New Sisters of Battle Codex Tactica

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**deviantduck**

I got to hold my Celestine's box tonight. It had new model smell and is so shiny and gold. I might be a nerd.

**Mavnas**

Hmm... even if I don't use any BSS, I think I only have enough meltaguns painted for 4 dominion squads :(

**pretre**

Drider wrote:
I suppose it really depends on the interpretation of "resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

Does that mean if St C takes a wound you take the wound off of the geminae?

Yes. Wounds are allocated after hits and wound rolls. After saves, wounds are suffered. So after she fails her save, she would normally suffer the wound, but instead the Geminae does.

Does it mean that if St C takes a s6 wound it bypasses her EW and automatically gibs the geminae, because it's double it's toughness?

My interpretation is yes. Instead of the S6 wound being suffered by Celestine, it is resolved against the Geminae, which gibs them.

Does it mean any wounds are resolved against the geminae's armour/invul save and toughness for the sake of instant death?

Save goes for Celestine, so no. But toughness, yes. The wound gets the Instant Death special rule when it is allocated against Celestine (P36) if it is double Celestine's toughness. Luckily, she ignores it. But because that same wound now goes to the Geminae, it still has the instant death special rule and they don't have EW.

GW will have to FAQ it. Fortunately they were quite quick with the wrath of magnus FAQ, we can only hope that holds true for this as well.

I think this one is somewhat clear. You just have to read up on it and walk through the steps.

As for the LOS and keeping the geminae 6"+ away, range doesn't really matter as Divine Guardians is not look out sir and isn't subject to the same range restrictions as LOS, it's just the closest Geminae who takes it.

It is a however a good reason to keep any 'escort unit' model closer to celestine than the geminae model so that you can LOS onto the escort unit. which is the gist of what pretre was saying.

Yep.

Castellan's of the Imperium:
Celestine with a bike squad for majority toughness 5 and Coteaz for obsec on non-vehicle units. then just grab your 4 troops and spam out dominions.

I was thinking command squad to give her FNP.

**Mavnas**

pretre wrote:
Drider wrote:
I suppose it really depends on the interpretation of "resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

Does that mean if St C takes a wound you take the wound off of the geminae?

Yes. Wounds are allocated after hits and wound rolls. After saves, wounds are suffered. So after she fails her save, she would normally suffer the wound, but instead the Geminae does.

**pretre**

Mavnas wrote:
pretre wrote:
Drider wrote:
I suppose it really depends on the interpretation of "resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

Does that mean if St C takes a wound you take the wound off of the geminae?

Yes. Wounds are allocated after hits and wound rolls. After saves, wounds are suffered. So after she fails her save, she would normally suffer the wound, but instead the Geminae does.

Isn't making the saves part of resolving the wounds? I'm having trouble imagining a situation where a model with a 2+ gets to use its save then pass off the wound after failing it. It's pretty broken, although... I think I've only ever played one game of 40K where Celestine wasn't my warlord so I might be OK if they made it clear if this was the intended mechanic.

**Mavnas**

pretre wrote:
Mavnas wrote:

Keep in mind you don't even need to take a CM/Captain anymore to get a command squad for Celestine. Basically, they can be HER command squad. Load them with AP2 and you're good to go.

That was kind of the idea. The CM is 250 points of overcosted dead weight now , also that formation that lets you take all the things only lets you take a Captain. It's not really worth paying for all those upgrades on a model with even fewer attacks and wounds. Incidentally, I think that's about the cost of a pimped out command squad. (I think I'd give them 2 axes and 2 swords just so there's more attacks at initiative? Although, if I keep them attached to Celestine, I might do just axes. I don't think anything bigger makes sense on single wound dudes.

I could also just take TWC with an allied SW detachment, but then no FNP. Also, if I could figure out how to have a priest keep up with them, rerollable 2+/4++ would be pretty crazy. (I guess I could take the priest then detach after the first big fight. In this case a unit with a bigger footprint would be better so that the forward edge can move a lot while the priest stays in formation.)

