunter-killer Missile)

1 Uriah Jacobus

1 Canoness (Combi-Flamer x1+ Melta Bombs+ Rosarius, 1 Mantle of Ophelia)

1 Ministorum Priest (Melta Bombs, 1 Litanies of Faith)

7 Dominion Squad (Simulacrum Imperialis + Meltagun x4)
1 Veteran Dominion Superior (Melta Bombs + Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino (Laud Hailer)

7 Dominion Squad (Simulacrum Imperialis + Meltagun x4)
1 Veteran Dominion Superior (Melta Bombs + Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

7 Dominion Squad (Simulacrum Imperialis + Meltagun x4)
1 Veteran Dominion Superior (Melta Bombs + Combi-Meltagun x1)
1 Rhino

The problem with Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclaves is that Codex: Inquisition does them better imo. Mainly because you can take a cheap Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Rad and Psychotroke Grenades to give a Henchmen Warband a significant boost in close combat. Plus you can also get them a Land Raider if you want.

I mean its neat that Sisters get the same units, but considering how cheap and useful it is to make an Inquisitorial Detachment (the minimum is a single 25pt Inquisitor, or 55pts to kit an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor out with the awesome grenades) it seems a little redundant.

 GoonBandito wrote:
The problem with Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclaves is that Codex: Inquisition does them better imo. Mainly because you can take a cheap Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Rad and Psychotroke Grenades to give a Henchmen Warband a significant boost in close combat. Plus you can also get them a Land Raider if you want.

I mean its neat that Sisters get the same units, but considering how cheap and useful it is to make an Inquisitorial Detachment (the minimum is a single 25pt Inquisitor, or 55pts to kit an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor out with the awesome grenades) it seems a little redundant.

Well to be more accurate, its "neat" that the Inquisition gets the same units as the Sisters.

I am in not so silent protest over turning the Witch Hunters into two codex's (and really three plus Dataslates actually). A 55 point premium for the Inquisitor isn't nothing. So if their unit "does it" slightly better, it is at a cost. So i think that's fine. If you want to pay the cost, you get the benefit. If you don't want to pay the cost or don't have the room in your list as would be the case for me, you don't have to. So either way you cut it, it's a win.

So.. am I a dumb, dirty, filthy, cheater?

I've been fielding Repressors for.. over 2 years maybe? And I have always been shooting the flamer and then shooting the storm bolter as full BS. Then in a game saturday my opponent told me if I fire both, the storm bolter has to fire snap shots since it's not a heavy tank. As far as I can tell he's right and I've been playing it wrong for years and not a single opponent I've ever had has corrected me.

Do you guys always snap shoot your storm bolters if you fire the flamer in the same turn?

yup. Moving 6 inches means firing only one weapon at full BS. They all fire normally if you don't move.

Only if you move. Same as any other vehicle.

I am dumbfounded. 1, I've never actually used a vehicle with more than 1 weapon except the repressor, and how has no one in well over a hundred games ever called me out on it.

 deviantduck wrote:
I am dumbfounded. 1, I've never actually used a vehicle with more than 1 weapon except the repressor, and how has no one in well over a hundred games ever called me out on it.

It happens.

I mean we are human. We make mistakes Even after this many years of playing , and playing comopetitively at that, I still bone things.

In competitive play you are trying to beat the clock also, so as ironic as it seems, you're more likely to make mistakes like that in tournaments than in casual games where you have time and the luxury to BS about rules stuff.

Shake it off. Let he who is blameless cast the first stone. Key is, now that you know, act upon it or it goes from an oops, my bad to something less favorable.

Fought the new Wulfen Formation.

ITC Mision 3, for your reference.

Vanguard Deployment, him on his starting line and me on mine. I was going first and had all my rhinos ready to go. His Wolfstar, Psykers on Bikes to give him 4+ FnP and his Wulfen both in a pod and in his deployment zone also ready to go. The Mission if you're not familiar with it was to take no Mans Land more or less and Objectives for Maelstrom points; with one in the middle and one in each persons zone. Kill Points was the Primary.

