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How hilarious would it be if SoB turn out to be totally broken in the new edition? Just seeing what the bandwagoners trot out trying to avoid the ridiculous cost of actually building a SoB army(and how difficult it can be to even find basic heavy weapons). Oh man, could you even imagine trotting up to a table at a tournament and seeing a guy unpacking Eldar, taking an exorcist out of your case and watching his shoulders slump and his eyes go flat...ahhhh sweet justice.

ERJAK wrote:
How hilarious would it be if SoB turn out to be totally broken in the new edition? Just seeing what the bandwagoners trot out trying to avoid the ridiculous cost of actually building a SoB army(and how difficult it can be to even find basic heavy weapons). Oh man, could you even imagine trotting up to a table at a tournament and seeing a guy unpacking Eldar, taking an exorcist out of your case and watching his shoulders slump and his eyes go flat...ahhhh sweet justice.

That would be funny. But inevitably it wouldn't be the Exorcist or something we have several of that's OP.

It would be something entirely new [or at least uncommon], and hideously overpriced.

The funny thing is I am usually the optimist.

 pretre wrote:
I know everyone saw 'Pistols in CC' and got excited, but I think it is WAY too early to know that. Seraphim haven't been good in a LOOOOONG time and I don't see anything yet that changes that.

Agree, especially because it sounds like you get to shoot pistols in the subsequent shooting phase after being locked in combat and not during the fight sub-phase.

Pistols, no assault or rapid-fire weapons.
There have been several mentions of 'nearest unit'... which makes me wonder if you will need to take and pass leadership tests to shoot not-the-nearest unit... like in the old days.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
How hilarious would it be if SoB turn out to be totally broken in the new edition? Just seeing what the bandwagoners trot out trying to avoid the ridiculous cost of actually building a SoB army(and how difficult it can be to even find basic heavy weapons). Oh man, could you even imagine trotting up to a table at a tournament and seeing a guy unpacking Eldar, taking an exorcist out of your case and watching his shoulders slump and his eyes go flat...ahhhh sweet justice.

That would be funny. But inevitably it wouldn't be the Exorcist or something we have several of that's OP.

It would be something entirely new [or at least uncommon], and hideously overpriced.

That's the best part, everything they still sell retail is relatively common and cheap(relative to being a sisters of battle player) when you only need to pad out a force. So they could try to do the pay to won thing but they wouldn't be able to profit on it, only ebay would.

This actually happened quite a bit in 6th, I believe.

When White Scars, GK and Tau Riptides were very popular, people hated SOB since they killed all the best lists really easily.

Are you guys excited for 8th? I am not.

However, 7th got a fitting end for me. I won't be playing another game until 8th is out. I was at a GT in West Plains, MO last Saturday. I'm not sure if the rest of the world has been paying attention, but Missouri is underwater. The civic center the comic book convention/40k tourney was being held at lost power (as did the rest of the grid) and became a red cross shelter. A lot of the 40k tourney players were military, or ex military, and we ended up helping out and organizing it. Once the civic center started flooding it got moved up the hill to a church, but that's a long story in itself. Back to my original point: During my last game of 7th edition, the lights went out, and everyone lost.

I'm always excited for a new edition.

More than I have been for 4-7th. AoS is great with points. Everything they have dropped as preview seems excellent.

Mind you, I don't that AoS/40k are ever going to be the most involved rule set ever. They aren't meant to be. The scale is too "in between" for that.

Sisters look to be getting a boost, that I like.

ERJAK wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
How hilarious would it be if SoB turn out to be totally broken in the new edition? Just seeing what the bandwagoners trot out trying to avoid the ridiculous cost of actually building a SoB army(and how difficult it can be to even find basic heavy weapons). Oh man, could you even imagine trotting up to a table at a tournament and seeing a guy unpacking Eldar, taking an exorcist out of your case and watching his shoulders slump and his eyes go flat...ahhhh sweet justice.

That would be funny. But inevitably it wouldn't be the Exorcist or something we have several of that's OP.

It would be something entirely new [or at least uncommon], and hideously overpriced.

That's the best part, everything they still sell retail is relatively common and cheap(relative to being a sisters of battle player) when you only need to pad out a force. So they could try to do the pay to won thing but they wouldn't be able to profit on it, only ebay would.

If we get something completely broken, it won't be something in the current lineup.

We keep asking for plastic, but if they do a sweeping release for us, you know it's not going to just be our regulars in plastic. One kit would cover Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and Battle Sisters, really, and they could only set up to have overpriced Dominions/Retributor kits by starving the regular kit of special weapons. They already set up their 10-man sets to have terrible weapons loadouts so no matter what you have to buy $20 more to be WYSIWYG, so I wouldn't put it past them.

