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Voldrak wrote:
Faced a white scar army this weekend with my 30k emperor's children. Got stomped, but was not looking at winning.

I want to re-face that army however using my sisters, but I am unsure as to how I would go about it.

The HQ was Khan + Chaplain + Veterans on bikes with Apothecary and stormshields + grav guns.

rest of the army was a slew of tactical squads with a single grav cannon in rhinos.

He won first turn so scouted everything to the middle of the table. With the tactical doctrines and grav amps, I was losing 1-3 units per turn.

I am unsure how a sister's army would be able to deal with this.

Do grav weapons affect void shields? The way I see it is they never cause a pen or glance, they simply immobility on a 6 VS army and you cannot immobilize a void shield. If that works, then I could see using a few exorcists protected by one to un-mech him.

If he's running a Gladius, which it sounds like he is, You basically can't win with mech sisters. THey do the same thing you do only they have 2X as many models and grav guns. Your best bet is to get first turn or sieze and blow up as 6-10 rhinos, lose all of your immolators leaving your girls in position to return fire and pray to god he doesn't have drop pods. Also, ignore the bike squad, with sisters relying on high strength low AP low volume shots a bike semi-star like that is more shots thaan it's worth. At most it'll get 1 unit a turn if you play smart. If he's not running a gladius (Only using a single demi company) then same tactics but you have a much better shot.

 deviantduck wrote:
Repressors really, really love grav spam. It's their favorite thing. They basically have big signs that say "Me Me! pick me!" They'll shrug off 15 lascannons and then 2 grav shots will double immobilize them for the fail.

Well... bring a giant grav decoy =) I recently brought my sister to the local monthly event with the following list:

Celestine
5x BSS with 2 flamers in dozer rhino
5x BSS with 2 meltas in dozer rhino
5x Dominions with 4x meltas in repressor
5x Dominions with 4x meltas in repressor
5x Dominions with 4x meltas in repressor
Exorcist

IK Gatling + D-slapper + Ironstorm missiles
IK Gatling + D-slapper + Ironstorm missiles

I was not inspired by any of my usual lists, so I decided to test the alliance with knights. Suddenly, all the gravs were ignoring my Repressors in favor of the two knights, leaving my Doms free to roam and kill =)
Anyway that list went 2-1, so not too bad, losing only in the final round top table to an Eldar/Corsair/DE list that happened to be designed to kill 2 knights a turn (2 units of wraithguards deep striking with no scatter and each shooting D). That was not a fun pairing :-/





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Oberron wrote:
*warning bells start ringing*

Hmmm those things haven't gone off in....ever.

SOB coming within the next "few months" Fingers crossed!

Or they trolled us pretty hard. PErsonnaly, I prefer to stay in the "there is no hope" state of mind, and maybe have a good surprise down the line.


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ERJAK wrote:
If he's running a Gladius, which it sounds like he is, You basically can't win with mech sisters. THey do the same thing you do only they have 2X as many models and grav guns. Your best bet is to get first turn or sieze and blow up as 6-10 rhinos, lose all of your immolators leaving your girls in position to return fire and pray to god he doesn't have drop pods. Also, ignore the bike squad, with sisters relying on high strength low AP low volume shots a bike semi-star like that is more shots thaan it's worth. At most it'll get 1 unit a turn if you play smart. If he's not running a gladius (Only using a single demi company) then same tactics but you have a much better shot.

Nah you definitively have a shot at winning with mech sisters vs a full gladius. If there is a thing sisters are pretty good at, it's vaporizing light vehicles and killing small squads of elite soldiers.
Personnally, it's one of the army I love to face when playing sisters because my whole army is effective against my opponent. Just avoid spreading too much and shoot units until they're dead. Avoid leaving single marines moving freely because those bastards are still ObSec and will ruin your day in the end.

Grav weapons don't affect void shields until the FAQ goes live across the community. Post FAQ, they do. Like you said, currently Grav doesn't glance or pen, and immobilize has no effect on the shield.

ok so following the feedback given, here's my attempt at a list that will give this white scar list a run for it's money.


Celestine
3 x BSS (5) - Rhino, Flamer, heavy Flamer (objective taker / holder)
2 x Doms (5) - Repressor, 4 x meltaguns
1 x Seraph (7) - 2 x hand flamers
3x Exorcists

Inquisitor Coteaz
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor - Servo Skulls x 3, Psyker upgrade
1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband
2 Jokaero Weaponsmith
3 Servitor with heavy bolters

Void Shield generator with 3 shields.

Core of the army stays within the void shields. Possible use of reserves on the repressor to hit the flanks or grab objectives after the opponent has been de-mech'ed with the BSS.

Servo skulls slow down the scouting and Coteaz in his squad is a deterrent to deep striking within the void shield.

I still have 150ish points to play with after this.


Any suggestions on what could be taken? I could add one more BSS squad for more ob sec or a culexus assassin to deal with the possible psyker showing up. They seem immune to grav given that they have no armor saves so that would play with my oponents mind and not make his choices when shooting so obvious.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
Do White Scars get tactical doctrines?

