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That's hilarious, fluffy, and very very silly. Bit mean, but you're not doing it to go for the win, you're doing something interesting and thematic. Gorn is a solid stand-in for a Nausicaan

I think mean would be a combination of a Borg Ship with the Borg Tractor beam plus Romulan Science Vesssels with Muon Feedback Waves. Tractor Beaming Klingon fleets will take down all but the named or flagshipped Klingon's shields (no cloaking that turn) plus hull damage from the Muon would make them easy pickin's for the BCT. Of course setting all of that up is almost impossible as your opponent would stay clear of your RSV's and Sphere during setup. I think that's the potential issue with your fleet too. If your opponent has all Captain Skill = 1 then they are likely to move first so you can't get them with the EMP. If they have higher Captain Skills then they just place their ships away from yours.

You can't use muon feedback against other players in Collective OP2 &3. The rules say you CAN NOT do anything to the other player that would damage their hull or shields. We are also playing faction pure fleets, so no borg romulan alliance. The only ship that can be a different faction is the blind pack.

oh right. Nevermind.

I still think you may have an issue with your opponent placing away from your ships.

Just you talking about this, MrSBaldrick, has got me thinking about a pure Breen version (scampers off, cackling wildly)...

csimian wrote:
oh right. Nevermind.

I still think you may have an issue with your opponent placing away from your ships.

You are right. I may trick the first opponent, but after that people avoid me. The EM Pulse has range 1-2 so I should be able to hit a ship or 2. If I set up in the middle and they try to avoid me they risk being out of range to hit the cube. Though it could be fun to hunt down people just to give them aux tokens




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 inmygravenimage wrote:
Just you talking about this, MrSBaldrick, has got me thinking about a pure Breen version (scampers off, cackling wildly)...

Yeah I have two OP2s coming up and I don't see a need for another Raven so why not have fun with them. I am also thinking of running a Romulan swarm or letting my Kazon have some fun. Poor Kazon never see OP time However those 2 lists can't mess with the opponent very well. Seska could be fun though.


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I love the idea of all Breen. I have played them a few times casually, but never in an OP. They could do well in OP3.

Further to that, I think the way to go might be with a Rav with dissipator and ion thrusters, and a loaded torpedo boat/flagship(K-Ind) Gor. Both dissipate to make targets of enemy ships, Rav dodges about, Gor lays a bit of damage (any works in your favour). That's the theory.
For 3, I wonder if a similar strategy but replacing the Gor Portas with a cloaking, dorsal keldon could work.

The bigges problem I see is after the first fewmrounds the ED won't do much against the cube. IIRC it gets 2 evade dice for each stack of damage cards. The ED only gets 3 shots unless you have a way to boost it. Once the cube gets 4-6 evade dice it will be tough to get any use out of the ED.

Agreed, hence the gunboat. I'm willing to roll with the ed losing utility as it'll have done it's job by then. Tbh I don't think I'd use the breen on two consecutive ops because it'd be spotted a mile of and dull to play.

Played in our Arena OP yesterday and took second place with the following

Valdore - Romulan Commander
Gal Gath'Thong - Toreth - Plasma Torpedoes
Praetus - Jarok - Additional Weapons Array
Science ship - Donatra

Fought 2 Borg lists and a Federation list. Won all 3 captain's battles. Destroyed the Federation fleet. Ran and hid from the first Borg fleet (Cube & Sphere) after I destroyed the Sphere. The surviving science ship won me that game.

However I was creamed by the lone Cube, which won the tournament. Nobody could touch it. Only afterwards did we realise that Feedback Pulse is unique but he ran two! Along with double ablative armour and a flagship it was just no fun to play against

The Borg are ruining this game

 emperorpenguin wrote:


The Borg are ruining this game

Yes, yes they are. However it seems like very few want to do anything about it.

Did your TO disqualify the guy with an illegal build?

No I only discovered and reported it this morning. One other fleet had two transphasics on a single weapon slot, and another chose their build upon turning up an hour late and seeing what everyone else was using.

The thing had 27 hit points which it could repair as well as do a feedback pulse (or 2!) and still chucks 9 dice of attacks each turn

I can see everyone using nothing but Borg soon

Well, I'm attempting to get Borg BANNED at our OP events, and the only way they'll listen to me, is to abuse their brokenness myself.

I need help for a borg build for Collective OP2. Ideally, would like to run a Tac Cube, but Double sphere would work too.

Unfortunately, WizKids are notorious for terrible, terrible power creep.

Can anyone help me out with a double sphere list?

Has to be faction pure, can use flagship!

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Can anyone help me out with a double sphere list?

Has to be faction pure, can use flagship!

You may want to hold off until OP3. OP2 is all about seeing who can dish out the most damage. You cannot do anything to your opponent's shields or hull. The most ships you can fit in a borg list for 90 points is a shpere and a cube or double spheres and they will be stripped down. An all Klingon fleet can pump out more shots per turn.