I use the way the IG got the Wyvern as proof. We wanted a plastic Griffon/Medusa/Colossus kit and Hydra kit. They gave us the plastic Hydra we wanted, and added in the Wyvern, which is, if I do say so myself, ridiculously good for its points cost and basically a must have for any guard army.


I guess here's the thing: We who play Sisters now already have all the things. If they made plastic kits of the entire lineup, we'd buy some of them because we like to have more things, but most of it would be bought by people starting the army. So, if/when they eventually do make us plastic models, they'll want to have something that we're going to buy, and they're going to want us to have to buy it if we want to remain "good". So sure, they can buff Celestians or something bad through the roof, or make the Exorcist even better than it is, but why would they, when they can make so much more money making something brand new and hilariously overpowered that both those of us who currently play Sisters and those who don't but want to and are turned off by the whole $100 per squad thing will have to buy in quantity.


I mean, I don't think we're going to get plastic figures any time soon as is. GW knows that 1: we're willing to buy metal figures at way-too-much-a-model, and 2: we're willing to buy them in large quantities. They'll release plastics when they think they can get new players to play Sisters. And when that happens, like all recent updates, it will come with being completely and utterly overpowered. But until then, they have no incentive to actually add anything to our lineup, and will just continue to charge us as much as possible.

I own...so...much...stuff for Sisters. Lol. I mean...its absurd.

Celestians would be an obvious one to make "better". and i think they also could easily re-imagine the Immolator. Obviously adding Sisters of Silence to the force would be neat.

Other than that, I think just making new players like them will be their goal.

That's not how retail works. ILK is right. They need to make us want to buy the new stuff.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
How hilarious would it be if SoB turn out to be totally broken in the new edition? Just seeing what the bandwagoners trot out trying to avoid the ridiculous cost of actually building a SoB army(and how difficult it can be to even find basic heavy weapons). Oh man, could you even imagine trotting up to a table at a tournament and seeing a guy unpacking Eldar, taking an exorcist out of your case and watching his shoulders slump and his eyes go flat...ahhhh sweet justice.

That would be funny. But inevitably it wouldn't be the Exorcist or something we have several of that's OP.

It would be something entirely new [or at least uncommon], and hideously overpriced.

That's the best part, everything they still sell retail is relatively common and cheap(relative to being a sisters of battle player) when you only need to pad out a force. So they could try to do the pay to won thing but they wouldn't be able to profit on it, only ebay would.

If we get something completely broken, it won't be something in the current lineup.

We keep asking for plastic, but if they do a sweeping release for us, you know it's not going to just be our regulars in plastic. One kit would cover Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and Battle Sisters, really, and they could only set up to have overpriced Dominions/Retributor kits by starving the regular kit of special weapons. They already set up their 10-man sets to have terrible weapons loadouts so no matter what you have to buy $20 more to be WYSIWYG, so I wouldn't put it past them.

I use the way the IG got the Wyvern as proof. We wanted a plastic Griffon/Medusa/Colossus kit and Hydra kit. They gave us the plastic Hydra we wanted, and added in the Wyvern, which is, if I do say so myself, ridiculously good for its points cost and basically a must have for any guard army.


I guess here's the thing: We who play Sisters now already have all the things. If they made plastic kits of the entire lineup, we'd buy some of them because we like to have more things, but most of it would be bought by people starting the army. So, if/when they eventually do make us plastic models, they'll want to have something that we're going to buy, and they're going to want us to have to buy it if we want to remain "good". So sure, they can buff Celestians or something bad through the roof, or make the Exorcist even better than it is, but why would they, when they can make so much more money making something brand new and hilariously overpowered that both those of us who currently play Sisters and those who don't but want to and are turned off by the whole $100 per squad thing will have to buy in quantity.


I mean, I don't think we're going to get plastic figures any time soon as is. GW knows that 1: we're willing to buy metal figures at way-too-much-a-model, and 2: we're willing to buy them in large quantities. They'll release plastics when they think they can get new players to play Sisters. And when that happens, like all recent updates, it will come with being completely and utterly overpowered. But until then, they have no incentive to actually add anything to our lineup, and will just continue to charge us as much as possible.

I don't really agree, mostly because I doubt that many people actually buy sisters at retail, ebay and recasts are almost certainly the majority of SoB transactions. And the rest requires a sort of pessimism I don't really feel towards GW at the moment.

And definitely speak for yourself on the plastics, they come out with new plastic kits I drop 800-1000$ day one and put my metal, very lovingly, into storage forever.

I hate metal.

indeed - I have hundreds of pounds reserved for plastic Sisters.

Although would hope to mix and match with the metal

 pretre wrote:
That's not how retail works. ILK is right. They need to make us want to buy the new stuff.

