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Drunken talk the other week inevitably turned to the nerdy and somehow a Batman beats everyone conversation arose.

I havent read any of the comics but the argument went like this:
Any enemy that Batman potentially faces (adhering to the comic books) he retreats to the Batcave and works out a tactic or strategy or workaround for their ability.
Then defeats them.

All sorts of enemies were being thrown about from the comic universes.
I didnt really know enough about things so could only offer lame ideas like Mystique copying him or Apocalypse (who technically is immortal iirc).

I learned later this is a long running and quite heated debate amongst the comic book community.
Who knew eh?

Views?

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The general consensus among comic book readers is that the Batfans are kind of full of crap on that regard, which is balanced out by an equally large group of batman haters who say he can't do anything.

While he's good, he's demonstrated less impressive feats with his prep time than say the Doctor or Reed Richards.

Now if you really want overpowered

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The flash is pretty much capital G god in terms of power.

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I have no idea who those two are =/

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 Ratius wrote:
I have no idea who those two are =/

Mr.Fantastic and the main character of Doctor Who.

But no seriously, the Flash is ridiculous.

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I personally love the Batman but the reason why he always seems to be able to beat anyone he faces is because they have to keep making books! With that in mind, I also respect the fact that he is the lone mortal without any super powers in most incantations of the Justice League (whose roster includes multiple demigods).

In the Marvel Universe, there is just no way he could compete with entities like Onslaught, the Silver Surfer, Galactus, or the Phoenix Force. Also, the fanboy in me could never be convinced he could survive going toe-to-toe with the Wolverine. Sorry.

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Could Apocalypse beat him?
I love Apocy.

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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I personally love the Batman but the reason why he always seems to be able to beat anyone he faces is because they have to keep making books! With that in mind, I also respect the fact that he is the lone mortal without any super powers in most incantations of the Justice League (whose roster includes multiple demigods).

In the Marvel Universe, there is just no way he could compete with entities like Onslaught, the Silver Surfer, Galactus, or the Phoenix Force. Also, the fanboy in me could never be convinced he could survive going toe-to-toe with the Wolverine. Sorry.


They made a Batman vs. Wolverine movie in the super hero showdown thingie. Batman kicked him around, thought he won...and Wolverine came back and stabbed him through the chest. Dead Bats. Of course, the idea that Batman would have gone after Wolverine without knowing what he was up against is near laughable. So I don't think that situation would have occurred.

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 Ratius wrote:
Could Apocalypse beat him?
I love Apocy.

Batman? Sure

Flash? Flash hits him with literally billions of white dwarf level punches before he could ever think to defend himself, then vibrates a hand through his skull, rips out his brain, and then steals all his kinetic energy for good measure.


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Couldnt Batman build a slowing down time machine and trap Flash in it, then Flash would move at "normal speed" and Batty would beat his craw in?

Isnt that what Batty does? Out-think/plan people?

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Batman would whipe his batbutt with the Flash. Bats has stuff in storage if anyone from the Justice League goes rogue. Bats just take precautionary measures for if something would actually happen.

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 Ratius wrote:
Couldnt Batman build a slowing down time machine and trap Flash in it, then Flash would move at "normal speed" and Batty would beat his craw in?

Isnt that what Batty does? Out-think/plan people?

Flash can steal the speed from the rest of the universe (I'm not kidding) and overcome such methods.

And if Flash was bloodlusted, he'd put his fist through Batman's brain after going back in time within a span of time so small that you cannot imagine it.

There are entire settings that cannot stop or even inconvenience the Flash.

To put this in perspective, put the Flash in star wars and he would kill every living thing in the entire galaxy within the span of a single second, running around and punching everyone to death.

He is that fast.

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 Kain wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Couldnt Batman build a slowing down time machine and trap Flash in it, then Flash would move at "normal speed" and Batty would beat his craw in?

Isnt that what Batty does? Out-think/plan people?

