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 Sarouan wrote:
To be honest, only the Grey Knights are truly immune to Chaos corruption. Because they were made that way.

 Sarouan wrote:
Besides, in codex: Grey Knights, the story about the Blood Tide says that only a part of the sisters managed to stay pure.

Ah, but at the same time, it says that the Grey Knights were "needing" their blood ritual to protect against the Bloodtide. If they hadn't had some pious blood on hand...?

And I, for one, think it is far more badass to be immune to intense Chaotic corruption via sheer force of will rather than blood magic.

 Sarouan wrote:

 da001 wrote:

By the way, the GK hasn´t fallen to chaos yet

The seed has already been planted by the Changeling, in fact.

Shush... they can hear us.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Do you see the connection?

It's more about having the components to repel the demonic curse or not, in fact. You know, "virgin's blood", that kind of (evil) thing.

There is some stuff here and there about Grey Knights using Blood rituals, and using the blood of innocents to repel demons. They are really dark. However this proves that they are not completely safe. They need to do a lot of stuff to keep Chaos away from their souls.

 Sarouan wrote:

About the sisters, it's just that in an universe where entire legions of Space Marines, genetically modified super soldiers with an iron will, still fell to Chaos, I don't see why Sisters of Battle would be completely immune to failure just because they are female humans who have faith in the Emperor. Even female Inquisitors can be corrupted, after all - and everyone knows the way Inquisitors are chosen is even harsher than the way sisters are raised.

Space Marines are easily prey to Chaos because of their pride. Sometimes I think they were purposefully created this way. There is a really good quote in Daemonblood, a short story by Ben Counter, that illustrates this.
Guess who fell.

On the other side, Sisters are protected by the Emperor, or by their faith in the Emperor, or something. Opinions differ, but there is something that protects them. There is a ritual in Terra all of them must perform to become Sisters. I always thought that was the key.

They are not immue to falling but its very hard for them to be corrupted since well their minds are pretty infertile. Their sheer belief and indoctrination is that strong.

Plus it does not matter anyway khorne just enjoys watching these girls go. Plus slaanesh enjoys how they burn/purge heretics in many ways. Even if its very hard to make them fall to chaos they still fuel it anyway, I remember the time when you beat the tau in warhammer soulstorm the cannoness offered up the ethereal skull to the emperor and then I facepalmed.

 da001 wrote:

On the other side, Sisters are protected by the Emperor, or by their faith in the Emperor, or something. Opinions differ, but there is something that protects them. There is a ritual in Terra all of them must perform to become Sisters. I always thought that was the key.

Priests of the Ecclesiarchy are also protected by the Emperor, or their faith in Him, or something. It didn't stop some of them to actually rebel against the Imperium, or worse. Age of Apostasy, anyone?

Oh, sure, Adepta Sororitas was created after this. Still, their ancestors fought for the wrong man for a while. And they did really bad things.

Beside, if Sisters of Battle were completely immuned to corruption (and thus failure), there wouldn't be anything like Repentia sisters or Penitent Engines (no, that's not just for male priests)...

That's why I don't buy the whole "Saint Celestine purity alike with no exception". That would be just dull, to be honest; what makes a hero interesting is that he can fail. Perfect heroes all the time are boring; if he can succeed without any doubt, why even bother to tell his story?

Sarouan wrote:It's more about having the components to repel the demonic curse or not, in fact. You know, "virgin's blood", that kind of (evil) thing.

Certainly - but that means the GK's protection, even if it would be infallible, would not be an inherent thing.

What would they have done if there would've been no Sisters on that world to sacrifice? It would mean not having access to this component you are speaking of, and thus ... corruption?

Sarouan wrote:That doesn't mean Tau can't be misleaded or tricked. Sure, their "soul" would be useless, but Chaos doesn't need that. It just needs puppets to fulfill its purposes.

Absolutely. Just saying that Tau, at least in GW's version of 40k, are somewhat protected by essentially "being missed" by the daemonic forces.
Can't whisper into their dreams (provided they do dream) if you can't locate their "soul-light".

Sarouan wrote:About the sisters, it's just that in an universe where entire legions of Space Marines, genetically modified super soldiers with an iron will, still fell to Chaos, I don't see why Sisters of Battle would be completely immune to failure just because they are female humans who have faith in the Emperor.

