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 Jancoran wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Scout is after seize now. So he could have chosen to scout to block as well.

Not according to the FAQ.

Q: Do Scout redeployments take place before or after the player
going second is given the chance to Seize the Initiative?
A: Before.

I guess this was an ITC thing.

Actually, it was draft faq and then changed when they put out the new one. I just didn't notice the new one had changed.

"INFILTRATE AND SCOUT

Q: Do Scout redeployments take place before or after the player going second is given the chance to Seize the Initiative?
A: Before.

In the draft FAQ, Scout moves occurred after the Seize the Initiative roll. Before the draft FAQ, I didn’t know anyone who played it this way, so this was a big surprise. This provides a massive boost for any units or armies with Scout, allowing them to use the Scout move with little risk of getting seized upon, or using it to move into a more favourable position if your opponent did seize the initiative."

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/23/40k-rulebook-final-faq-an-analysis/

Well I think shooting forward, forming a reticle with the Rhinos and slicing up two pieces of armor would have ended well for you. Again, we cannot anticipate them stealing. but honestly, your back line wasn't really worth defending in that way per se. Had you gone first you would have had similar problems on his turn. The difference is he would have less armor alive to fight you with on his turn, again not knowing that he would seize.

It seems like your concern over his drop pods might have been a bit higher than it needed to be. pretre himself has recently illustrated to me the folloy of getting trapped in my own zone with Drop Pods blocking my way. So i can tell you that i would rather have tghe pods falling around me midfield and then having options forward AND backwards, than having no options on that at all.

I would take the risk next time. i would also throw ablative wounds in there with the Dominion. That way you're not quite as worried about their rhinos. the thing about the Rhinos is, the enemy has to break them first, so you can even scout, fire twice from inside, let them inevitably focus on the rhinos, and have the ablative wounds to protect you further and then you're getting additional rounds of special weapons fire out of the deal and potentially two less targets for the Exorcists to even need to worry about.

It's all just suggestions, but i have kind of always considered Sisters of Battle Rhinos the same as i do Aethersailing Raiders: expendable means to an end.

I think you are right though. I fell into the trap of being too scared of drop pods. I could have been a hell of a lot more aggressive than I was. I ended up trying to play to preserve kill points on the primary and ended up losing both the kill points and the maelstrom because of it. ESPECIALLY considering the fact that i had 8 obsec units ( 4 troops with 4 dedi transports) and he had non, so i should have won the maelstrom hands down. If i'd gone full agro I potentially could have tabled him, which tbh was going to happen if the game had gone to turn 7, but that's never to be relied on.

Aggressive is good. Were deadly at 8-12 inches

 Jancoran wrote:
Aggressive is good. Were deadly at 8-12 inches

Like dwarves... natural sprinters and dangerous over short distances.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Aggressive is good. Were deadly at 8-12 inches

Like dwarves... natural sprinters and dangerous over short distances.

You are correct sir.

Speaking of early aggression, what do you guys think about the Daemon Hunter detachment ? It's the GK detachment in the IA codex, and it allows to take a single squad of interceptors alongside a dreadknight.

A few dominion squads scouting forward followed by two teleporting GK units seems interesting. That's more forward-dakka and the DK that has some good close combat potential.

My usual list those days is a CAD of sisters and 2 gatling knights, I was thinking of dropping one knight to try out those GK allies.

Worth trying of course. My opinion on Knights is that they do more damage once you have a chance to whittle enemy heavy fire power though. Send the pawns in first so to speak.

Just a quick summary of my casual-hardcore-cheese game today.

ITC Mission 1. 1850 knights+GK allies Vs Mono sister melta spam

Knights brought
1 Paladin
1 Errant
1 Gallant
2 Interceptor squads
2 Dreadknights

Sisters brought
2 nude priests
4 BSS, w/ 2 melta, Immo w/ TL-MM
6 Dominions w/ 4melta, Immo w/ TL-MM
2 Exorcists

I got the Master of Ambush trait on the strategic table. infiltrated 3 of my troops to the 18" mark of the enemy and scouted all the dominions forwards.

Knights went first. Closed range, opened a few transports.

I went second, Mass disembarked and popped 2 of the knights. killing a few sisters in the explosions.

T2 Knights strike back and pop half my army with shooting, multi-assault and stomp.

after that it's pretty much just damage control for me.

Top of 5 the Knight warlord with 2 HP left charges my warlord and dies to a melta gun in overwatch.

Rolled to continue, game ends at the bottom of 5.
Total points 7-4 to the Knights.