1
Well… He seized. This was very bad. His special ability allowed him to launch himself 12" +3", he ran 6" + 3" and then assaulted (you guessed it… +3"). Needless to say, his wolfstar tore three Rhinos to pieces before I blinked. Up 3-0 on Primary and he hd First Strike. His Drop Pod came in and dropped Wulfen behind me next to my Exorcist. Hammer and Anvil prepped and ready. Clearly this was a shock to the system as I had not seen it done before. I was impressed.

His second Thunder Cavalry unit came at my right flank and prepared to crash it next turn.

To retaliate, my Battle Conclave wiped his Wulfen from behind me, yet in their death throes they apparently get to attack ANYWAYS. Killed seven of the 10 Battle Conclave after they died. Wowa. Impressed again.

My Retributors flash cooked the Wolfstar a little bit.

Rhinos, Sisters of Battle, and Dominion Squads let loose a blistering volly of fairly effectual fire into the flanking ThunderCavalry, striking them down to just one Wolf and his Biker Psyker. Couldn't quite finish the job. In a fit of good sense I left some of the Dominion in one of the Rhinos to move towards the center objective and so that may have cost me the kill but in the long term I thought it wiser at the time. We also sent a unit of Wulfen running temproarily.

Meanwhile My Sisters Repentia crashed into the Wolfstar that had shock and Awed us, with the Canoness and Uriah attached. They did impressive damage, though he mitigated a great deal of it with his Storm Shields. Nonetheless it was a telling blow and the Canoness, martyr that she is, absorbed some of the hurt unto herself to keep the Sisters Repentia in decent shape. One funny moment happened when his guys piled in and attacked. Closest target was m\y Priest to his STR 10 attacks and for some reasons this STR 10 thing didn't register in my mind and I casually took the saves on him and made them all before realizing my error. Should have Look Out Sir'd those! Almost got my Warlord killed but fortune smiled on me in that moment. oofta. Close call. We're allowed one stupid moment per game I suppose.

So at the end of Round one, it was on like Donkey Kong and we were very very close.

2
His singular Wolf on my right flank smashed the whole unit of Dominion while his Biker Psyker Buddy decided to leave him to it and join some Wulfen that STREAKED up the board and tried to charge my Sisters of battle Rhino. The Shield of the Eperor protected it from annihilation, just barely.

His other Wulfen and such sat back in his deployment zone to get maelstrom points while his Wolfstar continued its battle with my Sistrs Repentia. The Battle Leader fought bravely on, smashing into my Canoness (but she survived!) and her retinue. There wasn't much else TO DO.

My Retributor Squad and the Priest in the Battle Conclave unit threw grenades at the Drop Pod and then the Exorcist blew it sky high since the Exorcist really lacked a better target.

I massed the Rhinos midfield and fired a Hunter Killer into the lone Thunder Cavalry to avenge my Dominon and then other Dominion finished what it started. The right flank was clear by the end of Turn two.

The Sisters Repentia finished killing the Battle Leader and his Wolfstar. It was no more. they did take heavy casualties though and lost their Mistress of Pain. They consolidated 6" towards the center. While the Battle Conclave moved to Objective 3 in my zone to claim those points.

The rest of the army that was free to act had moved to the center and fired into the Wulfen who were coming to bang away at the Rhino hull of my Sisters of Battle.

3
The wulfen finished smashing the Sisters of Battle out of their Rhino but there wasn't much else to do as the last unit of Wulfen ot his rear emerged from their cover in the hope of killing them .

So on my turn most of my Rhinos came up and moved flat out to take the center. My Canoness and the Sisters Repentia shot the gap between the wrecked Sisters of Battle Rhino and a big rock formation and began to pound on the Wulfen but they were super tough with Feel No Pain. Most of the turn was movement including moving my Exorcist flat out because it had no targets, sure of the Battle Conclave remnants ability to hold objective 3.

4
The Wulfen fought on and chipped away, killing the Canoness in close combat and because Uriah had detached and joined the Sisters of Battle (before unceremoniously being dumped out of it again thanks to the Wulfen bangin at their hull) there were no re-rolls or anything to save them. so at this point there was one Sister Repentia alive in the unit. this protected the Wulfen from me shooting them but I did manage to move all my stuff up and prepare.
On his turn he tore up the Sister Repentia. that was pretty much his turn

On my turn I disintegrated his Wulfen.