That's because unlike the Space Marines, whose recruits have a perfectly normal life until being recruited at the age of ~10, and whose Chapters are afflicted by local culture, and whose genetic purity is at best questionable in a worryingly high number of Chapters, the Sisters of Battle are raised in the Schola Progenium from infancy, deeply indoctrinated by the Ecclesiarchy's Drill-Abbots, before being trained as novices by the Sisters Famulous who have personnel specialised in teaching young children proper values, before they finally end up in the isolated convents of a penitent organisation penitent organisation where constant hardship, deprivation and arduous work are part of an unrelenting devotional regime, and where the slightest deprivation from approved stricture can invite the harshest punishments, up to and including transfer into the Repentia. If there really are some who are at risk of "not making the cut" even with the painful, cleansing ministrations of their mistresses, they would seem to have a rather high chance at martyrdom with an Eviscerator in their hands before they fall.

In short, whereas the Space Marines remember their roots, where they have pride and arrogance, where they focus entirely on war and heritage, what shields the Sororitas is their fanatical religious conviction that there is a higher power protecting them, and that they serve a greater, a divine purpose, by doing a god's work rather than just some great man's.
In the case of the Sisters of Battle, ignorance really is a blessing.

I usually refrain from pointing to Black Library, but I found this excerpt from Ben Counter's short story "Daemonblood" to be a perfect illustration of where I think the difference lies, and how it affects them:

"What curiously small creatures you are to present such a thorn in my side." The words roared and rumbled through the air, thick with dark amusement. "What little bundles of ignorant flesh. I am Parmenides, called the Vile, chosen Prince of Nurgle. I am the virus which the Plague God sends to infect your mortal worlds. I am the festering in your wounded empire. Do creatures as insignificant as yourselves have names too, I wonder?"
"Sergeant Castus of the Ultramarines, Second Company", the Marine replied in a defiant voice, as if he were trying to impress the daemon prince.
The horrific gaze turned to Aescarion, questioning.
"I would not give you my name, though it cost my soul", the Battle Sister snarled, and she gripped her axe tighter.
"Such a shame", Parmenides replied. "But the girl I can understand. Her mind is most infertile. What has she ever questioned? They teach her and she believes."

In a way, due to their cloistered life (even more cloistered than the already monastic warrior monks of the Adeptus Astartes, by way of their childhoods), they are even more brainwashed - and perhaps this is why they have "the blood of innocents", as the GK Codex puts it.

Sarouan wrote:Even female Inquisitors can be corrupted, after all - and everyone knows the way Inquisitors are chosen is even harsher than the way sisters are raised.

Really? I kind of doubt that, given that the Sororitas believe that "the purpose of life is to suffer"...

You have some Inquisitors that are recruited out of the Black Ships, but that is neither all of them, nor does this mean they didn't have a normal childhood (until they were found out anyways).

Then you have others that grew up in the Schola Progenium - which happens to be the same place that potential novices for the Adepta Sororitas grow up in, just that Sisters have to add a 5-year novitiate in the "tender" care of the Orders Famulous on top of that, and that unlike with Inquisitors, we were told that a progena would have to grow up in the Schola "from birth" to be eligible for the Sisterhood.

Most Inquisitors, though, seem to be made out of the ranks of Acolytes that senior Inquisitors recruit into their cadre, and those can come from any vocation - as long as they have useful talents and display suitable loyalty to the cause. The 3E Witch Hunter Codex had some fluff about that.

Sarouan wrote:Yeah, corrupted sisters are interesting. Because that means there is an unusal story behind, explaining why they failed and got corrupted...

Agreed. Which is why I much prefer the idea of them being one-offs rather than groups.

Sarouan wrote:Priests of the Ecclesiarchy are also protected by the Emperor, or their faith in Him, or something. It didn't stop some of them to actually rebel against the Imperium, or worse. Age of Apostasy, anyone?

Well, technically, priests don't grow up like Sisters do, and neither do they live in similarly prohibitive/"extreme" environments.

And Goge Vandire was no priest, he was a High Lord of the Administratum who ursurped the title after he killed the real Ecclesiarch.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Interstingly, IIRC, the current Sisters codex has a detachment of Sororitas going down to a planet that has been submerged for hudreds of years, several of the Holy sites are still intact and protected.....................

