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Most powerful servants of all chaos gods: humans (for they are legion)

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 StarHunter25 wrote:
For khorne I'm pretty sure it's Anngrath for the thirsters now, and either Doombreed or Angron depending on who you talk you.

And just some food for thought, I'm pretty sure Guilliman defeated Angron pre-daemon, then beat lorgar, then beat the newly formed daemon angron.
Perhaps old Rouboute isn't quite the 'Girlyman" everyone makes him out to be...

Uh, Lorgar fought Guilliman to a stalemate in martial combat, both dealing the other grievous injuries, and Lorgar also happened to be unable to use his psychic powers to any significant effect.

Angron, pre-Daemon, beat Guilliman to the ground, leaving him crawling away.

Guilliman also lost his duel against Daemon Fulgrim, the girliest of all primarchs.

 Deadshot wrote:
Khorne's greatest champion varies. Some sources state its Anngrath the Unbound, whereas others such as the GK codex say its Ka'Bandha. Others say Daemon Primarch Angron. This is because Lorgar, as a mortal, was able to defeat Anngrath in single combat with ease, and Angron was known as the most powerful of all the Primarchs in single combat, beating even Russ. So once elevated to Daemonhood he'd be X times as powerful as before and certainly much stronger than Lorgar.

Considering Lorgar "defeating Anngrath" happened during Chaos' sales pitch about how he's the Chosen of Chaos who will save humanity and should totally start a bloody crusade, I wouldn't put too much weight on that. He and his Legion were basically handed dominion over Chaos with their fancy knives and warp flasks and Ruinstorms (they are basically the dark paladin versions of Grey Knights).

No mention of Aetaos'rau'keres? Shame. Furthermore, I don't have access to my books to find the page as it is not given, but Lexicanum says "He is older and more powerful than even the mighty Daemon Primarchs, and it is said that his cloak is made from the skulls of a thousand Space Marines". The citations say this is from the 4E CSM Codex and the Black Legion supplement, although it is not clear if it is citing the "most powerful" or "cloak of skulls" bit. I imagine he would be, though, being the oldest.

It's hard to judge power when Greater Daemons are involved. "X Primarch/Chapter Master/whatever choked a KS/LoC/BT/GUO to death" isn't enough. Just look at the difference between M'kar and N'kari, and they're both Slaaneshi!

It's also entirely possible that there are even greater daemonic entities that lurk in the Warp, far too powerful to ever truly enter realspace (like the Gods themselves). Remember the Great Game; it's quite possible that such servants would be exclusive to inter-God battles and the like. Just a thought.

It can be tricky to nail down who is most powerful as chaos is fickle!

But If I had to say...

tzeentch: Aetaos'Rau'Keres (oldest Lord of change around) OR the blue scribes indirectly as they have ridiculous magical powers

Khorne: Agron is pretty powerful,but I'd say An'ggrath.

Slaanesh: the keeper of secrets Zarakynel

Nurgle: Scabeiathrax, a great unclean one

These are all basically apocalypse characters that cost about 800pts each but their profile says that they are each one bad mofo.

Overall though It's probably Abbadon as he can get them all to come together for a while which makes him pretty damn powerful.


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The empy's most powerful servant is probably whoever runs the Officio Assassinorum. They can have nearly anyone in the universe killed

Khorne's most favourite meat bags ever are the Orcs who battle forever in his front lawn. He liked them so much he made them a little home n everything, so he always has some epic battles to watch.

That's facts.

 Durza wrote:


Guilliman also lost his duel against Daemon Fulgrim, the girliest of all primarchs.

And also the best swordsman, if you believe Perturabo.

Fulgrim is a mighty warrior, and he was a Daemon when he felled Guilliman.


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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
No mention of Aetaos'rau'keres? Shame. Furthermore, I don't have access to my books to find the page as it is not given, but Lexicanum says "He is older and more powerful than even the mighty Daemon Primarchs, and it is said that his cloak is made from the skulls of a thousand Space Marines".