It's delusion to think otherwise. GW has a record of doing this as of late.

I latched onto the Wyvern as my example, because the 9125th doesn't leave base without one, but there are dozens more examples.

They introduced the Taurox and coincidentally increased the cost of the Chimera and deleted 3 firepoints. Coincidentally, the Taurox has an Autocannon instead of a Multilaser, which is, coincidentally a thing that was fairly desired for Chimerae, and costs fewer points!

They made a new plastic Broadside kit, and simultaneously nerfed the loadout that all the old Broadsides had, and conveniently made a new loadout that was really good. Really, the entire tau codex. The only models that were in my friends 5e Army that are still in his 7e Army are Fire Warriors. Instead of Railheads it's Tideline Rigs. There's Riptides and Missilesides, and the f****** Optimized Stealth Cadre full of Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges!

There's Daemon Summoning and splitting Horrors. There's the Wraithknight and Imperial Knights.

There's new Celestine!


If we ever get anything else really good in plastic, it's going to be something we don't have and can't make with our current model collections.


They already go out of their way to get as much money as they can from us. Look at how they sell our models now, if you haven't recently.

A "Battle Sisters Squad" comes with 6 Bolters, 1 Storm Bolter, 1 Meltagun, 1 Simulacrum, and 1 Sister Superior.
A "Dominions Squad" comes with 1 Meltagun, 1 Storm Bolter, 2 Flamers, and 1 Sister Superior.
A "Retributors Squad" comes with 4 Multimeltas, 5 Bolters, and 1 Sister Superior.

I don't know about you, but none of those look like loadouts I'd consider running.

So, you have to spend $80 on the squad box and another $20 on additional special weapons.


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ERJAK wrote:

I don't really agree, mostly because I doubt that many people actually buy sisters at retail, ebay and recasts are almost certainly the majority of SoB transactions. And the rest requires a sort of pessimism I don't really feel towards GW at the moment.

And definitely speak for yourself on the plastics, they come out with new plastic kits I drop 800-1000$ day one and put my metal, very lovingly, into storage forever.

I hate metal.

I actually like the metal figures [I like the weight and the look, but I wish I could pose them and there was more variety], but I would probably buy a bunch if they came out with plastics. If new Celestine and her Geminae are any indication, they'll look really nice. But that's besides the point.


The point is, they'll release plastics when they think new players will pick up Sisters, because that's how they stand to make the most money, and if we get anything really overpowered out of it, they'll make sure it's not something currently in our lineup so longtime players will have to buy 3 of them.

I may be cynical, but it's from experience.

Mr Morden wrote:indeed - I have hundreds of pounds reserved for plastic Sisters.

Although would hope to mix and match with the metal

Me too.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

We keep asking for plastic, but if they do a sweeping release for us, you know it's not going to just be our regulars in plastic. One kit would cover Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and Battle Sisters, really, and they could only set up to have overpriced Dominions/Retributor kits by starving the regular kit of special weapons. They already set up their 10-man sets to have terrible weapons loadouts so no matter what you have to buy $20 more to be WYSIWYG, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Sisters are very expensive but are definitely not "overpriced". The fellows at The Long War thought the same when the new arrangements of squads came out. So they did some research. But it's not GW that is the problem here. The models are made of pewter, atm pewter is very expensive. As GW is a bussiness, they want to profit from sales. Therefor they have to crank up te price of squads in order to profit.
So YES, they are expensive but NO, they are not overpiced

Other than the hard to find meltas and some of the Made-to-Order kits, I have averaged less than $7.00 a model for my sisters. Granted, that was before the Fall of Cadia and the bump of prices. That puts me at the same range as a box of plastic specialist space marines (devastators, or the like).
I got there by buying groups of them, rather than individually. Yes, I have some that I don't imagine using much... (eyeing a pair of stormbolters that I got alongside some other models I really wanted. Oh well. Maybe I'll end up using them in Shadow War Armeghedon.

 L1ttle wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

We keep asking for plastic, but if they do a sweeping release for us, you know it's not going to just be our regulars in plastic. One kit would cover Celestians, Dominions, Retributors, and Battle Sisters, really, and they could only set up to have overpriced Dominions/Retributor kits by starving the regular kit of special weapons. They already set up their 10-man sets to have terrible weapons loadouts so no matter what you have to buy $20 more to be WYSIWYG, so I wouldn't put it past them.

Sisters are very expensive but are definitely not "overpriced". The fellows at The Long War thought the same when the new arrangements of squads came out. So they did some research. But it's not GW that is the problem here. The models are made of pewter, atm pewter is very expensive. As GW is a bussiness, they want to profit from sales. Therefor they have to crank up te price of squads in order to profit.
So YES, they are expensive but NO, they are not overpiced

I understand that pewter is expensive, and find the prices online tolerable. I find the issuing of what could be the worst possible loadout in a given squad set kind of annoying, but not that bad.