Only a few of them, actually, the “Reliquary of Hope” being the only one mentionned. On an ex Shrine world turned Daemon world.

 da001 wrote:
I just google "Sisters of Khorne" and so on. There is some stuff going on for all of them. Mostly for Khorne.

Oh, it's true. I never thought to try that, actually. It's just that every time I saw someone planing to do Chaos Sisters, it was always Slaaneshi Sisters.
I found some Tzeentch Sister model, and some Khornate Sister model (which for some reason, decided to have holes in her armor just where her boobs are. Go figure…). And some story about a Nurglate Sister, which started ok, until… wait, what, she is removing her armor to give this wounded guardsman STD ? What the feth am I reading ? Oh, yeah, 1d4chan, let's get out of here !

The Tzeentch model was very cool though.

 da001 wrote:
Oh, and Slaanesh is not really about sex, it is about excess and the search of perfection.

That's why I spoke of them not being hedonistic artists. Unlike Fulgrim, at least for the artist part, IIRC.
But the reason why people want to do Slaaneshi Sisters is really not that hard to guess, is it ?

shinros wrote:
They are not immue to falling but its very hard for them to be corrupted since well their minds are pretty infertile. Their sheer belief and indoctrination is that strong.

Plus it does not matter anyway khorne just enjoys watching these girls go. Plus slaanesh enjoys how they burn/purge heretics in many ways. Even if its very hard to make them fall to chaos they still fuel it anyway, I remember the time when you beat the tau in warhammer soulstorm the cannoness offered up the ethereal skull to the emperor and then I facepalmed.

I remember that part too. Other imperial forces enjoy doing things like that. For instance, the White Scars used to collect skulls and self-mutilate themselves (thus the scars).
In the background, the Ecclesiarchy does not care much about specifics. You can sacrifice children to the Serpent-God Glycon as long as you accept that Glycon is part of the Emperor. And if you worship the Emperor and pay your tithes you are a perfect citizen.

However, the "infertile mind, sheer belief and indoctrination" does not protect from Chaos. Most Space Marines blindly follow orders and are heavily indoctrinated (or brainwashed), they lack critical emotions like fear, and yet they fall all the time.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 da001 wrote:
I just google "Sisters of Khorne" and so on. There is some stuff going on for all of them. Mostly for Khorne.

Oh, it's true. I never thought to try that, actually. It's just that every time I saw someone planing to do Chaos Sisters, it was always Slaaneshi Sisters.
I found some Tzeentch Sister model, and some Khornate Sister model (which for some reason, decided to have holes in her armor just where her boobs are. Go figure…). And some story about a Nurglate Sister, which started ok, until… wait, what, she is removing her armor to give this wounded guardsman STD ? What the feth am I reading ? Oh, yeah, 1d4chan, let's get out of here !

The Tzeentch model was very cool though.

Yeah I was reading that story right now!

 da001 wrote:
Oh, and Slaanesh is not really about sex, it is about excess and the search of perfection.

That's why I spoke of them not being hedonistic artists. Unlike Fulgrim, at least for the artist part, IIRC.
But the reason why people want to do Slaaneshi Sisters is really not that hard to guess, is it ?

At the cost of sounding hypocritical, I do not think so. If Slaanesh were just that, I will not like it (her /him /whatever). And I think anyone with the will to do a proper conversion will probably agree.

Same goes for the rest. If Khorne was "the god of angry, really angry", nobody will like it. As the "god of war" depicted in the old background, he has many followers.

It is like saying that the Sisters are "Nuns with Guns".

da001 wrote:However, the "infertile mind, sheer belief and indoctrination" does not protect from Chaos. Most Space Marines blindly follow orders and are heavily indoctrinated (or brainwashed), they lack critical emotions like fear, and yet they fall all the time.

They would not be Chaos Marines if they had not fallen prey to their own pride and arrogance - or the corruption of their leaders. And Primarchs really were not indoctrinated in any way, which - in combination with their troops' adoration for them - makes them a prime risk for dragging others down.

 da001 wrote:
However, the "infertile mind, sheer belief and indoctrination" does not protect from Chaos. Most Space Marines blindly follow orders and are heavily indoctrinated (or brainwashed), they lack critical emotions like fear, and yet they fall all the time.

