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Quad Gun on the bastion becomes an emplaced weapon and can be fired by a unit inside of the building just like the heavy bolters.

Yep

I'm thinking a double command squad army could be good for competitive anti-psyker now.

New FAQ gave immolators a firing point unless A) i read the codex wrong and they always had one or B) I read the FAQ wrong

yeah I never saw a firing point so i was kinda surprised

The firing point on immolator is one of the reasons I am not taking these FAQs too seriously right now.

It feels like the people answering them are not even bothering to read the books before answering them.

Voldrak wrote:
Quad Gun on the bastion becomes an emplaced weapon and can be fired by a unit inside of the building just like the heavy bolters.

What rule says that ? Never saw anything like it, so I probably missed it somewhere.

I guess immos used to have a firing point but in the new book they forgot to copy paste it right and it lost it's top hatch. At least that's what I heard.

Voldrak wrote:
The firing point on immolator is one of the reasons I am not taking these FAQs too seriously right now.

It feels like the people answering them are not even bothering to read the books before answering them.

They used to have one - its the top hatch of a Rhino - but it got lost in WD codex, looks like its back....

Yes I am aware it used to have a firing point. It also used to be able to fire it's heavy flamer after moving 12 inches and had a clear explanation as to why.

Both of these rules however were removed.

Now they are addding one back because someone asked about it?

To me this just sounds like bad reading of the current rules and assuming the model would have one.

Until they actually say those FAQs are official and in their final version, I am not going to be too hopeful. No one has, after all, admited that it was indeed a human error and that they forgot to bring the firepoint over.

At this rate someone should ask about firing after moving 12". If they were willing to give us the firing point back, maybe we can get fast back as well.

Hell, ask how many times Celestine can use her act of faith, too. We might get lucky.

 deviantduck wrote:
Hell, ask how many times Celestine can use her act of faith, too. We might get lucky.

Now you're thinking with faith.

The immolator hatch thing is something that should exist. It is clearly on the fig, so it really aught to be in the rules. That is one of those things that always kinda bothered me about the immolator figs

Or maybe they're making the FAQ forward compatible with soon to be releases. New Sisters codex and 7.5.5 ed or 8th ed rules confirmed!

Half life 3 confirmed as well!

Not many people will be in my boat but if the fire point on the immo comes through it's going to be a real annoyance for me. I used the spare turret that comes on the sprue when you buy an Exo on top of a rhino in a kind of pseudo razorback configuration as my Immos. I'll wait and see what happens with the FAQ to find out if i'm going to have to 'fix' these, but a few options spring to mind, conversion(still trying to think of a non gak looking way to do it), recasting or 3D printing the top plate.

I've got a game this weekend, and it may end up being one I've been scheming over for a while. My club's Tyranid player wants to match up all his tiny bugs against all my flamers, just to see the carnage. He'll be using the Endless Swarm formation to spam as many gaunts as possible, and we may look at the Sisters' Defend the Shrine mission if it fits. This is really just a fun game to see what kind of body count we can generate. I've managed to scrape together something like the following:

Double CAD (Jacobus/Celestine)- 2000-ish points
4x BSS Rhinos with flamer/flamer
3x Dom Immos w/ 4x melta and either TL heavy flamer or TL multi-melta
2x Seraphim w/ 2x double hand flamers
2x Ret Rhinos with 4x heavy flamer + simulacrum
1x Rets w/ 4x heavy bolters + simulacrum
1x Penitent Engine

I think that's 8 flamers, 12 heavy flamers, and 4 hand flamers for burning swarms, plus melta, multi-melta, and rending heavy bolters to hopefully keep a few big bugs off my back. My plan would be to fire from transports for as long as possible, send melta after synapse, and hopefully be hard to shift off objectives. Not a balanced list, necessarily, but one I hope will be good for a laugh on a single thematic outing.

The penitent Engine is an interesting choice. Love the Retributors of course. They are fantyastic against all kinds of targets. the Seraphim I can only assume are there purely for Celestines benefit. I consider that kind of an expensive unit altogether with little durability and pretty good melee ability if the sergeant has a Power axe but the you dont have a power axe so its all up to Celestine after her bodyguard gets popped. One idea for her is instead of dropping Seraphim from the sky, just flat out and let sisters of battle form a rhino wall for her to join them behind and maybe save a few points on the Seraphim. Its a toss up there so just an idea.

Looks like a fun list though.