Remaining units on the Knights side were 1 Dreadknight and 2 interceptor squads.
Remaining for sisters is only my warlord priest and 1 BSS with 1 melta girl and 1 bolter girl.

TLDR. Killed 3 knights. Didn't get tabled. Great success!

So if st celestine does give the AOF special rule to all units that are at 12" of her or even if she just gives it to the unit she is in (since one of the two is going to happen) what are some outside sister units or special characters we can use to power up some of our units? Depending on how it works i can even see MSU mini-"deathstars" of multiple special characters joining our units or have special gust units that have our characters joining.

Oberron wrote:
So if st celestine does give the AOF special rule to all units that are at 12" of her or even if she just gives it to the unit she is in (since one of the two is going to happen) what are some outside sister units or special characters we can use to power up some of our units? Depending on how it works i can even see MSU mini-"deathstars" of multiple special characters joining our units or have special gust units that have our characters joining.

A bit early to speculate since all we have is a rumored spreading of AOF. For all we know, they meant Shield of Faith.

 pretre wrote:

Oberron wrote:
So if st celestine does give the AOF special rule to all units that are at 12" of her or even if she just gives it to the unit she is in (since one of the two is going to happen) what are some outside sister units or special characters we can use to power up some of our units? Depending on how it works i can even see MSU mini-"deathstars" of multiple special characters joining our units or have special gust units that have our characters joining.

A bit early to speculate since all we have is a rumored spreading of AOF. For all we know, they meant Shield of Faith.

On the store page for the whole bundle (Triumvirate + book + cards) it says she confers AOF

Did anyone else notice that according to the Dramatis Personae, both Eleanor and Genevieve are considered to be Canonesses?

I am hoping that this heralds the return of the jump pack as an option for them. It wouldnt fix them, but it would be a step in the right direction and possibly open up some cool formation possibilities.

Rihgu wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Oberron wrote:
So if st celestine does give the AOF special rule to all units that are at 12" of her or even if she just gives it to the unit she is in (since one of the two is going to happen) what are some outside sister units or special characters we can use to power up some of our units? Depending on how it works i can even see MSU mini-"deathstars" of multiple special characters joining our units or have special gust units that have our characters joining.

A bit early to speculate since all we have is a rumored spreading of AOF. For all we know, they meant Shield of Faith.

On the store page for the whole bundle (Triumvirate + book + cards) it says she confers AOF

"- Saint Celestine confers Act of Faith on nearby units"

Again, we just don't know what this means yet. If it gives all Imperial Armies that ability, that'll be cool, but it doesn't tell us if they can activate an act of faith or only use one if they are attached to a unit. Again, a bit early to speculate until we know the text of the rule.

New video from GW.

She selects battlefield roles and can do specific acts of faith for that role.

Including giving LoW IWND for the remainder of the GAME to any armies of the imperium.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
New video from GW.

She selects battlefield roles and can do specific acts of faith for that role.

Including giving LoW IWND for the remainder of the GAME to any armies of the imperium.

St Celestine
The Ardent Blade - Holy Flame when handled. Armourbane special rule
Armour of Saint Katherine
Heroic Zeal - HQ will fight with renewed vigor
Lords of War get 'IWND'
Fanatical Fortitude
Indomitable Faith

Inspire any units of the Army of the Imperium
Rise up again if slain


Summon emperor's will to incinerate a whole swath of the battlefield

Gemini Superior 'integral to the story'
Celestine can revive the Gemini

Rumors put celestine's stats at WTFOMGBBQ WHERE'D ALL MY STUFF GO? WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY RIPTIDE WING DIDN'T ACTUALLY KILL HER?

Also 200pts and eternal warrior, which is neat on a 5 wound model with a resurrect.

At only 200 points and eternal warrior and all of the other stuff we have heard... makes it hard for me to believe that it isn't a bunch of wishlisting at this point.

It's probably better to discuss in the Rumor thread until it is confirmed. The rumors we are discussing are from TG which is pretty unreliable.

I wonder if Celestine would be useful in a Repentia squad? She can tank like a boss hit at Int 7 to clear some the chaff and allow the Repentia to hit and run.

She would but she'd be good in any squad so it's really a matter of finding the best match.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
At only 200 points and eternal warrior and all of the other stuff we have heard... makes it hard for me to believe that it isn't a bunch of wishlisting at this point.

