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http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/10/forgeworld-becomes-official-for.html

Rumor: FW to become "officially approved" for 40K use.

Hahah

Nothing official yet, of course, but we were told this exact thing at the beginning of 6th by folks that knew what they were talking about and gamers doubted. Looks like the move to integrate FW and 40K is becoming more and more real.

People can still choose not to use it just like Double FoC or whatever, but this ties in to what we were told before 6th dropped, just like the allied mini-dexes as we called them which are the supplements, etc. which have all become a reality over time.

We shall see, but I am curious to hear how other TO's will react to this. We've been using FW in events for a year now and have had absolutely no issues with it at all, apart from Blackmoor who was mad that his opponent's turrets confused him but then Blackmoor categorically opposes FW so I take that with a grain of salt And just for the record Blackmoor, this is not meant to be an attack, just some friendly teasing as you so publicly oppose FW.

As the game becomes progressively more complex to the point that no normal player can possible keep up with it (we can barely keep up with it and we do this as our profession) including FW really changes nothing. We were also told that this was the intent of the game designers: to make the game so complex that the meta was in constant flux to avoid stagnation as we had at the end of 5th.

There are a few problem units in FW but the awesome thing about the company is that they actually listen to, and respond to feedback. I am appalled by that stupid new Tau suit and we wrote them and they asked for our feedback on the unit and are taking it into consideration. Nice!

Generally speaking though, nothing in FW is as powerful as what you can pull out of the Daemons, Tau, and Eldar books and help to bring more diversity to the game, and allow other armies combos to let them compete.

Discuss!

Natfka is just quoting an anonymous source who is predicting the language that already was published in the Chapter Tactics update.

Garbage.

Don't rain on my parade, pretre! hahaha

But seriously, we were told this exact same thing by someone who legitimately knows what they're talking about and who also predicted a ton of stuff, all of which has come to pass. We'll see of course, but I think there is a lot of veracity to this. BL is producing rules now, their books are cannon, FW is becoming more "official.' It makes sense for GW to consolidate everything to cross promote and encourage more sales of their various brands and products.

As you say, we had this exact same rumor at the start of 6th ed and nothing came of it.

Also, "via an anonymous source on Faeit 212" tends to be wrong more often than not, according to pretre's rumor tracker

Not to mention, until GW puts something in the main rulebook, people will still question it.

 RiTides wrote:
As you say, we had this exact same rumor at the start of 6th ed and nothing came of it.

Also, "via an anonymous source on Faeit 212" tends to be wrong more often than not, according to pretre's rumor tracker

That's not what I said

Nothing has come of it yet.

We also said to expect Genesteeler Cults at the beginning o 6th, and that hasn't happened yet, either, but we keep hearing rumors that it will. Time will tell.

I tend to agree with you that a lot of the new units/combos in the new codexes are just as bad if not worse then FW. Early in 6th FW was overpowered because FW had access to many special rules like Interceptor and Skyfire that the codecies at the time just did not have. Also a lot of the rule changes benfited FW units w/o comprable points increases (IG arty, etc)

FW has been updating their stuff fairly quickly lately but I still see the problem as to which rule book is legal at any given time and still accessiblity of their products. I hope FW releases a master sheet as to what is the current legal rule set.

 pretre wrote:
Not to mention, until GW puts something in the main rulebook, people will still question it.

Haha, people question it when it IS in the book, haha.

 Reecius wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
As you say, we had this exact same rumor at the start of 6th ed and nothing came of it.

Also, "via an anonymous source on Faeit 212" tends to be wrong more often than not, according to pretre's rumor tracker

That's not what I said

Nothing has come of it yet.

We also said to expect Genesteeler Cults at the beginning o 6th, and that hasn't happened yet, either, but we keep hearing rumors that it will. Time will tell.

There's been rumors of Genestealer Cults for years and yet here we are. I guess on a long enough timeline you'll be right.

 Reecius wrote:
Time will tell.