I though only Ultra Marines get those?

Gladius Strike Force. You get two Tactical Doctrines (one from the Battle Demi-Company and one of each doctrine from the GSF). If it was Ultramarines you'd get 3 Tactical Doctrines (and 2 of the other two).

Ah I see. Thanks for the info

Voldrak wrote:

Inquisitor Coteaz
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor - Servo Skulls x 3, Psyker upgrade
1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband
2 Jokaero Weaponsmith
3 Servitor with heavy bolters

You should give the servitors either a multi-melta or a plasma canon instead of those heavy bolter. The first is free but has lower range, the other cost a bit but is worth it.
Also I usually field this kind of unit with 3 plasmagun acolytes. It makes Coteaz I've been expecting you rule a lot more impactful (almost nobody like being shot by plasma) and if you get the +12" range upgrade from the jokaero, suddenly those plasmagun are rapide fire 36", not bad.

Finally, a few ablative wounds (in the form of naked acolytes or crusaders) can never hurt if you have some points to spare.

Voldrak wrote:
ok so following the feedback given, here's my attempt at a list that will give this white scar list a run for it's money.


Celestine
3 x BSS (5) - Rhino, Flamer, heavy Flamer (objective taker / holder)
2 x Doms (5) - Repressor, 4 x meltaguns
1 x Seraph (7) - 2 x hand flamers
3x Exorcists

Inquisitor Coteaz
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor - Servo Skulls x 3, Psyker upgrade
1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband
2 Jokaero Weaponsmith
3 Servitor with heavy bolters

Void Shield generator with 3 shields.

Core of the army stays within the void shields. Possible use of reserves on the repressor to hit the flanks or grab objectives after the opponent has been de-mech'ed with the BSS.

Servo skulls slow down the scouting and Coteaz in his squad is a deterrent to deep striking within the void shield.

I still have 150ish points to play with after this.


Any suggestions on what could be taken? I could add one more BSS squad for more ob sec or a culexus assassin to deal with the possible psyker showing up. They seem immune to grav given that they have no armor saves so that would play with my oponents mind and not make his choices when shooting so obvious.

I'd ditch the void shields, Coteaz, and the Inquisition fluff. Just the minimum single HQ plus three skulls.

I'd then replace them with some additional shooting. For the saved points I think your close to a Marine allied detachment with a cheap HQ, scouts and a TFC battery. You could also just buy an allied Raptorwing.

Gladius has so many units you want to maximize your own damage potential and not sink points into defensive buffs that are situational and can be avoided.

Here is a question for you all. What is the most useful psychic discipline for Sisters? I'm working on a "do something in every phase" list with an inquisitor and payer henchmen.

As a sisters player I can honestly say that "Purge it with fire" is the best way to discipline a psychic.

On a serious note telepathy is a very popular discipline (fishing for invisibility mostly). I've had good fun with lots of the biomancy powers, they're not really Op but are effective and fun for the most part.

So the codex is no longer on the GW site as well as several models just removed as well

Oberron wrote:
So the codex is no longer on the GW site as well as several models just removed as well

Similar things have happened before but with everything that's been going on could this be the Light of the Emperor finally reaching us? My heart yearns for plastic sisters but my wallet and unpainted model shelf shames me.

I eagerly await the light.

Divination for Prescience.

You can't go wrong with twin linking an exorcist.

It sucks when you only get 1 missile to go off, but it's doubly more important to get a hit when you only get 1 shot.

I'm imagining Coteaz, a psycher, a pair of Weaponsmiths and 2-3 acolytes with heavy weapons behind a defense wall with a pair of Exorcists. Heck of a fire base for, what? 550 points?

Coteaz is going to be very important with Genestealer Cults making their way to town. He's going to be a big bubble of "No Entry" when he is on the board.

It's unknown how Coteaz will function with GSC right now.

So with rules for sisters of silence and custodians being released how can the current SOB use these guys? The custodians have deepstrike so seem perfect for St, celestine to join, she would be protected by majority t5, 2+ (3++ if SS are taken) and if one of them has the banner gets a +1 attack.


Sisters of silence on the other hand look fantastic to spread around the field as a huge anti-psychic barrier for everyone. on the flip side give them all greatblades and they turn into a more durable repentia squad that could survive long enough to get into combat

SOS are so superior to repentia and celestians it isn't funny.

Even without facing any dirty witches they are only 3pts more for +1 WS +2 I +2 LD and fearless compared to a BSS. The swords are awesome and a 10 girl flamer squad is hilarious. It also looks like you can mix weapons. So the majority could have swords with a few flamers thrown in for horde control plus over-watch deterrence.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf link for rules for sos and custodes if anyone needs

and in addition to what Flutterpie said the sos even have an armor save worth mentioning

Oberron wrote:
So the codex is no longer on the GW site as well as several models just removed as well

If you do a Search for 'Codex' it shows up.

Every time they think of making new Sisters of Battle I bet Matt Ward dresses up like the Ghost of the Last Ultramarine and scares everyone out of the GW headquarters until they abandon the project again.