In a space marine chapter, ambitious members get promotions. In a sisters of battle order, the humble (and of course competent, they are not that stupid) member are forced to accept promotion as a penance. Makes a world of difference.

 da001 wrote:
At the cost of sounding hypocritical, I do not think so.

Maybe not all of them, just 99,99% of them.

 da001 wrote:
If Slaanesh were just that, I will not like it (her /him /whatever).

Well, that's very good. But doesn't prevent the fact that there is a lot of immature people who sees Slaanesh as the god of sex, and sisters as sexual (because women ), and hence want to do Slaaneshi sisters.

Hence as I said Lynata their minds are infertifle just like it was said in the daemonblood short story.

They are heavily indoctrinated personally I still wonder how Miriael Sabathiel fell in the first place they don't explain in the short story.

Plus the fact that she corrupted a bounty hunter chasing her with ease wonder how she did that reading the short story it was like he was now her pet. Considering what sisters do to themselves and to people they consider heretics. I would rather meet a khorne sister than a slaanesh one. As a fan of slaanesh I do agree that its sad when most people think slaanesh is only sex heck the sex aspect of slaanesh is like only the third ring of his/her plane I highly doubt that slaanesh will even shift slightly to followers who only try to win favor through that aspect.

Slaanesh likes people who can corrupt others(this is the thing he/she likes the most considering slaanesh whole plane is about trying to corrupt people and after reading the liber chaotica slaanesh, Black crusade and tome of excess this is the case), who are uber amazing at the art they do be it painting, war, music or food.

More than anything sex is like the first step to clutch people and after wards they would be pretty desensitized to sex pretty quickly I bet all the slaanesh champions most likely see it as a tool to corrupt others when trying to win favor I don't even think sex cross their minds its corrupting others they are more interested in.

I am reading Miriael wiki page and she has also corrupted some Sisters of Battle from the Order of the Argent Shroud here is the extract from the wiki. A full mission of sisters of battle of the Order of the Argent shroud vowed on Ophelia VII to capture Miriael. All of them swore themselves to Slaanesh after being overwhelmed by the unholy will of Sabathiel. When did this happen? How did she do this? Well anyway she has a badass tongue that can bite people slaanesh has awesome mutations.

I don't think anyone on this forum would want to meet a uncorrupted Sister -(never mind one who was the pawn of dark gods) - they would burn us alive if we were lucky......

If she was "blessed" by Slaanesh (or even possessed by one of its Daemons) she may well have inhuman powers of persuasion.......................someone on the fourm did once talk about Slaaensh being eternal hunger for perfection - something that can never be achieved or satisfied - no matter how well you do something.

Sex is certainly something for Slaaesh followers to experience - especially Astartes as at least at first its new and different - drugs they already do and violence is aprt of their life. But like eveything else it will quickly pale as they become jaded................

There will be politics in the Sororitas - it may just take different forms.............

True reading the black crusade rulebook and tome of excess slaanesh has some crazy skills when it comes to interaction. One time in a group a slaanesh cultist charmed another player and they rolled opposed interaction tests.

The slaanesh cultist destroyed the other player in terms of bonuses.

Well reading the short story she is not possessed but corrupted by a slaanesh daemon/prince. Since she mentions the name in the short story, man that daemon prince has crazy corruption skills.

Well Kharn was almost corrupted to slaanesh worship he lost quite a lot of his warriors to the whispers of the slaanesh cultist/daemon.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I don't think anyone on this forum would want to meet a uncorrupted Sister -(never mind one who was the pawn of dark gods) - they would burn us alive if we were lucky......

Nah, I will just hold them back with… the power of lip-service and being a closet atheist !
Just quote Sebastian Thor in the right context and you'll be fine !

Personally I feel she needs a book I am quite interested in her back story after reading the invitation.

If you don't want upset the kanon purists, they could be a chaos versions of the sisters of battle, like created on a demon world by a demon prince as a pet project.

shinros wrote:

Well reading the short story she is not possessed but corrupted by a slaanesh daemon/prince. Since she mentions the name in the short story, man that daemon prince has crazy corruption skills.

Not sure you could read it either way - you can have daemon/s in there with you exercising partial or total control. She might even be dead and the corpse animated - Chaos can do loads of things to feth with people....................It may be in the daemons interest to make everyone think that she is still herself.....