It will indeed, and if it ever does you get to say "I told you so" in big capital letters all over the forum

But until then, the title is pretty much the reverse. The idea that FW becoming official is "inevitable" has so had nothing happen to back it up... and all the reasons for it's current inclusion or exclusion is aptly covered in the 50+ page thread that we just had:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/530411.page

I know you want the reverse to be true, but the facts just don't bear it out right now... also, I say that as I prepare to register for an event that allows forgeworld (the AdeptiCon team tournament) so I'm not hating... just saying

Believe what you will on the topic, of course.

I actually did some research on the Genesteelr cult thing. GW lost the rights to the IP and only just recently got them back. As Nids are to be released relatively soon, I think in 2014 we shall see if the Cult rumor is true after the Nid release. Then I shall very immaturely rub it in your face, good sir! just kidding of course.

Anyway, who cares. I don't have a dog in that fight other than hoping to see GSCs come back because they're cool.

As for FW, I am very curious to see if this is true. People can still play how they choose, of course.


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 RiTides wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
Time will tell.

It will indeed, and if it ever does you get to say "I told you so" in big capital letters all over the forum

But until then, the title is pretty much the reverse. The idea that FW becoming official is "inevitable" has so had nothing happen to back it up... and all the reasons for it's current inclusion or exclusion is aptly covered in the 50+ page thread that we just had:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/530411.page

I know you want the reverse to be true, but the facts just don't bear it out right now... also, I say that as I prepare to register for an event that allows forgeworld (the AdeptiCon team tournament) so I'm not hating... just saying

Oh I know, I was just teasing and that article made me laugh for the implications.

Either way it comes down to TO and player choice.

We shall see! If it turns out to be true, even if it is super immature, I may have to blast a big, "Told You so!" hahaha

If not, only fair to tease me, too!

I'll give you a big ol' true on the tracker if it does.

Haha, fair enough!

 Reecius wrote:
We shall see! If it turns out to be true, even if it is super immature, I may have to blast a big, "Told You so!" hahaha

If not, only fair to tease me, too!

Sounds good Reecius, and it'll be well deserved either way

pretre- If it ever comes to pass, make sure to add some bold and exclamation marks too

Petre should be raining on your parade.

All they're saying is FW is tweaking its already-present "it's Official" language.

The result is, no matter where you stand on the issue and/or for what reasons (and I still think most "new" pro-FW advocates are disingenuous in their motives, mostly hoping to use shiny new powerful toys enabled by the allies rules and the FAQs/amendments/6th Edition rules impacts on IG, but that's another discussion), until GW themselves comes out and says "yay or nay," there'll always be a debate ...

Why?

Because those who want FW legality say THEY'RE OWNED BY GW, THEREFORE EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS AS IF THEY'RE GW ... and those who don't say COME ON, THEY DON'T EVEN PLAYTEST TOGETHER AND THEY ARE DISTINCT FROM EACH OTHER, IT'S NOT AS IF FW CAN SPEAK FOR GW CODICES ... SO HOW CAN THEY SPEAK FOR GW RULEBOOKS?!!?!

Also, come on bra, leave poor Allan alone. He's been beat up over FW enough already :p


PS - There's not really any "told you so" to be had; most of the community and TOs have long held the impression there's a push toward legalizing FW or getting more people to buy it (And why wouldn't there be), while most of us have simultaneously listened to the broad community opinion on it and tried to make good decisions about our events based upon that opinion. By community opinion I mean our own event constituents, and the community at large; I think most events have made the right call (meaning, sometimes FW is and sometimes it isn't, presently).

That said, /giant hugs. I do hope GW comes out and says one way or another, AS GAMES WORKSHOP (not as operating component FW) "YES USE IT" or "NO NOT IN TYPICAL GAMES." It would make life easier for everyone involved.

MVBrandt wrote:
. I do hope GW comes out and says one way or another, AS GAMES WORKSHOP (not as operating component FW) "YES USE IT" or "NO NOT IN TYPICAL GAMES." It would make life easier for everyone involved.