5
Concession. there was no point in continuing. I suppose I could have tried to table him but really no point. I had Maelstrom, Primary and all three Secondaries at this stage and really could not lose so we called it.

Fought the Dark Angels battle Company. Ironically the same mission. Also ironically the beginnging of the game was quite similar.

I scouted my Dominon to my right flank and readied to square off against two of his Dreadnoughts there.

1
He Dropped two pods behind my line of Rhinos, and attempted to assassinate the Exorcist. This didn't surprise me or catch me off guard, and he managed to Stun it. The Shield of Faith bounced his second shot. His army had three rhinos packed with Lascannons, and he fired them downtown, damaging a Rhino but not killing it. The rest of his gunline of free tanks and his Dreadnoughts fired at me as well but overall not too much damage done. Night Fighting and cover went a long way in round 1.

My response was to kill the two Dreadnoughts on the right flank with my Dominion using Tanks to cover me, as well as killing one of the two Drop pods and both Marine units that alighted into my backfield with the Sisters Repentia and Battle Conclave. The resulting explosion and FULL BS Overwatch killed most of my Battle Conclave, ironically much as the dying Wulfen had done last game. The parallells were hard not to draw.

I ended the round with 4 Kill Points and First Strike.

2
I had used terrain and his own tank hulls as cover to the extent possible. He laid into my forces with Grav Weapons, Lascannons, Heavy Bolters and Assault Cannons. As much of my Rhinos had moved up to the center and behind an LOS blocking hill, he crested it with a couple of his tanks including his command tank while the rest concentrated on the Dominion threat. Here again cover helped, but could not save everyone. One of my tanks blew up on the left flank thanks to a lucky Heavy Bolter shot and on the right I lost another Rhino which the Dominion were hiding behind.

I responded by blowing up two more of his rhinos, the two small units inside and the last Drop Pod in my deployment zone. I now had 9 kill points. The Dominion had advanced on the right flank and attempted to kill the remaining two Dreadnoughts but failed. This left one of the Dominion a little exposed.

I was at 9 KP to his 3, and Maelstroms began to score.

3
Because of the increasing wreckage, the hill in the center and my blockade, he had little to do other than shift here and there and move the Dreadnought forward which had been held back from charging in turn 2 by its stunned brethren. The terrain slowed their advance and they failed their charge but lost one dreadnought in the process of trying to Overwatch. Rolled a fricking 3 trying to get through terrain. i felt for him. His command Group and other shots started to take a toll, smashing the Retributors out of their Rhino. One sisters of Battle Rhino became Immobilized with its weapon gone while the other lost its Storm Bolter as well. The Snipers in his backfield managed to kill my Canoness! Whuuuuuut.

His unit had gotten out as well and fired on the exposed retributors and sent them fleeing.

Unfortunately the Exposed Dominion had survived and his Dreadnoughts quickly became slag heaps. Following them was the Command Rhino as well as well as the Commander and his retinue. The melta deluge destroyed them while the Hunter Killers and Krak Grenades did the rest.

4
At 14-5 on Kill points, and me pulling ahead in Maelstroms, he conceded at the bottom of 4. While he had 10 units left on the board (damn Battle Company) it was clear that he could no longer push to get to the Maelstroms with much success, and to do so would cost him his shooting which he could ill afford at this point. Given another round he would likely have finished 3 Rhinos but the retaliation would have been too much to handle given that most of my heavy hitters were obscured behind the things he had to kill and reaching forward was just going to get his hand burned.

The Battle Company went down in defeat. i scored all secondaries, Primary and Maelstrom.

These write-ups are great, and it sounds like you're crushing it at the tournament... way to represent!

MacPhail wrote:
These write-ups are great, and it sounds like you're crushing it at the tournament... way to represent!

I have been on somewhat of a tear recently. The Adepta Sororitas has been a winning army for me for a pretty long time, but I am now getting really comfortable with this new form of them. It's providing me an X Factor that I needed to explore more, but had kind of been avoiding as much because of cost as anything. Now that I finally spent the money to kind of update it to face the new breed of 7E opponents, it's been doing well.

I agree these writes are fantastic!

Never stop purging

Hey, does anyone have any thoughts about what those new Psychic powers for marines could do for sisters?