Or its exactly what is seems - corrupted Sister.......

its really the readers choice I think as its unlikely we will ever get anything more about her? Unless anyone has written any decent fan ficiton about her?

 Sarouan wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:


Also, those 'Sisters of Khorne', and basically any Sister of Chaos seems to be scantilly-clad and shaped like the current beauty ideal.

That's not really specific to Chaos Sisters, in fact. All "evil females" game models are generally showing more flesh than they should with lot of leather and pointy things.

It's purely hormonal, I believe.

Gw's own Valkia disagrees

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
If you don't want upset the kanon purists, they could be a chaos versions of the sisters of battle, like created on a demon world by a demon prince as a pet project.

That's exactly how I'd be tempted to do it if I were going for it, but knowing how I am for completing projects it'll never happen. My general excuse is the whole 'army' is a black crusade, therefore it covers everything you could imagine chaos bringing to the field allowing me a never ending project to play with (and lot's of excuses for shiny new things). I was considering slaanesh sisters too I can't deny it but that is purely based on miriael as she's the one of the few bits of 'official' lore but it does present a problem with people making poorly understood assumptions as the thread has already shown.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:But doesn't prevent the fact that there is a lot of immature people who sees Slaanesh as the god of sex, and sisters as sexual (because women), and hence want to do Slaaneshi sisters.

The "nunsploitation" bit is probably a huge factor and problem in the fandom, especially considering that the 40k fandom - unfortunately including dakka, if one were to look at certain debates on this forum - does not exactly come off as an enlightened community concerning gender issues.
Yet at the same time I feel it would also be wrong to deny this facet entirely just because the fans are taking it to the extreme. Indeed, looking at the army and its background, I have to say that in my eyes, Slaanesh does fit best, simply because it can possibly turn one of their strengths into a weakness.

Their violence is too focused for Khorne. They are too obsessed about purity for Nurgle. And they are too structured and altruistic for Tzeentch. Now, what's left? The excess of Slaanesh's many pleasures, with which they have zero experience at all. They just avoid them entirely, which makes them all the more dangerous once exposure actually happens. This exposure would be a rare occurrence as they actively shield and isolate themselves from it due to their lifestyle, but there are some rather obvious cracks in this armour when you think about it, for the Sisters' lifestyle is a kind of extreme in its own right, from the acceptance they seek from their leaders to their flagellantism in the pursuit of self-cleansing. I imagine it is held in check by the convents' rigid system of mutual control and voluntary confession, though.
More dangerous, however, would be exposure when they are away from the convent and on their own, their Order's isolation no longer shielding them from the outside world. It does make me wonder how the Sisters Sabine cope with the effects of "going native" in the pursuit of their duties as infiltrators...
It is the Order and the sheltered life that makes a Sister focus her faith into a shield that armours her soul. Take her out of the Order and you compromise her.

Anyways, as you can see, I'm kind of split on the issue - on the one hand I do not wish to see the Sororitas reduced to some of the smut you see on 1d4chan, but at the same time I believe that denying the validity of Slaanesh as a conduit would be a kind of "reverse-sexism", similar to saying that CSM shouldn't follow Khorne because fighting is so manly. Let's just forget about gender entirely and look at what these organisations stand for and how they live. That the connection of Sisters + Slaanesh opens a rather obvious door for fanservice is coincidence, nothing more.

shinros wrote:They are heavily indoctrinated personally I still wonder how Miriael Sabathiel fell in the first place they don't explain in the short story.

She's a Champion of Slaanesh and mentions a Daemon Prince as her boss, and we know that she was a prisoner of the Emperor's Children for some time.
My own guess is she broke under a combination of physical and psychic torture, but that is of course just speculation.

shinros wrote:Plus the fact that she corrupted a bounty hunter chasing her with ease wonder how she did that reading the short story it was like he was now her pet.

She wounded him with her daemonic blade - he actually appears to be dying as the Canoness spots him, if you notice her description of him. As his life slips away, Miriael affords him comfort, and finally healing.
Maybe her blade did something to him, or maybe it was just because people act differently when they are dying. Perhaps there is an opening in resolve that can be exploited?

I also found this line remarkable:

"Daemon princes sing, and my blood quickens. Soon, yours will quicken too."