Flash can steal the speed from the rest of the universe (I'm not kidding) and overcome such methods.

And if Flash was bloodlusted, he'd put his fist through Batman's brain after going back in time within a span of time so small that you cannot imagine it.

There are entire settings that cannot stop or even inconvenience the Flash.

To put this in perspective, put the Flash in star wars and he would kill every living thing in the entire galaxy within the span of a single second, running around and punching everyone to death.

He is that fast.


Part of the reason I'm not a big fan of the DC universe. WAY to many OP characters.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Couldnt Batman build a slowing down time machine and trap Flash in it, then Flash would move at "normal speed" and Batty would beat his craw in?

Isnt that what Batty does? Out-think/plan people?

Flash can steal the speed from the rest of the universe (I'm not kidding) and overcome such methods.

And if Flash was bloodlusted, he'd put his fist through Batman's brain after going back in time within a span of time so small that you cannot imagine it.

There are entire settings that cannot stop or even inconvenience the Flash.

To put this in perspective, put the Flash in star wars and he would kill every living thing in the entire galaxy within the span of a single second, running around and punching everyone to death.

He is that fast.


Part of the reason I'm not a big fan of the DC universe. WAY to many OP characters.

I couldn't agree more. At least in Marvel all of the vastly overpowered entities aren't main characters and are all cosmic in some way (Beyonder, the Living Tribunal, Eternity, etc.) who have god-like powers (some could even be considered actual gods). I just can't get down with a character who is so powerful just because he runs fast.

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More newb questions, couldnt Magneto suck all the iron out of Battys blood?

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Isn't the question not more would they have the chance to?

I mean you could just list off every superhero/villain and say what they could do to Batman but it lacks context. You'd need to establish a certain, preferably non biased, situation.

   
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Drunk talk precluded that however MoD.

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C'mon Kain, i see your point but the potty-mouth filled image is a bit much.

Yeah this one has always irritated me. AFAIK Batman is like the ultimate human (a bit beyond iirc) in terms of physical capabilities and acuity but i am not sure how far his 'Mastermind' powers extend. He still, afaik, relies on various pieces of equipment to solve dastardly crimes.

IIRC, in Arkham Asylum on the xbox (my only real experience with the Batman EU), it mentions that batman's memory is 'Photographic' compared to another character who has 'Eidetic' memory. He is not even the smartest guy in Gotham.

Not to mention that he relies on preparation. Batman often fares pretty poorly in his first encounters with super criminals, he has to retreat and lick his wounds.

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A friend got involved and wrote this elsewhere (img links broken)

Yeah the Batman vs Superman or Batman vs Anyone debates are really ugly, think a WoW argument about looting rights and you are approaching the right level of venom.

Your mate has a pretty good point about the Joker and is more or less spot on. He is clearly portrayed that way, and Batman himself makes this explicitly clear more than once – that basically he cannot predict what the Joker is going to do – even his personality seems to vary day to day.

Other villains also fear working with the Joker for the same reason. In a mini-series called “Infinite Crisis” a few years ago, a huge Secret Society of Supervillians featuring basically every bad guy in the world (An alternative universe Lex Luther was the leader) was set up, and Joker was one of the few excluded/not invited, because he was too unpredictable. The real Lex Luthor, who had been in hiding, later used the Joker to kill the alternative Lex – the joker was angry he had been left out and, and classically sprayed him with acid from a joke lapel flower. Before shooting him in the face.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/InfiniteCrisis7Crop.jpg

Bane used to be considered a very strong rival to Batman, and is still considered right up there. Since his inception as a bad guy, he has now turned into more of an anti-hero. He has in the past helped Batman defend Gotham, and basically sees him as a very worthy enemy and gives him his greatest respect. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ori ... _bane2.jpg

He even worked to defend Gotham for a while when Batman was absent. http://downloadablesuicide.com/wp-conte ... wesome.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2749/444 ... bf01_b.jpg

Now, as for WHY he was considered such a rival – he’s basically not just a big punchy guy. Ok, he CAN do that, and twist people’s heads off and snap people’s spines, but that’s not his main skill. He’s technically a polymath self-taught genius. He is incredibly smart and calculating. His background was that he was brought up as a child in a prison, teaching himself everything he needed to know to survive and escape. He then created a criminal empire in South America (where he is from) and eventually decided to expand his operations into the U.S. He choose Gotham as his first target because he wanted to prove to everyone he could take down the best – once he had defeated Batman, he would get the respect of all the other criminals/supervillains.