I've played a similar sort of game for the campaign at my club(only restriction was is no special characters). i don't have the list anymore so can't give the exact wargear, but off the top of my head at 1500 points i brought:

Double CAD
2x Canoness,
4x BSS, F, HF, 2 rhinos, 2 immolators
1x Seraphim, 2x2 hand flamers
2x Exorcist
1x Ret (squad of 10), 4x HB, simulacrum,
3x Penitent Engines (Individual units, not squaded)

My only problem was he brought 2 flyerant who smashed Rets by T2. although I did force a failed grounding check on one of them who then got ripped apart by a penitent engine.

Here's a few pictures from the game.
http://i.imgur.com/ethU2mm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UMsUPfi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNSoVuJ.jpg

Jancoran-- The Penitent actually belongs to the 'Nid player, and it remains a mystery to all of us. He doesn't play Sisters, so it sits on his display case shelf, and I've never run one. I probably wouldn't run a single one in other than a fluffy just-for-fun game like this; it seems only a handful of people run them at all, and even then only in multiples. But hey, double heavy flamers in a burn-the-bugs list seemed like the best opportunity to try it out, and maybe it will serve as a distraction carnifex of sorts. The Seraphim are mostly for Celestine, but if he really jams up the movement corridors with his gribblies as I know he can, it might be nice to take a risky drop next to something juicy or jump out early to secure a pinch point for my transports. Maybe I should squeeze points for a power axe as you say.

Drider-- Great photos... I'll be sure and get some to post if this game goes down. I think my opponent will ground his Flyrants in deference to my lack of AA, and to get even more little bugs as he's really committed to see just how many he can respawn. He's one of those players with a way bigger army than he ever gets to field, and he usually makes really balanced, competitive lists, which means lots of stuff just sits on the shelf. Glad to hear your Penitent earned its points... maybe mine will do the same.

 MacPhail wrote:
Jancoran-- The Penitent actually belongs to the 'Nid player, and it remains a mystery to all of us. He doesn't play Sisters, so it sits on his display case shelf, and I've never run one. I probably wouldn't run a single one in other than a fluffy just-for-fun game like this; it seems only a handful of people run them at all, and even then only in multiples. But hey, double heavy flamers in a burn-the-bugs list seemed like the best opportunity to try it out, and maybe it will serve as a distraction carnifex of sorts. The Seraphim are mostly for Celestine, but if he really jams up the movement corridors with his gribblies as I know he can, it might be nice to take a risky drop next to something juicy or jump out early to secure a pinch point for my transports. Maybe I should squeeze points for a power axe as you say.

Drider-- Great photos... I'll be sure and get some to post if this game goes down. I think my opponent will ground his Flyrants in deference to my lack of AA, and to get even more little bugs as he's really committed to see just how many he can respawn. He's one of those players with a way bigger army than he ever gets to field, and he usually makes really balanced, competitive lists, which means lots of stuff just sits on the shelf. Glad to hear your Penitent earned its points... maybe mine will do the same.

I ran one in two tournaments back to back and won both tournaments. It wasn't BECAUSE of the Penitent engine, but it did its job well enough. I reserved it in every game and used it to whallop and clean up things. As enemy anti-tank ability was lesser or removed ahead of that time to an acceptable extent it did SOME work for me.

On the whole, definitely suffers so much because of iNIT but it actually is a good unit against some of the meta.

Penitent Engines are really good at what they do. The problem is the seldom get to do it as they lack mobility and are really hurt by Open topped.. I think more people would run them if they were Elites rather than Heavy Support and if they had a better profile, I'm in the camp who thinks they should be MCs.

Had a good game with Penitent engnes defending a Shrine at the weekend

So spinning off from thread about wargames models - these were found by dakka's Frozen Ocean!

http://vk.com/grishnakmodels





Now just need to work out how to get these models!

 Mr Morden wrote:
Had a good game with Penitent engnes defending a Shrine at the weekend

So spinning off from thread about wargames models - these were found by dakka's Frozen Ocean!

http://vk.com/grishnakmodels
Now just need to work out how to get these models!

Yeah, their website doesn't appear to work.


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Pervyy otryad v serii War Maidens, kotoraya razrabatyvalas' kak al'ternativnyy variant armii Sisters of Battle. Otryad sostoit iz pyati sbornykh modeley na 25 mm podstavkakh. V dopolneniye k modelyam idut tri golovy bez shlemov, dva spetsial'nykh oruzhiya, shlem i kombi-oruzhiye serzhantu.
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If that's rubles, that's about 20 dollars.

thanks

So do we think this is Russian and in Rubles?

So with the new faqs about using last published thing for old/outdated models does this mean we can use droppods and the sob dreadnought?

It's not a dreadnought.

 pretre wrote:
It's not a dreadnought.

What do you mean?

There was a sob dreadnought long ago.

It's a penitent Engine. Different. =)

For once, Jancoran and I are in complete agreement.

I'm not talking about the penitent engine. There was a old named sob dreadnought.