Miriael seems to be a skilled corruptor, which makes her a dangerous warlord. In the TCG, there was a special card just for that - "Sabathiel's Corruption", played to infiltrate other units.

shinros wrote:Considering what sisters do to themselves and to people they consider heretics. I would rather meet a khorne sister than a slaanesh one.

It'd probably be over a lot quicker, yeah.

shinros wrote:I am reading Miriael wiki page and she has also corrupted some Sisters of Battle from the Order of the Argent Shroud here is the extract from the wiki. A full mission of sisters of battle of the Order of the Argent shroud vowed on Ophelia VII to capture Miriael. All of them swore themselves to Slaanesh after being overwhelmed by the unholy will of Sabathiel. When did this happen? How did she do this?

This bit would actually seem to be fan-fiction. Her only presence, at least as far as I'm aware (and believe me I spent a lot of time searching), in officially licensed material are the Dark Millennium TCG and the accompanying short story by Dan Abnett.

Which is a bit unfortunate, come to think of it - I'd really love to read more about her. A Fallen Sororitas who happens to be a Chaos Champion with a cursed blade and her own battleship, a bodyguard of CSM Terminators and Daemonettes, and an army of cultists to unleash upon the worlds of the Pyrus Reach? That's just badass.

shinros wrote:Well anyway she has a badass tongue that can bite people slaanesh has awesome mutations.

Point.

Man her card sounds awesome that does truly show her skill with corrupting people. I can see your point all the other gods they can deal with but slaanesh is a giant question mark to them since their whole life is about penance and denial.

In the tome of excess in black crusade and some parts of liber chaotica it says that slaanesh normally targets the pure and the churches considering their life style.

Thats why I love slaanesh so much since slaanesh is about corruption of the pure. Reading your post slaanesh sisters make a lot of sense compared to the gods now that I think about it.

In various rpg background I love the characters that are good at corrupting people hence slaanesh became my favorite god straight away, its still sad that slaanesh is the least popular of the 4 it does not help that in fluff he/she normally gets shafted in terms of books and games. Reading fulgrim was awesome.

 Lynata wrote:
Their violence is too focused for Khorne.

Hum, what ?

 Lynata wrote:
They are too obsessed about purity for Nurgle.

Nurgle never advertise with “Become a bloated horrible monster”, and as far as I know, most of it's follower either don't know what to expect beforehand or are already sick and bloated and everything before they accept Nugle's patronage to be delivered from it.

 Lynata wrote:
Anyways, as you can see, I'm kind of split on the issue - on the one hand I do not wish to see the Sororitas reduced to some of the smut you see on 1d4chan, but at the same time I believe that denying the validity of Slaanesh as a conduit would be a kind of "reverse-sexism", similar to saying that CSM shouldn't follow Khorne because fighting is so manly.

Answer is simple, make some Slaneeshi sisters that are as much about sex as the noise marines are. You can make them high on drug and noise music, and obsessed with religious art or something.

shinros wrote:Man her card sounds awesome that does truly show her skill with corrupting people

Some examples from her set:

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Hum, what ?

They don't kill for pleasure, they don't experience a thrill. They are driven by a rather focused hatred targeting a specific group of people - those deemed impure - whilst at the same time protecting others and believing in a firm set of divine ideals justifying, even demanding their actions as a means of indebted service to their god. Most of all, they are a military organisation with an extreme sense of discipline, structured into small "family units" of squads with a tighter, maternal sense of cohesion missing from the Astartes.

Really, I think the only chance Khorne would have would be to prey on their anger, but as often as it may flare up in direct confrontation, it simply doesn't persist long enough, as they pray and meditate way too much to become unsettled by their emotions. In short, they prize their calm demeanour, and as much as outbursts of fury are welcomed as a sign of holy zeal, as little do the Sororitas have patience for loose cannons who have trouble following orders.

Because that's a paddlin'.

With the neuro-whip.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Nurgle never advertise with “Become a bloated horrible monster”, and as far as I know, most of it's follower either don't know what to expect beforehand or are already sick and bloated and everything before they accept Nugle's patronage to be delivered from it.

That's the thing - Sisters don't get sick and bloated in the first place. They live in a cleaner and more controlled environment free from the pollution of the underhives or the unwashed masses of the people, and they have access to the skills of the Orders Hospitaller, who undoubtedly number amongst the Imperium's most skilled healers. And even if a supernatural illness would somehow overcome their willpower-based defenses, then the rest of the convent would soon discover this and take appropriate measures. She'd be put out of her misery before she'd have a chance to fall.