Bane’s gimmick is that he has access (and is addicted to) a powerful drug called Venom, which he injects directly into his veins during combat. This dramatically increases his size, strength and speed – although it is important to note, in most combats, he doesn’t need to use it.

In the classic story line “KnightFall”, where Bane is first introduced, he has a complicated strategy designed to wear Batman down both mentally and physically. He organises a mass breakout of Arkham Asylum and arms all the inmates with military hardware. Batman then has to spend a week defeating every single enemy one at a time – Joker, Scarecrow, Two-face, Mr Zaszz, the Mad Hatter – basically his whole rogues gallery. This essentially cripples Batman mentally and leaves him exhausted. In addition, due to his immense intellect, Bane has already deduced Batman is Bruce Wayne. After Batman has finally returned everyone to Arkham, Bane arrives at Wayne Manor, (http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ ... bane06.jpg) and brutally beats him. The fight carries down to the Batcave, where he finally breaks Batman – literally, by snapping his spine on his knee. He leaves him alive but crippled on purpose – so that he can see how truly he was defeated.

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Personally, I think this would have made a much better film and plot than what was done in the 3rd Batman film. I really didn’t see the need to change it or confuse things with fusion bombs and the league of shadows. It would have been much cooler.

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There are too many ridiculous characters in DC for batman to be on top, it's just the way it is. Batman may not be the best, but he may be one of the most human, which is why I like him.

Now...if we were to have a thread on who the most OP character in the DC universe is...that could be a lot of fun.

   
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 xole wrote:
he may be one of the most human


Getting down to meat of it, this is why I believe people fantasize that Batman will always win against any metahuman or alien.

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 Compel wrote:
Batman V Ozymandias would be fun though...

Adrian would win, hands down.

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 Ratius wrote:
More newb questions, couldnt Magneto suck all the iron out of Battys blood?


Yes, he could. He also ripped Apocalypse in half in the AoA storyline, which, while not technically canon (timetravel, replaced universe, became its own universe when fixed, etc etc), didn't give either character an ability they wouldn't normally have. Mags just went full rage-monster. He could wipe out Apocalypse, and he could likely wipe out Batman. Now, with preparation, Batman could likely whip up a suit that would protect him from Magneto's abilities. I also foresee plastic batarangs.

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 Ratius wrote:

I havent read any of the comics but the argument went like this:
Any enemy that Batman potentially faces (adhering to the comic books) he retreats to the Batcave and works out a tactic or strategy or workaround for their ability.
Then defeats them.


Except Bats has been beaten in DC "canon" several times. At least twice by Deathstroke.

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Bane obliterated him. Of course, Bane didn't give him a fair fight either-he attacked after letting loose all of Batman's enemies, Batman was exhausted, and Bane beat the snot out of him. Had Batman been at his peak, I'm sure the fight would have ended differently, even without preparation. Bane is just a douche though. A calculating, nasty douche, and not nearly as dumb as the forgotten movie paints him out to be.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I also foresee plastic batarangs.

They already exist:


EDIT: this should work.

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Scooty, your link isn't working.

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All I really remember/know of the Flash is that silly film with Mark Hamil as the Prankster. Or something. Oh, and the whole Speed Force scene where he beats the crap out of Lex Luthor fused with Brainiac, which was pretty cool.

I also have the issue though with DC characters just being absurdly powerful, but I will always have love for Darkseid.

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