**MacPhail**

So from what I'm seeing here and elsewhere, we like Castellans because it unlocks extra Dominions... anything else about getting people excited? So far all the second-faction attention is going toward Marines, either because Scouts are cheap, Drop Pods are useful, Biker Commands hit hard, or because certain Chapter Tactics have great synergy. Are there other IoM factions that now become worth a look? Inquisitorial Henchmen? Chimera Vets? Grav Chute Scions? Guard Blobs? I'm so giddy to have an actual viable formation I feel like I'm looking in all directions at once.

**pretre**

Guard blobs are good vs gsc.

Priests work pretty well even with fast units since you can string models back.

**Voldrak**

I have been thinking of including a single squad of grey knight interceptors (from the CIA formation) to run with Celestine.

They can jump with her. They can carry ap2 hammers and add another flamer template.

They canalso cast Hammerhand, further helping out Celestine and the Geminaes. Str 7 with armourbane would eat up walkers and most tanks pretty easilly.

Finally they can also go grab or contest a far off objective pretty easily should the need arises.

Its not obsec, but for 159 points it seems like a pretty good deal considering they should be able to survive with her tanking.

**pretre**

Not a bad idea.

**Mavnas**

Ah, I don't have the GK codex, so I hadn't considered those.

Other fun stuff: ability to take Imperial Guard tanks or Wyverns!! without having to paint 1 million dudes.

The formation is mostly guard, marines, and sisters and minor codices. Although, I guess if you were running an assassin now that's not a separate detachment, so that's good if you were limited.

Oh and also Hatred for everyone! (because I suck at rolling)

Downsides: Doesn't seem to have a fortification slot, which you'd think the defenders of a heavily fortified world would have? I saw these came out while I was taking a break: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Munitorum-Armoured-Containers

**Oberron**

The free hatred for everyone is fantastic for what is pretty much a double C.A.D turned into one large one. I'm excited because I can run 3 exocist and some dom squads. Troops being able to recycle (both the unit and their DTs) is fantastic for sister players since they are 'squishy'. Bikers for st celestine gives me the idea of painting them up as a hell's angels type to run with her and her girls.

**Mavnas**

So let's talk troops:

I feel like the best choices are:

-BSS in a Rhino with 2 melta guns (Rhino has 2 fire points, and you have two melta guns)
-Scouts in LSS probably with CCWs and melta bomb (hatred + open-topped skimmer seems like it would make for another unit that can assault the enemy back field)
-Sniper Scouts w/ camo cloaks (they've never done much for me,. but they're cheap and they can hold an objective in terrain)

I could also taking various IG squads. A 50 conscript blob to bubblewrap some exorcists? (but I'm honestly too lazy to paint that many of them :( also since you need 4 troops and you want some that will be completely removed in time to come back and still be useful...)

**MagicJuggler**

HQ: Guard Company Command Squads, meched up.
Troops: Stormtroopers and transports. The Taurox prime respawns on 5+, so you can even consider that if you feel cheeky; keep the Stormtroopers in DS Reserve too.
Fast Attack: Dominions.
HS: Wyverns, maybe some additional Immolators.

You get something similar to old-school Inquisitorial armies (substitute Taurox for Rhinos for the Stormtroopers though) and almost everything gets Ignore Cover.

**CreedEternal**

Pretty dirty but pretty sure Coteaz's new Lord of Formosa gives all infantry Obsec, so repawn Obsec troops supported by scouting Obsec dominions. Not really how I'd want to play the game but pretty nasty all the same if I've understood it right.

**pretre**

CreedEternal wrote:
Pretty dirty but pretty sure Coteaz's new Lord of Formosa gives all infantry Obsec, so repawn Obsec troops supported by scouting Obsec dominions. Not really how I'd want to play the game but pretty nasty all the same if I've understood it right.