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Woo, those magnificent Ferengi I played my Ferengi for a faction pure OP today. I was really only going for the blind ship, which I got another B'Moth , anyway amazingly I came in 2nd with 2 wins and 1 loss. The basic game plan was go slow, hang back and let the other guy get shot up first. EM Pulse the other guy to mess with his stuff. Then just keep moving back and 4th and target locking. Simple

Game 1, Win




I was actually the last ship on the table





Game 3, win





I forgot to take pics of game 2, but the Klingon fleet with the Yeager was the what I lost to. The other is a an all independent fleet, there is a flagship on the Akorhem.




The store only had one Raven to give out, which was ok with me because I already have one. They told me I could pick from any ship, including left over prize ships. So now I have a 3rd Gorn ship for TOS games

Actually, I was reading an OP event where a double sphere list won, basically because they used their incredible movement, and stayed out of the cube token's firing range, they'd sit there and strafe it at range 3 while everyone else has to get closer at some point.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Actually, I was reading an OP event where a double sphere list won, basically because they used their incredible movement, and stayed out of the cube token's firing range, they'd sit there and strafe it at range 3 while everyone else has to get closer at some point.

I have read few where the borg have won, but a well done Klingon fleet can pump out more shots a turn. If you really want to go borg try:

38 Shpere
10 independent flagship (Battle stations)
03 Tac Drone

38 Sphere
89 Total.

Just fly back and forth at range 3. One shpere does battle stations every turn and has 4 turns of rerolls. The other just does target lock. That is 13 attacks a turn, potential for 17 points a turn if eack sphere gets at least 1 crit and the coordinated attack bonus, plus whatnever your blind does.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Actually, I was reading an OP event where a double sphere list won, basically because they used their incredible movement, and stayed out of the cube token's firing range, they'd sit there and strafe it at range 3 while everyone else has to get closer at some point.

I have read few where the borg have won, but a well done Klingon fleet can pump out more shots a turn. If you really want to go borg try:

38 Shpere
10 independent flagship (Battle stations)
03 Tac Drone

38 Sphere
89 Total.

Just fly back and forth at range 3. One shpere does battle stations every turn and has 4 turns of rerolls. The other just does target lock. That is 13 attacks a turn, potential for 17 points a turn if eack sphere gets at least 1 crit and the coordinated attack bonus, plus whatnever your blind does.

Thanks, I'm also trying to build a Klingon list that pumps out attack dice, However, I'm 1 point over... I dunno what to move around.

IKS Ch'Tang 22
Martok (9) - 6

Raptor Class
Somraw Commander

Raptor Class
Gowron

K'Tinga Class (B'Moth)
K'Nera


91.

I don't know what to move around, cause each turn, this should net me 23 attacks each turn.

Dump K'Nera for Worf. Rerolling blanks all the time is better than messing with other peoples crew. Worf is 3 points K'Nera is 4, there is your one point.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Dump K'Nera for Worf. Rerolling blanks all the time is better than messing with other peoples crew. Worf is 3 points K'Nera is 4, there is your one point.

Yeah, but against the BCT(Borg Cube Token) it's a guaranteed +1 attack for ALL my ships against it. 5 attacks is worth more than rerolling 2-3 blanks.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Dump K'Nera for Worf. Rerolling blanks all the time is better than messing with other peoples crew. Worf is 3 points K'Nera is 4, there is your one point.

Yeah, but against the BCT(Borg Cube Token) it's a guaranteed +1 attack for ALL my ships against it. 5 attacks is worth more than rerolling 2-3 blanks.

K'Nera's text only applies to the ship he is on. He doesn't give that bonus to other ships. His text only says +1 "to all attacks made against that ship" only applies if you use something like "Once More Unto the Breach" or "Counter Attack" where you make a second attack. It would have to be worded like Gowron if it applied to other ships. Anything that says "your" or "you" applies to the ship that its on.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Dump K'Nera for Worf. Rerolling blanks all the time is better than messing with other peoples crew. Worf is 3 points K'Nera is 4, there is your one point.

Yeah, but against the BCT(Borg Cube Token) it's a guaranteed +1 attack for ALL my ships against it. 5 attacks is worth more than rerolling 2-3 blanks.

K'Nera's text only applies to the ship he is on. He doesn't give that bonus to other ships. His text only says +1 "to all attacks made against that ship" only applies if you use something like "Once More Unto the Breach" or "Counter Attack" where you make a second attack. It would have to be worded like Gowron if it applied to other ships. Anything that says "your" or "you" applies to the ship that its on.

That's a different answer than the one I got from the community a while back when it came out. Was it FAQ'd?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Dump K'Nera for Worf. Rerolling blanks all the time is better than messing with other peoples crew. Worf is 3 points K'Nera is 4, there is your one point.