That would pretty much solve it.

And it's a bit misleading to say that Black Library is making rules now. GW Digital isn't Black Library. It's the digital outlet of the actual studio.

And by no means do the current "supplements" match the allied codexes we heard about last year. That might change with Codex: Inquisition but time will tell on that one.

I know you love FW Reece but isn't it a little silly to grab on to a rumor from that blog with such gusto?

Yeah, good call, BL doesn't produce rules, they just distribute GW rules.

 Hulksmash wrote:


I know you love FW Reece but isn't it a little silly to grab on to a rumor from that blog with such gusto?

Only if I was a reasonable person

@Mike

Hey, Alan goes on every podcast he can and at every opportunity argues against FW, I think he deserves a little friendly ribbing!

That's exactly why he's already black and blue from all the ribbing haha

Hahaha, ok fair enough Mike, you make a good point.

Blackmoor, I am genuinely sorry if I hurt your feelings I was just joshing around and I hope you took it in the spirit it was intended =)

At the end of the day, everyone will choose to go with what they want for their event, it just makes me do a happy dance to see that FW may become more "mainstream."

I demand a youtube video of said dance.

The Independent Characters got the happy dance on film from Adepticon two years ago (after a LOT of beers) and I thank the Emperor it has never shown up anywhere!

 Reecius wrote:
Blackmoor, I am genuinely sorry if I hurt your feelings I was just joshing around and I hope you took it in the spirit it was intended =)

You didn’t hurt my feelings. I have my big-boy pants on and just like with Dugg, it is all in good fun.

Also, I will not cry if GW allows it in their games and makes it official. That is all I ask, and all I am waiting for. If that did happened that would mean that when I suckle at GWs teat, I can finally drink deep the nourishing forge world milk that has sustained Carl for these many long years.

Until that happens though, I will continue to rage against it.

 pretre wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
. I do hope GW comes out and says one way or another, AS GAMES WORKSHOP (not as operating component FW) "YES USE IT" or "NO NOT IN TYPICAL GAMES." It would make life easier for everyone involved.

That would pretty much solve it.

But they won't. They don't even have the balls to say their FAQs are "official".

I think the title would have been better with Peregrine instead of Blackmoor, and instead of tears...well.

But this will be interesting if it turns out to be true, that's for sure.

Reecius this is really good news indeed.

I think you meant "rumor" not "news"

Cool *Puts R'Varna In Cart*
But this is pretty sweet, I have been going over the new chapter Tactics and they seem great for fun games, so im glad I will have little resistance to using my White Scars as.....im not sure yet


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 Blackmoor wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
Blackmoor, I am genuinely sorry if I hurt your feelings I was just joshing around and I hope you took it in the spirit it was intended =)

You didn’t hurt my feelings. I have my big-boy pants on and just like with Dugg, it is all in good fun.

Also, I will not cry if GW allows it in their games and makes it official. That is all I ask, and all I am waiting for. If that did happened that would mean that when I suckle at GWs teat, I can finally drink deep the nourishing forge world milk that has sustained Carl for these many long years.

Until that happens though, I will continue to rage against it.

why did you put that image in my head?

 Reecius wrote:
Don't rain on my parade, pretre! hahaha

But seriously, we were told this exact same thing by someone who legitimately knows what they're talking about and who also predicted a ton of stuff, all of which has come to pass. We'll see of course, but I think there is a lot of veracity to this. BL is producing rules now, their books are cannon, FW is becoming more "official.' It makes sense for GW to consolidate everything to cross promote and encourage more sales of their various brands and products.

Not sure that BL is PRODUCING rules - so much as DISTRIBUTING rules.


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 Reecius wrote:
The Independent Characters got the happy dance on film from Adepticon two years ago (after a LOT of beers) and I thank the Emperor it has never shown up anywhere!

We are holding it for a REALLY good discount from Frontline....