Yep, it's been covered.

**Lordluke**

I feel the bss in rinos are best, either flames or meltas. With doms and exors we have lots of ap goodness and I for sure will be useing vinis to snipe at least 2 I feel they are so useful so plenty of ap2 around but those flamers will be so helpful to shift horde (GSM) armies or cheap scorers off objectives.
As for repressers I don't think we will be able to use them as they say dedicated transport for codex sisters of battle which in this cad we are not codex sisters of battle, although we look to our codex for units the represser is not actually in the book I'm unsure so will shy away from it otherwise it would be a good choice.

**Anpu-adom**

I like BSS in Rhinos and Dominions in Immolators.
I have a question though... why isn't anyone talking about Grav. Cents in this list? Is it just that it is too easy?

**pretre**

Repressors will still be available as DT for any squad purchased through C: AS, not C:IA, until FW updates.

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Anpu-adom wrote:
I like BSS in Rhinos and Dominions in Immolators.
I have a question though... why isn't anyone talking about Grav. Cents in this list? Is it just that it is too easy?

Pretty sure I posted a Grav Cent list a page or so back.

**Amishprn86**

"resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

I read it this way.

1) Player shoots you
2) You take save on St. Celestine
3) Its S6, you saved 2 out of 3
4) She took a wound, but she is EW so it counts as 1 wound
5) You then but that wound on the Geminae.
6) Still S6 so Geminae dies.

Edit: I would play her 1 in 3 ways

1) With Repentia as AT
2) DS in back field as a harass unit
3) Put her with a Bike unit

If SoB could get Drop Pods again it'll be my main army :3

**pretre**

Amishprn86 wrote:
"resolve any wounds suffered by celestine against the geminae superia closest to her instead."

I read it this way.

1) Player shoots you
2) You take save on St. Celestine
3) Its S6, you saved 2 out of 3
4) She took a wound, but she is EW so it counts as 1 wound
5) You then but that wound on the Geminae.
6) Still S6 so Geminae dies.

Instant Death doesn't make wounds count as more than one wound, it makes them reduce the model to 0 wounds.
"Instant Death: If a model suffers an unsaved Wound from an attack with this
special rule, it is reduced to 0 Wounds and removed as a casualty."

Eternal warrior does not change what the wound counts as or remove the ID special rule.
"If a model with this special rule suffers an unsaved Wound from an attack that inflicts
Instant Death, it only reduces its Wounds by 1, instead of automatically reducing its
Wounds to 0."

So you are correct, but the bits in the middle needed clarification.

**Amishprn86**

My english is poor sorry, I was saying her EW would keep her alive but point out not the geminae.

But thats what I said she takes 1 wound like normal.

**pretre**

Amishprn86 wrote:
My english is poor sorry, I was saying her EW would keep her alive but point out not the geminae.

But thats what I said she takes 1 wound like normal.

I would assume the same.

**RabbitMaster**

Voldrak wrote:
I have been thinking of including a single squad of grey knight interceptors (from the CIA formation) to run with Celestine.

They can jump with her. They can carry ap2 hammers and add another flamer template.

They canalso cast Hammerhand, further helping out Celestine and the Geminaes. Str 7 with armourbane would eat up walkers and most tanks pretty easilly.

Finally they can also go grab or contest a far off objective pretty easily should the need arises.

Its not obsec, but for 159 points it seems like a pretty good deal considering they should be able to survive with her tanking.

Yeah in the few days before the FoCadia leaks dropped, I was trying a Sister + GK combination using that detachment (DK+interceptors). It goes well with a sister army although the interceptor were a bit lackluster in my initial tests because... well they're just T4 3+. So when I first read Celestine rules I was happy because it seems like a good squad for her to be in, and it gives them the much needed protection while buffing her a bit more with hammerhand.