But ya, the Sisters of Silence look like good allies for the Sisters of Battle. I am guessing you take a squad as an ally detachment?

They are unbound only right now.

Managed to get a few games in with my sisters over the last week.

Played a dark angels player at 1,500 and 2k.

First game against him I tabled him on the top of three. Had five casualties, three self inflicted.

My list:

Cannoness (Mantle, evicerator, rosarius) (Warlord: reroll DtW)
Celestine
Two priests (1x litanies, 2x power mauls, 2x plasma guns)

Two BSS (5 girls, each with multi-melta, melta, bare bones repressors)
Dominion squad (5 with 4 meltas, and a bare immolator (MM)
Seraphim squad (10 2x Hand flamers) (w/Celestine)
Seraphim squad (5 2x inferno pistols, VSS plasma pistol)
Retributers (7 Similacrum, 4 hvy flamers, VSS combi flamer/power axe) (W/cannoness and both priests in a repressor)

Xenos inquisitor (power armor, force sword, rad grenades, psycher)
Retinue (4 death cult assassins, 4 crusaders, 1 priest (w/ Power Maul)
Land Raider (multi-melta)

He had:
Chaplin (warlord, monster hunter weapon, terminator armor)
two terminator squads (powerfists and an assault cannon each)
Ravenwing squad (attack bike w/multi-melta, two plasma guns)
two tac squads
dev squad with mixed heavy weapons
Las/Missiles dread
Assault squad (never came in from reserves)
Whirlwind

I basically rushed him with heavy APC's, unloaded and wiped him out.

This was longer than expected, I'll post the other two games on request.

Won a 3 round RTT at the local game store with Sisters last weekend(HEAVILY comped, single CAD with some banned units and have to put more points in troops than any other slot). Ran 4 BSS in MM immos with 2 HF/F 1M/M 1F/F; 2 Domi 5 melta in immos; 1 5 girl seraphim with 2 hand flamers; rets with HB, and Celestine.

First game my opponent puts a dreadclaw drop pod with Kharn and 20 berserkers 3 inches away from my dominions. I asked him if it had an invul or something turns out he wasn't listening when I explained what my stuff does, blew it up killed 4 Zerkers. Celestine and friends killed a unit of spawn and Celestine nuked out his Khorne lord on Juggernaut and had Kharn as dessert. One round of exorcist fire blew up his Heldrake and then I mopped up cultists after for 11-0

Second game played against salamanders with Legion of the Damned. Summary? SCREW 4+ FNP AGAINST FLAMERS!!!! 3-8 loss.

game 3 played primarily greenwing DA with 2 units of bikes 1 with a librarian. He Dropped and outflanked(Hammer and Anvil) And I spent 4 turns cleaning it up. Only problem was he was killing my transports, had excellent area denial with his dev squads and the mission was to cap opjectives in the center or on your oponents side. Fortunately I killed all his obsec and enough of his devs(48 inch range Exorcists!) To get Celestine and 1 Turretless immolaotor down field turn 6 and got 11-1.

MVP of the day was easily Celestine. She killed 3 Spawn, A Khorne lord on Juggernaut, Kharn, a unit of cultist, 3 units of Marines and a (reduced strength) unit of Legion of the damned, a librarian and his bike squad, a unit of droppod Tacticals and my opponents last objective camping obsec squad.

YUS! Way to go.

and the rules are the same for everyone so saying it was heavily comp'd isn't necessary. You won. That's it. If other armies can't beat you then that's life.

Has anyone converted any SoS into SoB models yet?

Also, I'm trying to come up with a reason to use SoS + Drop Pod over Culexus. Other than the points difference. Any opinions?

The formation bonus looks nice and they could be used to help the notorious SoB melee short comings.

I think SoS with 5 flamers and a Rhino/Razorback is the way to go. Quickly move around the board, deny psykers and they are more likely to contribute against psyker-less armies.

For min/max MSU it's probably the way to go.

putting aside their anti psyker stuff their closest counterparts are repentia or a unit of deathcult assasins. Vs repentia, they're more durable and better at killing troops and are more durable with a 3+, while repentia are better at killing vehicles. Vs deathcults, they're better at killing anything with a 2+ but are potentially not as durable as DCA with a few crusaders to meet shield with 3++. DCA are just better at killing things with a 3+
all these VS MCs are going to be pretty even but repentia are probably going to win out with them having the highest strength when rolling to wound.

I like the idea of a 10 girl unit of SoS with Executioner greatblades and maybe 1 or 2 flamers for overwatch protection. plus a couple of priests for hymns for zealot, reroll wounds, reroll saves.

Personally for SoS I like 2 uniys of 5 all with greatblades tucked behind your gunline. LoS them enough and they'll be hard enough to shoot that most opponents won't bother, especially with them not shooting. Then when summoning, warp spiders, drop pods, anything deathwatch or genestealer cults, turbo-boosting objective theives, even fallen flying hive tyrants aren't totally out of the question, come in they now have to face a crazy number of I5 AP2 attacks or ignore something more expensive. I use a similar tactoc with solo-celestine and it works quite well.

Siosters Repentia are champs for me.