An interesting example might be the story of Rosetta Anastasia from GW's Inquisitor RPG - the only Battle Sister of her convent who fell prey to the Zombie Plague ravaging the Hive world of Subiaco Diablo, but she managed to cleanse herself:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071218114030/http://es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/repentia.html

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Answer is simple, make some Slaneeshi sisters that are as much about sex as the noise marines are. You can make them high on drug and noise music, and obsessed with religious art or something.

Rather non-religious art, considering that they're surrounded by the ever-same style of expensive religious art all their life. Garish, aggressive colours, chaotic graffiti expressing a free spirit, that sort of thing.
Or perfection in martial arts.
Even fashion. Long, colourful hair as opposed to regulation bobcut?
Drugs are a good option, too. Hell, it could even just be sugar, or more exotic food in general. Gluttony instead of fasting!

Still, I wouldn't leave sex out entirely just because they're women. That is just as wrong as focusing entirely on it.

 Sarouan wrote:

Priests of the Ecclesiarchy are also protected by the Emperor, or their faith in Him, or something. It didn't stop some of them to actually rebel against the Imperium, or worse. Age of Apostasy, anyone?

Vandire didn´t rebel against the Imperium. He was the Imperium. Heretics and rebels rebelled against him.
I was concerned about GW retconning this and changing Vandire into a Chaos puppet. But they didn´t. He was a High Lord of Terra. A tyrant, but not corrupted by Chaos. That´s good. It adds depth and diversity to the background.

Beside, if Sisters of Battle were completely immuned to corruption (and thus failure), there wouldn't be anything like Repentia sisters or Penitent Engines (no, that's not just for male priests)...

Corruption does not equal failure. Punishment for the slightest mistake does not mean worshipping the Dark Gods.

That's why I don't buy the whole "Saint Celestine purity alike with no exception". That would be just dull, to be honest; what makes a hero interesting is that he can fail. Perfect heroes all the time are boring; if he can succeed without any doubt, why even bother to tell his story?

Agreed. That´s why bolter porn is so boring. That´s why so many people like to talk about Sisters and Grey Knights falling to Chaos.
But then again, they are (at best) extremely hard to corrupt. Thousands of Space Marines (and countless millions of imperial citizens) will fall before a single Sister or Grey Knight does. (off-topic note: what about the Forces of Order, the Adeptus Arbites?).

If GW ever publishes a story about a Sister being corrupted, I will like to see a Miriael Sabathiel story, or something similar. Not a footnote on a "Codex: More Space Marines" about a full Preceptory falling to Slaanesh and being wiped out by a company of marines. That would be a sad day.


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 Lynata wrote:


Their violence is too focused for Khorne. They are too obsessed about purity for Nurgle. And they are too structured and altruistic for Tzeentch. Now, what's left? The excess of Slaanesh's many pleasures, with which they have zero experience at all. They just avoid them entirely, which makes them all the more dangerous once exposure actually happens.

If we are going to talk about sisters falling, I do not see why limit us to Slaanesh.

Khorne: a single Sister who sees her life as a constant war, an endless stream of violence.

Tzeentch: someone from one of the Order Famulous. Seriously... "the Order of the Key", "the Order of the Gate"... even their names sounds tzeentchy.

Nurgle: he is the corrupter by default. A disgusting sickness, unbearable pain, despair... In the background, most souls go to the warp after death. Some souls are valuable to Khorne, others to Slaanesh, others to Tzeentch, but Nurgle loves them all.

Just because you catch one of Nurgle's diseases (which are all of them) does not mean you have become a willing worshiper of the Plague God.

In all likelihood, a Sister who knows she has been infected by one of these plagues will, upon learning that there is no cure, simply swallow her boltpistol or, even more likely, have her Sisters turn their meltas and flamers upon her, so that Nurgle cannot even use her corpse.

 Psienesis wrote:
Just because you catch one of Nurgle's diseases (which are all of them) does not mean you have become a willing worshiper of the Plague God.

In all likelihood, a Sister who knows she has been infected by one of these plagues will, upon learning that there is no cure, simply swallow her boltpistol or, even more likely, have her Sisters turn their meltas and flamers upon her, so that Nurgle cannot even use her corpse.