No wish-listing at all my friend. I have the book in hand

Here's what she is now (ie a beast!):

* HQ choice for Faction: Adepta Sororitas, but can be taken as an HQ for any Army of the Imperium Combined Arms or Allied Detachment (specifically only those) regardless of faction.
* 200pts, comes with her 2 Geminae Superia included.
* 5wounds, up from 3 otherwise her statline is the same.. AND SHE HAS ETERNAL WARRIOR!!! (technically she doesn't have the Shield of Faith special rule any more, and neither do the Geminae, but Celestine gets Adamantium Will to make up for it)
* The Ardent Blade now has the Armourbane rule, otherwise the same.
* Celestine gets a once per game Orbital Barrage called The Emperor's Vengeance! Range Unlimited, S8, AP3, Assault 1, Barrage, Large Blast, Orbital.

* Geminae Superia are WS5, BS4, S3, T3, I4, 2W, 2A, 3+ Armour
* Celestine can join units along with her Geminae!!
* Geminae have Divine Guardian rule. This gives them a 4+ Invuln, and whilst any of them are alive all wounds against Celestine are resolved against the closest Geminae instead!
* Healing Tears: At the start of each of your turns, set up a single slain Geminae anywhere within 2" of Celestine! Looks like mum isn't the only one who can come back from the dead!
* Miraculous Intervention is unchanged from the ebook, other than that it specifies she can use Healing Tears to bring a Geminae back to life on the turn she 'resurrects'

* Saintly Blessings: Celestine can give a 12" radius buff to friendly non-vehicle Army of the Imperium units at the start of each of your turns. Each buff can only be used once per game, and affect units based on their Battlefield Role (independent chars get effected as long as they stay in the unit):
**HQ Units: Zealot until the start of the next turn
**Troops: FNP 6+ until the start of next turn. If models already have FNP, they get a +1 bonus to FNP instead...
**Elites: Counter-Attack and Furious Charge until start of next turn
**Fast Attack: Crusader and Fleet until start of next turn
**Heavy Support: Relentless until start of next turn
**Lord of War: It Will Not Die for the rest of the game.

Gonna have to convert some Geminae:

My god... I have 3 weeks until LVO and I have no idea what I'm taking now. I'm guessing allowing STC to be an HQ for CADs and ADs doesn't allow you change formation rules. So, no substituting her for a wolf lord in the CotGW..

 pretre wrote:
Gonna have to convert some Geminae:

If it helps, the new model is stunning. Find someone to flog the filthy mechanicus heretic off to, and pick yourself up a cool new Inquisitor while you're at it :p

Pretre, I'm going to need your brain power over the next couple weeks to make the nastiest 926pt sisters + allies list out there. Then you can live vicariously through me while I fail with it at LVO. I pretty much have any imperial model or army at my disposal.

 deviantduck wrote:
Pretre, I'm going to need your brain power over the next couple weeks to make the nastiest 926pt sisters + allies list out there. Then you can live vicariously through me while I fail with it at LVO. I pretty much have any imperial model or army at my disposal.

My initial thought is to take castellans:

StC
BSS for cheap troops
Maybe a infantry platoon fornbubble wrap against gsc.
Then add exos, Wulfen, TWC and Libby conclave to spice.

I'm going to make some lists tomorrow.


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 GoonBandito wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Gonna have to convert some Geminae:

If it helps, the new model is stunning. Find someone to flog the filthy mechanicus heretic off to, and pick yourself up a cool new Inquisitor while you're at it :p

I want the new models but am saving right now.

I'll probably use my old StC, Ephrael and a Seraph Sup.


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 deviantduck wrote:
My god... I have 3 weeks until LVO and I have no idea what I'm taking now. I'm guessing allowing STC to be an HQ for CADs and ADs doesn't allow you change formation rules. So, no substituting her for a wolf lord in the CotGW..

Only works for CAd and AD from what I've seen so far.

I've got the new models on order, I pretty much get dibs for anything sisters at my local gaming store. All year I've been running Sisters + Wolves, and the last tourney was Sisters/Wolves/Libby Conclave. I like the idea of it, but I failed miserably with dice so I'm not sure how it fairs. I can scale back on the wolves a bit since she has some decent guards now, and they still get to be T5.

Damn. SW can't be part of castellans.


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Castellans basically gives SoB a chance to have their own detachment with all the perks.


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Want redemptionists or flyers for SoB? You got it!

Over on faeit they have spoiler for each of the models. here is celestines if it is true



If that is accurate and not a very elaborate hoax, The st and her two pets are going to be awesome and make seraphim crazy strong pretty much adding in two superiors