You seem to be confusing Aetaos'rau'keres for Doombreed. Aetao is a mighty Lord of Change, Doombreed an ancient Khornate Daemon Prince.

The citations say this is from the 4E CSM Codex and the Black Legion supplement, although it is not clear if it is citing the "most powerful" or "cloak of skulls" bit. I imagine he would be, though, being the oldest.

I can clear this up for you.

There is literally not a single reference to Doombreed being mightier than the Daemon Primarchs, nor Angron specifically. Not one.

It's hard to judge power when Greater Daemons are involved. "X Primarch/Chapter Master/whatever choked a KS/LoC/BT/GUO to death" isn't enough. Just look at the difference between M'kar and N'kari, and they're both Slaaneshi!

Primarchs have consistently been capable of felling among the most powerful of a God's servants, and this is pre-Daemon. Not to mention, many of their number have been referred to as the most powerful of their servants, either explicitly or implicitly. Angron is called Khorne's favored and mightiest servant on many occasions, for example. Magnus has on at least two separate occasions had his power explicitly compared to the Emperor's, a being far greater than any Daemon.

Also, M'kar is a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided.

It's also entirely possible that there are even greater daemonic entities that lurk in the Warp, far too powerful to ever truly enter realspace (like the Gods themselves). Remember the Great Game; it's quite possible that such servants would be exclusive to inter-God battles and the like. Just a thought.

Possible, but pure speculation at this point I am afraid.


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 Omegus wrote:

Considering Lorgar "defeating Anngrath" happened during Chaos' sales pitch about how he's the Chosen of Chaos who will save humanity and should totally start a bloody crusade, I wouldn't put too much weight on that. He and his Legion were basically handed dominion over Chaos with their fancy knives and warp flasks and Ruinstorms (they are basically the dark paladin versions of Grey Knights).

The text doesn't really imply that An'ggrath let him win though, and that seems very out of character for Khorne.

But then, this was written by ADB. The text never really implied that Curze beating the gak out of the Lion was a "draw", but apparently, it was. El oh el.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
No mention of Aetaos'rau'keres? Shame. Furthermore, I don't have access to my books to find the page as it is not given, but Lexicanum says "He is older and more powerful than even the mighty Daemon Primarchs, and it is said that his cloak is made from the skulls of a thousand Space Marines".

You seem to be confusing Aetaos'rau'keres for Doombreed. Aetao is a mighty Lord of Change, Doombreed an ancient Khornate Daemon Prince.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was referring to Doombreed with the "Furthermore" bit.

Also, M'kar is a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided.

Hm. I don't know why I thought he was Slaaneshi, then! I may have gotten confused by idle references to N'kari.

M'kar is actually a former officer of the Word Bearers.

Lexicanum explicit states:

"He is older and more powerful than even the mighty Daemon Primarchs, and it is said that his cloak is made from the skulls of a thousand Space Marines."

Seems like a straight forward enough statement saying he is the most powerful.

Lexicanum is not an official source.

Mellow wrote:
Lexicanum explicit states:

"He is older and more powerful than even the mighty Daemon Primarchs, and it is said that his cloak is made from the skulls of a thousand Space Marines."

Seems like a straight forward enough statement saying he is the most powerful.

Also keep in mind that even if this is an official text somewhere in 40k lore, we all know how unreliable it is with multiple contradictions and retconn galore.

Surely Lexicanum would have got the quote from a previous GW article?

Mellow wrote:
Surely Lexicanum would have got the quote from a previous GW article?

No, they would not have.

Doombreed has appeared all of four times in the fluff. The 2e Chaos codex, the 4e Chaos Marine codex, the 6e Black Legion supplement, and Liber Chaotica. I've read all four, and nowhere is Doombreed said to be stronger than the Daemon Primarchs.

The only fluff that indicates that there even are Princes more powerful than the Daemon Primarchs is the 4e Chaos Marine codex, which is contradicted by essentially every other statement on the subject ever.