You could do some fun stuff in allied armies, like podding in Dominions and then swapping assault centurions or hammernators forward to replace them. Cataphractii armor gives slow and purposeful so Retributors with a terminator captain for pseudo-relentless has some uses.

I haven't seen any death star-esque builds with Sisters that really benefit here. The reroll saves makes a blob tougher.

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Hey, does anyone have any thoughts about what those new Psychic powers for marines could do for sisters?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 pretre wrote:

 Celtic Strike wrote:
Hey, does anyone have any thoughts about what those new Psychic powers for marines could do for sisters?

*Snip*
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Exalted so damn hard!

On Saturday I stuck a Rune priest in a repressor with dominions for giggles. He had Technomancy and let it ignore shaken, stunned, gave it power of the machine spirit, healed missing hull points and gave it 'it will not die'. It was fun for a few turns. You could also hide dominions in a small piece of terrain then move the terrain via the Geokinesis discipline within melta range of something that needs killing. Veil of time also makes a wolfstar unkillable... which is nice.

PLayed a friendly tournament(part of a longer series of tournaments) this weekend, sisters with space marine allies. Brought Celestine 2 HF/F squads in Immos, 2 Domi squads in immos, 1 domi in a repressor 2 exorcists, a biker libby and a biker troop squad, ITC rules.

Game 1 was against the newest player in our gaming group, he had 4 tac squads on foot 1 unit of sternguard on foot, a forgeworld whirling for some reason and a big termie blob. It wasn't a good game for him. 11-0 for me.

Game 2 I play against(Keep in mind this is a friendly) an Eldar player, in Hammer and Anvil, with a 2 biker farseers a max unit of Hornets, 2 units of scat bikes, a unit of war walkers, 2 20 man guardian blobs, eldar artillery batteries(not sure about names), 9 man unit of warp spiders and the Hemlock fighter. I outflanked all 3 squads of dominions and put everthing else in the hardest cover I could find, out of range of as much as I could. He moved forward, blew up both immos and killed one sister squad, warp spiders moved 25 ish inches total towards my 'line' My turn, did 1 HP to a hornet between 2 exorcists. His turn, we're at a point where if he kills my furthest exorcist, the rest of his fire power will table me before my turn. he takes 1 hp off of it, kills everything else, celestine fails her get back up. I get 2 domi squads in, kill 1 war walker and 4 guardians then concede. 0-11

Game 3 was a space marine almost mirror match. He has podding grav cents and a storm talon along with 3 units of tacs in rhinos/razorbacks and 1 unit of sternguard with combi meltas in a rhino. This being killpoints I was happy for an, on paper, even match. He wins the roll off for deployment and opts to go second. Which is a bad idea but I can't tell him that, this is a tournament and I did make it very clear I have scout on the domis. My first turn I scout forwards 12 and am within 18 of 2 rhinos, which means he's about to lose 2 rhinos. Go to move the repressor, double ones on dangerous terrain, immobilized 13 inches away from the target :(. The other 2 immos move forward, one squad disembarks the immo pops the rhino the squad kills 2 tacs, the other immo pops the sternguards rhino, exorcist kills the razorback. Celestine and the bikes roll up invisible and move into position but aren't really in range of anything. His turn he drops his centurions and wipes the dominions on foot out moves the sternguard into melta range and whiffs doing 2 total pens, shield saves 1 and it gets shaken, squad inside are fine. He only manages one kill point. My turn I realize I forgot to deploy an immo so I roll for its reserves it comes in and nukes a flanking rhino, bikes nuke the centurions, sternguard get mopped up, it's now basically over. His big chance is the stormtalon, it comes in, whiffs on dominions that went to ground in a crater and I shoot at it with 1 shaken immo that rolls a 3 and then twin-links to a six, then a 6 to pen, then a 6 to explode it crashes and takes 1 domi with it. It was just a question of tabling at that point, I ended up taking KPs 13-1 getting all 3 secondaries and winning maelstrom by a ton. 11-0 me

I took 3rd overall which gave me enough points to overtake the leader in the series and am now in first place overall, I just have to keep getting decently high placings and I have a good shot at winning the whole thing in december.

Boom! Thats what we like to hear.

Nicely done!

Congrats! Keep it up!

Well done! Especially against drop marines, who have generally given me fits.