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 whembly wrote:
I'd still think it's dumb to pepper spray the kids.

If you want it to hurt them... fine them...

Absolutely agree. If nothing else, your costs on the back end will be much lower.


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 Frazzled wrote:
Does that mean it has been GodZimmered?

I prefer Zimmerwin'd.

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I'd still think it's dumb to pepper spray the kids.

If you want it to hurt them... fine them...

Absolutely agree. If nothing else, your costs on the back end will be much lower.

Well the even better option would have been to ignore them, unless they were blocking everything. Maybe pull a Nelson and point and laugh.

Alternatively threaten that they will be forced to go to a Cal State school. they will run screaming.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Does that mean it has been GodZimmered?

I prefer Zimmerwin'd.

 Manchu wrote:
Eichmann's defense is the exact same used here to justify police brutality. Evoking some internet meme doesn't change that.


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 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
I would much rather our Police had the means to prevent civil disorder than having their hands tied and just having to allow it to happen.

I don't oppose police use of pepper spray generally. Spraying a bunch of kids sitting on the ground and then claiming they felt threatened or were just following orders is another matter.

Did you actually watch the video? The unedited video.

Yeah in one of the previous threads.

Then take off the tinted shades man, that about as far from peaceful you could get without actual violence.

Not to mention ample warning was given. Multiple times.

Sorry charlie, I've also read the report on the incident and about the attempted police cover ups. I think you're the one with the tinted shades.

Those cops were totally right, when law enforcement tells you to vacate an area you do it.

I mean, it's not like you get to show up by the busloads when you know an area has been declared off limits, ignore their orders, yell at them for doing their jobs, and then tear down the barricades put in place by law enforcement...

Or maybe it just depends on whether you are a college student, a veteran, or a politician with a camera in your face...

 d-usa wrote:
Those cops were totally right, when law enforcement tells you to vacate an area you do it.

I disagree.

 d-usa wrote:
Those cops were totally right, when law enforcement tells you to vacate an area you do it.

I mean, it's not like you get to show up by the busloads when you know an area has been declared off limits, ignore their orders, yell at them for doing their jobs, and then tear down the barricades put in place by law enforcement...

Or maybe it just depends on whether you are a college student, a veteran, or a politician with a camera in your face...

Of course they were right... but imo, that doesn't justify a face-full of pepper spray when the students are just sitting there.

Best course of action is round their asses up, put them in the slammer... and fine them for their trouble.

Stupid hippies. Spray them again.

 kronk wrote:
Stupid hippies. Spray them again.

O.o

Were they truly hippies? In that case... I may have to readjust my previous statements.

They're from California and they're protesting.

Hippies!

 kronk wrote:
Stupid hippies. Spray them again.

I'm sure that was sarcastic, but I totally agree.

 fishy bob wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Stupid hippies. Spray them again.

I'm sure that was sarcastic, but I totally agree.

Kronk's post reminded me of this

motyak wrote:I've always wondered which is worse, tear gas or pepper spray.

I find OC spray to be worse, but it will vary from person to person, as some people are affected by CS gas to varying degrees.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Meh, He was following orders, What ws he supposed to do? Nothing? Disobey his superiors?

Holy gak, are you joking?

Forar wrote:When I had asp and self defense training, our instructor made sure we were all on the receiving end (both by himself and by our fellow students). It was enlightening.

Especially seeing who flinched back, even knowing we were all getting it.

Point being, I think that's how it should be, and a lot of people and forces seem to agree, but I have doubts it's applied 100%. That's just life.

An ASP collapsible baton will break your bones if you're hit at even close to 100% strength. No doubt about it. And any manager/boss/whoever that hits you with the baton "so you know what it feels like" ought to lose their job and be named in a lawsuit.

Where is my water cannon......

Somebody please do a diarama of that picture...

 Grey Templar wrote:
It doesn't take an expert to determine there was a clear and immediate risk of physical harm to the officers during the incident.

From a bunch of students sitting on the ground?

I've seen how extreme students can go who believe in a cause.

I agree, Students have more heart then sense.

my god this is more stupidity than even I can find laughable;




Yeah. Those students were such a huge threat sitting there, with their heads down. Even the crowd is comparatively tame before and after the incident. There is nothing in that incident that warranted that use of force and anyone arguing otherwise is talking so far out of their ass they might as well be inside out.

All I find laughable is the "Shame on you" Chant like five year olds do.

Mob mentality

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
All I find laughable is the "Shame on you" Chant like five year olds do.

I suppose you think the mature thing would have been to retaliate with pepper spray?

 Jihadin wrote:
Mob mentality

Or jack-booted bully boys.

jack-booted bully boys.

Then I'm a jack booted Bully NCO protecting my interpreter when we get mobbed by locals.

Who are these locals? Unarmed civilian U.S. citizens exercising their constitutional right to peaceably protest? And are you a police officer or a soldier? Or don't you see a difference?

 Manchu wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
All I find laughable is the "Shame on you" Chant like five year olds do.

I suppose you think the mature thing would have been to retaliate with pepper spray?

Or just think something in the lines of "Oh, he's whipped out the spray can. Perhaps we're done here?"

You never been in that situation Manchu. Before we go further remember you view me as a murderer

 Manchu wrote:
Who are these locals? Unarmed civilian U.S. citizens exercising their constitutional right to peaceably protest? And are you a police officer or a soldier? Or don't you see a difference?

As where shown, they where dliberatly antagonizing the officers.

 fishy bob wrote:
Or just think something in the lines of "Oh, he's whipped out the spray can. Perhaps we're done here?"

Don't know how your police work but here in the U.S. we don't usually suspect the police will use disproportionate violence against citizens (well, at least not white college students).