I was commenting on the fact that I think the plastic kits are fairly overpriced because they can be overpriced. Long Fangs are $10 less than a regular Devastator kit, and come with the same parts [less 2 Grav Cannons and 2 Multimeltas]. Grey Hunters cost $3 less than Tactical Marines, but come with a lot more bits and trinkets and parts and options [according to GW's website, there are 40 more unique components in a box of Grey Hunters than a box of Tactical Marines].

Next OP unit for us: Penitent Engines ! And I'm only half-joking here, all the changes we've seen so far are favorable to them while they wont be as easy to destroy anymore.

 RabbitMaster wrote:
Next OP unit for us: Penitent Engines ! And I'm only half-joking here, all the changes we've seen so far are favorable to them while they wont be as easy to destroy anymore.

Good for them, I guess, but I'm not actually sure. The dreadnought is only T7 3+, and will die to 50 marines shooting at it.

I don't know that that is a problem.
The problem with dreads last edition was that they would get immobilized and then be useless for the whole game. That doesn't seem to be an issue anymore.

No more terrain tests either it appears.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 RabbitMaster wrote:
Next OP unit for us: Penitent Engines ! And I'm only half-joking here, all the changes we've seen so far are favorable to them while they wont be as easy to destroy anymore.

Good for them, I guess, but I'm not actually sure. The dreadnought is only T7 3+, and will die to 50 marines shooting at it.

Only 50 marines? That is half of an entire company... I think dreads will be fine.

50 marines, in their current state, is also 600+ points.

If someone is using that to kill a 100 points model, more power to me


I will admit I am a little unimpressed with the Leman Russ statistics posted by Reece, I expected the tank with 14 front armor to be a little bit more hard to kill. That means the Exorcists may end up being more fragile than we might want it to be.

Based on the Dreadnought stats I am expecting the Penitent engine to be:

M WS BS S T A W Sv
8 4+ 5+ 6 6 4 6 4+

If that end up being the case, I don't think they will be seeing the table given what we know so far. They would still be too fragile.





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And today's weapon updates just validated my investment into 5 of the canoness with the combi-flamer option. They are going to be soooo good now.


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Oh yeah.

It also would mean that twin linked heavy flamers on immolators now roll 2d6 hits most like at str5 rend -1. They are going to be making a solid return to the tabletop.

today they released more weapon profiles.

For example, the Battle Cannon is 72" range, Heavy d6, Strength 8, AP -2, and d3 damage.

Based on that example, let's talk about the Exorcist.
Everything is basically the rockets on the exorcist! That will be huge. Discounting the matter of saves for a moment, it is an incredibly flat distribution... weighted a little more in the area of 4-6 wounds. But with a 5.6% Chance to score 18 up to wounds! Wow!

Twin-linked is going to just twice the number of shots... makes sense, and Tau are going to take a bit of a hit. (See a trend of limiting rerolls... maybe?!?!)

You can shoot either profile of the combi-weapon in any turn... or take a penalty of -1 to hit to shoot both. This is super cool, and I am really hoping for a plastic Veteran Sisters box to get some combi-weapons out of!

 Anpu-adom wrote:
today they released more weapon profiles.

For example, the Battle Cannon is 72" range, Heavy d6, Strength 8, AP -2, and d3 damage.

Based on that example, let's talk about the Exorcist.
Everything is basically the rockets on the exorcist! That will be huge. Discounting the matter of saves for a moment, it is an incredibly flat distribution... weighted a little more in the area of 4-6 wounds. But with a 5.6% Chance to score 18 up to wounds! Wow!

Twin-linked is going to just twice the number of shots... makes sense, and Tau are going to take a bit of a hit. (See a trend of limiting rerolls... maybe?!?!)

You can shoot either profile of the combi-weapon in any turn... or take a penalty of -1 to hit to shoot both. This is super cool, and I am really hoping for a plastic Veteran Sisters box to get some combi-weapons out of!

Considering the Exorcist is AP1, it will probably be -4.

With regards to the probability distribution, I just plotted it out [didn't include to-hits yet]. It makes a very nice looking curve, averaging around 11 wounds. It has a slight left-skew. It will come down some accounting for to-hits

Based on the lascannon and the battle cannon, my guess is as follows:

Exorcist Missile Launcher: Range 48", Heavy D6 shots, Str 8,AP -4, Damage 1, (and i'm willing to bet they get the melta rule since it's not over the top in this edition.)

Melta doing D6 wounds is huge for us.

I own...so ..many...meltagun sisters. that should be fun.