However, while it is definitively not a bad combination, now that we know the Castellan detachment I think we have much stronger (and pricier) combinations for Celestine. But yeah, if you're looking for a cheap-ish unit to put her in, this one is pretty good.

**pretre**

I'm thinking I may still do Sisters CAD with Celestine and CotGW with TWC.

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Castellan's is nice and all, but I don't know that it is nice enough for what I want.

**MacPhail**

pretre wrote:

Castellan's is nice and all, but I don't know that it is nice enough for what I want.

I feel like it should ameliorate some of the weaknesses the Sisters experience when crossing into double CAD teritory since you can fill Troops slots with a more utilitarian option to unlock extra Fast choices. Not sure if it actually DOES offer something better than burdensome minimum BSS units hanging around the backfield giving up kill points, but I'm interested to try it out.

**pretre**

MacPhail wrote:
pretre wrote:

Castellan's is nice and all, but I don't know that it is nice enough for what I want.

I feel like it should ameliorate some of the weaknesses the Sisters experience when crossing into double CAD teritory since you can fill Troops slots with a more utilitarian option to unlock extra Fast choices. Not sure if it actually DOES offer something better than burdensome minimum BSS units hanging around the backfield giving up kill points, but I'm interested to try it out.

I'll definitely try it and it helps out 'pure' lists, it's just that I don't know that it is actually better than CAD plus allies.

Celestine is definitely a buff though.

**Mavnas**

MacPhail wrote:
pretre wrote:

Castellan's is nice and all, but I don't know that it is nice enough for what I want.

I feel like it should ameliorate some of the weaknesses the Sisters experience when crossing into double CAD teritory since you can fill Troops slots with a more utilitarian option to unlock extra Fast choices. Not sure if it actually DOES offer something better than burdensome minimum BSS units hanging around the backfield giving up kill points, but I'm interested to try it out.

If that's all you use your BSS squads for, then SM scouts with camo cloaks might be better. Go ground in ruins for 2+ cover. I tend to give my BSS squads melta guns and rhinos and make them another unit that the enemy has to deal with. (I believe in overloading him with melta-wielding threats). Obviously some really shooty armies have no problem with this.

**Grand.Master.Raziel**

Dark Angels
Interrogator Chaplain on a bike wt Mace of Redemption, auspex
Ravenwing Command Squad with Apothecary, Ravenwing Banner

Supported by a Dark Shroud

2+ rerollable Jink save going in. Plasma talons on the Ravenwing Command Squad for hella shooting. RWCS all have Rending attacks - good against infantry and vehicles both. Apothecary for FNP. Ravenwing Banner gives an auto-pass on Hit & Run. Ravenwing grenade launcher firing stasis grenades debuffs the unit you're about to charge. Charging from within the Dark Shroud's Stealth bubble denies Overwatch. Interrogator Chaplain has a statline like a SM Captain minus 1 WS, plus the usual Chaplain buff in the first round of combat. Mace of Redemption is S+3 AP3, AP1 vs Chaos Marines, goes at initiative.

**pretre**

Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Dark Angels
Interrogator Chaplain on a bike wt Mace of Redemption, auspex
Ravenwing Command Squad with Apothecary, Ravenwing Banner

Supported by a Dark Shroud

2+ rerollable Jink save going in. Plasma talons on the Ravenwing Command Squad for hella shooting. RWCS all have Rending attacks - good against infantry and vehicles both. Apothecary for FNP. Ravenwing Banner gives an auto-pass on Hit & Run. Ravenwing grenade launcher firing stasis grenades debuffs the unit you're about to charge. Charging from within the Dark Shroud's Stealth bubble denies Overwatch. Interrogator Chaplain has a statline like a SM Captain minus 1 WS, plus the usual Chaplain buff in the first round of combat. Mace of Redemption is S+3 AP3, AP1 vs Chaos Marines, goes at initiative.

Wrong thread? Or are you suggesting a unit for Celestine?