Yeah, but against the BCT(Borg Cube Token) it's a guaranteed +1 attack for ALL my ships against it. 5 attacks is worth more than rerolling 2-3 blanks.

K'Nera's text only applies to the ship he is on. He doesn't give that bonus to other ships. His text only says +1 "to all attacks made against that ship" only applies if you use something like "Once More Unto the Breach" or "Counter Attack" where you make a second attack. It would have to be worded like Gowron if it applied to other ships. Anything that says "your" or "you" applies to the ship that its on.

That's a different answer than the one I got from the community a while back when it came out. Was it FAQ'd?

Page 21 of the rule book under Cards Abilities and its the very 1st thing in the FAQ. It has to specifically say other ships for it to apply to other ships. Otherwise "you" & "your" are just the ship its on.

Ah, that makes sense, curious why multiple sources would mislead me then, lol

I'm actually starting to seriously consider taking a solo Voyager for the Borg OP 1 event now.

It's daft, it silly, but for some reason, in normal 100 point games, it seemed to do tremendously well tonight...

Federation Flagship
Picard
Attack Pattern Omega
The Needs Of The Many
B'elanna Torres
Scotty (TOS)
Tom Paris
Hikaru Sulu (Evade)
Transphasic Torpedoes
Quantum Torpedoes
Ablative Generator
Bio-Neural Circuitry.



I don't quite know what I'd do to crop that down to 90 points though. Being able to lock B'elanna inside the warp core for a 'Needs of the Many' seems pretty darn handy. The free battlestations from the Federation Flagship is awesome too (not to mention the extra slots). Any thoughts, folks?

Maybe I should just go with a 'heavily' upgraded voyager, then a second ship, instead of doing every egg in the one basket.

It is a common mistake because the designers refuse to use terms like "his ship" or "her ship" meaning the captain but instead use "your" & "you" meaning the player. It's just bad wording. Just think about it this way,
take captain Worf for instance:

"When attacking, you may reroll all of your blanks one time"

Says nothing about just his ship just "your" as in the player. If it was truly all of "your" ships that got to reroll blanks there wouldn't be a fleet without him , he would be like Picard

A better text would be:
"When Worf attacks, he may reroll all of his blanks one time"

Why they did it the other way I have no idea, it just confuses people, but think of Worf and you'll be ok

Either way, Here's what I flew tonight in OP 2, Walked away with a Raven!

B'Rel Class
Martok (9)

K'Tinga Class (B'Moth generic)
Worf
Klag

D-7 Class
Kurn

D-7 class
Gowron

IKS B'Moth (Blind ship)
K'Nera
Kunivas

120

I just went for the Token in round 3, Moved everyone up, got all my abilities (except Kurn's) off, and proceeded to deal a boatload of damage!

I ended up winning that match and left (only three of us showed up again, Sadface)

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Either way, Here's what I flew tonight in OP 2, Walked away with a Raven!

B'Rel Class
Martok (9)

K'Tinga Class (B'Moth generic)
Worf
Klag

D-7 Class
Kurn

D-7 class
Gowron

IKS B'Moth (Blind ship)
K'Nera
Kunivas

120

I just went for the Token in round 3, Moved everyone up, got all my abilities (except Kurn's) off, and proceeded to deal a boatload of damage!

I ended up winning that match and left (only three of us showed up again, Sadface)

Congrats on the win, Klingons all the way. And a bonus for showing some love to the D7.


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 Compel wrote:
I'm actually starting to seriously consider taking a solo Voyager for the Borg OP 1 event now.

It's daft, it silly, but for some reason, in normal 100 point games, it seemed to do tremendously well tonight...

Federation Flagship
Picard
Attack Pattern Omega
The Needs Of The Many
B'elanna Torres
Scotty (TOS)
Tom Paris
Hikaru Sulu (Evade)
Transprhasic Torpedoes
Quantum Torpedoes
Ablative Generator
Bio-Neural Circuitry.



I don't quite know what I'd do to crop that down to 90 points though. Being able to lock B'elanna inside the warp core for a 'Needs of the Many' seems pretty darn handy. The free battlestations from the Federation Flagship is awesome too (not to mention the extra slots). Any thoughts, folks?

Maybe I should just go with a 'heavily' upgraded voyager, then a second ship, instead of doing every egg in the one basket.

One super ship is the way to go in OP 1. I won my 1st and came in 2nd at another using that strategy. Once the upgrade and captains are gone the cube makes short work of a ship. My only critique would be to take some upgrades that you use one but don't have to have later. The EMH and Torres are great for that. Also take the resistance action whenever you get a chancr. Good luck

Mr. S. Baldrick, I was in an Axanar kind of mood, so I felt like loving on the d-7 Chassis I bit, lol, 2 K'Tinga, 2 D-7, and a B'rel for good measure, lol, Now, to complete my super fleet, 8 d-7s!!! MWUAHAH!!