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 RabbitMaster wrote:
Does the Dialogus laud-hailer works when embarked ?

Most auras do not.

 Jancoran wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:
Does the Dialogus laud-hailer works when embarked ?

Most auras do not.

I would say not... but you could take a Laud-hailer on the Rhino.
Not saying you should... I'm saying that you could.

 dracpanzer wrote:

Question about the new Celestine. Her and the twins can join a unit. Do they still have to remain in coherency between the three of them while also maintaing coherency with the joined unit?

Nope


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 Anpu-adom wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:
Does the Dialogus laud-hailer works when embarked ?

Most auras do not.

I would say not... but you could take a Laud-hailer on the Rhino.
Not saying you should... I'm saying that you could.

I'll have to check the FAQ again. Without the FAQ, it would work.

Okay, I want to run my first Castellans list by everyone. It isn't designed to be the greatest use of the formation... I suspect that will involve Scouts in LSStorms and Biker Commands. But it does use some units I've been struggling to integrate for a while now, and I think it's fairly fluffy. I'm nudging up to 2k, my usual game size.

Coteaz (100)
Celestine (200)
Scions Command (85)

5x BSS w/ 2x flamers (70)
5x BSS w/ 2x flamers (70)
5x Scions w/ 2x melta (90)
5x Scions w/ 2x plasma (100)

5x Dominion w/ 4x melta in MM Immo (165)
5x Dominion w/ 4x melta in MM Immo (165)
5x Dominion w/ 4x melta in MM Immo (165)
5x Seraphim w/ 2x hand flamers (95)

Exorcist (125)
Exorcist (125)
Exorcist (125)
5x Retributer w/ 4x HB and Simulacrum (110)

Inquisitorial Henchman Warband (200)
-Inquisitor w/ Liber Heresius
-5 Acolytes
-1 Mystics
-2 Jokaero
- Chimera w/ Psybolt

My general notions: Dominions up front and Exos holding the back line. BSS hold easy objectives and screen HB Rets, who hang with Coteaz. Inquisitor scouts up with Mystic to help bring Scions down on target; Jokaeros use fire points; Chimera form the basis for a midfield firebase of Scions. Celestine drops in with a handful of Seraphim to raise hell and spread Blessings. Formation bonus means deep striking Scions might get a chance to recycle late in the game and DS onto a key objective, something my extra BSS were never able to do. ObSec Doms might be pretty clutch too. I haven't really sniffed out the implications of all the Blessings and other assorted bonuses yet...

Biggest questions: are such small squads of Rets and Seraphim a waste? Should I shed one to add bodies, wargear, or priests elsewhere? Mount up the BSS for durability and mobility? I'm also wondering if a Battle Conclave (minimum 115 w/ priest) might be a better companion unit for Celestine.

Thoughts and ideas welcome!

I had an interesting idea. There's a relic in the DW book that gives a unit 4++ as long as the model carrying doesn't move during the movement phase. Combine that with a 50 guardsmen/conscript blob with two priests, one with the book. You can plant them in a double line 6' long across the front of your deployment zone or a longer, deeper formation across a smaller space. They would prevent non-jump/deep striking units from getting into melee with your guys unless they take a lot of trouble removing 3-5 point models

Small squads with transport or fortare no good.


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If you want the invul, why not go for Azrael. Then you can at least hit back and move if necessary.

 pretre wrote:
Small squads with transport or fortare no good.


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If you want the invul, why not go for Azrael. Then you can at least hit back and move if necessary.

I think I was mostly trying to get a squad of DW bikers without feeling like I was paying a huge tax. I don't think it's worth it?

Mavnas wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Small squads with transport or fortare no good.


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If you want the invul, why not go for Azrael. Then you can at least hit back and move if necessary.

I think I was mostly trying to get a squad of DW bikers without feeling like I was paying a huge tax. I don't think it's worth it?

Well, to get the bikers, you would need a troop as well. That's going to be a lot of tax.

 pretre wrote:

Mavnas wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Small squads with transport or fortare no good.


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If you want the invul, why not go for Azrael. Then you can at least hit back and move if necessary.

I think I was mostly trying to get a squad of DW bikers without feeling like I was paying a huge tax. I don't think it's worth it?

Well, to get the bikers, you would need a troop as well. That's going to be a lot of tax.

Yeah, and they seem overcosted pretty heavily if you want them to be useful.

So, no one purge me as a heretic right now, but...

I was contemplating running my SOB as Battle Company.

I have enough minis to cover it and would use Immos as Razorbacks (HB or HF) and Rhinos as Rhinos. I'm trying to figure out a good counts-as for Scouts, but may have to just build them.

Here's a sample list (spoilered for heresy):

http://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/That+s+like+double+heresy+_31122e73581202a7b86d89791bc1f4cc.jpg

Yep... and too easy.

 pretre wrote:
So, no one purge me as a heretic right now, but...

I was contemplating running my SOB as Battle Company.

I have enough minis to cover it and would use Immos as Razorbacks (HB or HF) and Rhinos as Rhinos. I'm trying to figure out a good counts-as for Scouts, but may have to just build them.

Here's a sample list (spoilered for heresy):

Spoiler:

I am missing a single transport ( I have 5 Immolators and 4 Rhinos).