Honestly that's what I see them doing if they ever got one of nurgles diseases, the more I think about it the more I agree with Lynata slaanesh makes the most sense she/he would know the buttons to press or what cracks there are in the sisters armor. I mean desire and excess is pretty broad and corruption is slaanesh's and his/her champions forte.

The fact that they are in constant prayer I think prevents khorne from getting a good grip now if they were constantly battling yeah I could see it. Tzeentch I think Lynata explained it well I don't think I will ever see a sister fall to tzeentch.

Oh and her cards seem really overpowered just sayin.

 Lynata wrote:
They don't kill for pleasure, they don't experience a thrill. They are driven by a rather focused hatred

Well, Khorne don't feed on hatred too ?

 Lynata wrote:
That's the thing - Sisters don't get sick and bloated in the first place.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Marines get sick all the time because they have a deficient immunity system and live in the thrash while feeding on rotting meat, while sisters always sanitize their hands before taking their bolters, and don't ever inhale too much promotheum vapor .
Sorry about the sarcastic tone, but the image was just too funny in my head . Remember how Mortarion was resistant to it's natal world diseases. If even that guy can fall sick because of Nurgle, Sisters can too.

 Lynata wrote:
Rather non-religious art, considering that they're surrounded by the ever-same style of expensive religious art all their life.

Well, it's precisely because they are surrounded by it that they can become obsessed with it !

 Lynata wrote:
Even fashion. Long, colourful hair as opposed to regulation bobcut?

The bobcut is AFAIK not official canon, just what the models have. Celestine don't have it.

 Lynata wrote:
Still, I wouldn't leave sex out entirely just because they're women.

Let me think of any GW-canon slaaneshi marine who is explicitly linked to sex in any way. Oh, can't think of one. No Doom rider, no Lucius the Eternal, … There are the slaaneshi daemon seducing by using among other stuff sex appeal, there is the very very basic seductress (find guy, seduce him via magic, feth him, and BANG ! Slaanesh. I kid you not !) from Ciaphas Cain, but I can't name one marine doing it. Well, you can still include sex if you want, though.

You're forgetting that 40K is now written for young teens, and thus amps up the violence while fleeing from any mention of sexuality.

Go back to the Realms of Chaos books, where it is stated that the Slaaneshiite's lusts lead their forces into committing acts of "lewd depravity" as they form up for battle, which were apparently so perverse, so filled with "prancing fopperies" as to actually offend the Blood God and cause hatred between Khornate units and Slaaneshi units... you could not, in those days, ally the forces of these two gods (nor could you do Tzeentch/Nurgle armies).

Slaanesh is the God of Vice and Perversion, in any form such things may take. Sex definitely figures quite heavily into Slaaneshi worship services (look how she got created, after all), as does drug use, intoxicants, and other hedonistic pleasures. Striving for perfection is an aspect of this, simply because that will lead to greater and greater acts to achieve it (if you look at a Slaaneshi body-builder, at first it's just weights, then its a change of diet and protein shakes, then it's steroids, then it's replacing the natural muscles of your body with synthetic plastics, and then it's replacing your limbs with these Warp-born bundles of corded muscle and glittering, multi-hued flesh.... and now it is eating from the dead purity of their "essence"... and now it is taking the purity of the essence of the living... you will not deny anything, man, woman, child or beast, your company, slave, nor will you allow them to deny you.... their essence.)

 Psienesis wrote:
Just because you catch one of Nurgle's diseases (which are all of them) does not mean you have become a willing worshiper of the Plague God.

In regards to Sisters, some studio material from GW's Inquisitor game has them being outright immune to Nurgle's Plague of Unbelief, in fact. Though one does get somewhat affected by it, she eventually overcomes it and recovers.

web.archive.org/web/20071218114030/http://es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/repentia.html

(Apologies if this was posted earlier and I missed it, but it is a nice example of the Sisters vs. Nurglite corruption)

Who cares what everyone else says or thinks? Including the fluff. Go for it

If I played "corrupted sisters" I would have them fall to the C'tan having been seduced with some sort of super tech to fight their Chaos foes. Or the Nightbringer might be able to permanently corrupt them... just a little bit, driving them to excesses of hatred.

- J