BDC 1

Canoness - Captain - 90
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Razorback - 80
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Razorback - 80
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Razorback - 80
Retributor Squad - Dev Squad with 4 Multi melta in Rhino - 110
Seraphim without Flight Packs - Assault Marines with 2 Flamers in Rhino - 80

BDC 2

Canoness - Chaplain - 90
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Razorback - 80
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Razorback - 80
Battle Sister Squad - Tac Squad with Melta in Rhino- 80
Retributor Squad - Dev Squad with 4 Multi melta in Rhino - 110
Seraphim without Flight Packs - Assault Marines with 2 Flamers (missing transport) - 80



Whirlwind Supression Force

Land Speeder with Typhoon (yuck, I would have to convert this. I have an unpainted one) - 70
Exorcist - Whirlwind - 65
Exorcist - Whirlwind - 65


Allied Detachment

Celestine - 200
Scouts with Snipers - 60 (Don't have a good replacement for this to get Celestine into the army, so I'd have to do these unless someone has a clever idea)


Razorbacks will be a mix of whatever I can find. I have HB for the Immos, but not a lot. I'm not a big fan of the supression force, but I don't have a good 'counts-as' for anything else. I guess I could use warpath scouts for female SOB scouts and convert them up.

Wow as one of our most stalwart sister player you have finally gone over to the dark side. Counts as marines *sigh* you are dead to me

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

Wow as one of our most stalwart sister player you have finally gone over to the dark side. Counts as marines *sigh* you are dead to me

I've always been a big fan of counts-as. I use my SW as pretty much every space marine chapter depending on how I am feeling.

Making lists this last week with SOB and our 'new tools' just has not been satisfying though.

Well you take that dirty space marine talk to their tactic threads

Since there is no degree of heresy, as soon as you take your first step outside the Holy Light of Our Emperor, you better run faster than our bolts and go full heresy. Because it looks like too much meltas, not enough grav and whirlwind are kind of bad.

Battle company works, but not with every loadout. Yeah I know it's hard to believe that there are other weapons than bolters, flamers and meltas... =)

Heresy simply cannot and will not be tolerated.

So, let's turn me around then. Someone give me a list that they think can compete with Battle Company using sisters.

I want to believe...


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For example, here's my 1500 straight SOB list:

Celestine and Geminae - 200
BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 SCS with Hosp, Dial with LH and BoSL, 3 Condemn in Rhino - 155
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
1500

 pretre wrote:
So, let's turn me around then. Someone give me a list that they think can compete with Battle Company using sisters.

I want to believe...


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For example, here's my 1500 straight SOB list:

Celestine and Geminae - 200
BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
BSS with Melta/Flamer in Rhino - 115
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
5 SCS with Hosp, Dial with LH and BoSL, 3 Condemn in Rhino - 155
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
1500

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Thanks, Jancoran, for your assistance. Really helpful.

 pretre wrote:
So, let's turn me around then. Someone give me a list that they think can compete with Battle Company using sisters.

By that do you mean a list that can has good chances of beating a Battle Company? Or a list that as good as a Battle Company overall ?

Personnally I have good success with my Sisters + IK list against battle companies. Is it overall better ? Heck no, but with our current codex it will probably never happen anyway.

 RabbitMaster wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So, let's turn me around then. Someone give me a list that they think can compete with Battle Company using sisters.

By that do you mean a list that can has good chances of beating a Battle Company? Or a list that as good as a Battle Company overall ?

Personnally I have good success with my Sisters + IK list against battle companies. Is it overall better ? Heck no, but with our current codex it will probably never happen anyway.

One that will do as well as a battle company in a Maelstrom environment. I may just be down today, but I'm not feeling like any list I am coming up with for Sisters really stands a chance in a competitive environment.

 pretre wrote:
Thanks, Jancoran, for your assistance. Really helpful.

Levity is always worthy of appreciation.

Competitive Sisters that will fight with BC in maelstorm?

Try this Castellan Detachment:
Celestine
Coteaz
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
Wyvern
Wyvern
Storm Talon
Storm Talon

1710 so far and you can easily swap out the support vehicles as needed. You're mobile, have a ton of fire power and a good amount of ObSec. Bring it battle company.

Nice.

Maybe the Rhinos are red herrings. What about this?

Castellans:
HQ:
Celestine and Geminae (200)
Inquisitor Coteaz (100)
Ministorum Priest (25)
Ministorum Priest (25)

Troops:
BSSx5 Flamer and Heavy Flamer (75)
BSSx5 Flamer and Heavy Flamer (75)
BSSx5 Flamer and Heavy Flamer (75)
BSSx5 Flamer and Heavy Flamer (75)
BSSx5 Flamer and Heavy Flamer (75)

Fast Attack:
Dominions x5 Multimelta x4, Repressor (180)
Dominions x5 Multimelta x4, Repressor (180)
Dominions x5 Multimelta x4, Repressor (180)
Dominions x5 Multimelta x4, Repressor (180)

Heavy Support:
Retributors x5, Heavy Flamer, 3x Heavy Bolter (100)

Coteaz hangs out with the Retuributors.
You have 5 foot squads of Sisters, one of which can push forward with Priests and Celestine. The rest can chill on objectives that the Dominions can clear (and come back on a 5+, and are ObSec).

Not so sure about the squads with no rides. Also, if Coteaz is with the Rets, they can't rend.

Yeah to compete Maelstrom-wise, a Cotellan (or Casteaz? Castellaz ?) detachment is probably the way to go.

Foot slogging Sister is terrible though.... Give yo sista a ride ! Also Dominions don't come back, only troops does.
The first list is way better and still has room to grow.

PanzerLeader wrote:
Competitive Sisters that will fight with BC in maelstorm?

Try this Castellan Detachment:
Celestine
Coteaz
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
Wyvern
Wyvern
Storm Talon
Storm Talon

1710 so far and you can easily swap out the support vehicles as needed. You're mobile, have a ton of fire power and a good amount of ObSec. Bring it battle company.

I like the idea of this. I wish I had Wyverns or Storm Talons.

Put the BSS in immolators to get more mileage of the troops recycling. Plus heavy flamer/melta units really only need one fire point.

Oh man, I keep forgetting we got our FP back.