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2013/11/09 00:07:32
Subject: Re:Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
FRONTLINE GAMING SHORT BUS!!!! The Zero Comp Team has feelings too! durrrr
Warboss of Team TableWar Team Zero Comp RankingsHQ Rank 12,000+ Evil Sunz ... and a whole lotta WAAAGH!!! 4,000+ Space Marines 3,500+ Chaos Space Marines 3,000+ Imperial Guard
2013/11/09 04:08:19
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Reecius wrote: I ride in a resin bus that was made by Forge World, driven by Rosa Parks and powered by Unicorns.
Unicorns you say?
Are you sure it isnt a resin induced illusion?
It's a well known fact that FW mix resin in with their crack.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
DakkaRank Comment: I sound like a Power Ranger.
TFOL and proud. Also a Forge World Fan.
I should really paint some of my models instead of browsing forums.
2013/11/09 15:58:29
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Reecius wrote: Everyone is welcome on the Forge World short bus! We don't discriminate!
Is this the "bus" you are talking about?
The new CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is the only way to travel in style. Now with secondary heavy bolters so you can bolt whilst you bolt, the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT also contains an exclusive de-odouriser, making the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT the only vehicle in the Imperium that doesn't stink like an Ork.
See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
Putin.....would make a Vulcan Intelligence officer cry. - Jihadin
AFAIK, there is only one world, and it is the real world. - Iron_Captain
DakkaRank Comment: I sound like a Power Ranger.
TFOL and proud. Also a Forge World Fan.
I should really paint some of my models instead of browsing forums.
2013/11/09 19:10:17
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
The Team Zero Comp Bus always smells like... [sniffing, pondering] ... victory
Warboss of Team TableWar Team Zero Comp RankingsHQ Rank 12,000+ Evil Sunz ... and a whole lotta WAAAGH!!! 4,000+ Space Marines 3,500+ Chaos Space Marines 3,000+ Imperial Guard
2013/11/12 12:33:48
Subject: Re:Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
The hard line that the few voices like Peregrine, vaktathi, and NeedleOfInquiry take about forgeworld and tournaments is more damaging to the case than helpful IMO.
I'm sorry but I am not the one to go quietly sit in the back of the bus on command...
I think one play by all of the rules....or one does not....
Cheaters would be an example of those who do not play by the rules...
I see no difference between a guy caught with crooked dice or a modified codex on his IPAD than a tournament organizer who runs a 1999 +1 tournament...to avoid a part of the 2000 point 2x FOC or bans other rules he does not like.
Its all the rules for 40K or it's not... I am not an appeaser.
If you have to house rule your tournament don't call it a 40K tournament.
Call it a "Kinda like 40K Tournament but I threw out the things that were too difficult for me or I did not like"
Nothing wrong with running such a tournament as long as you tell folks right out you can not deal with all the rules for 40k as GW desired, There are those who are comfortable doing that and other WAAC actions.
Many of these tournaments draw large crowds and all the organizers I see do post their modification to the game for the event. But they do modify the game from how GW writes it...
They remind me of other exclusive groups who use to meet and excluded folks who thought differently....They also had a sit in the back mentality for others and saw nothing wrong with it since they were not being asked to sit in the back but were instead asking the other folks to do it. Funny how that mental mechanism works...
Look up Rosa Parks... or better yet...
Parks recalled going to elementary school in Pine Level, where school buses took white students to their new school and black students had to walk to theirs:
"I'd see the bus pass every day... But to me, that was a way of life; we had no choice but to accept what was the custom. The bus was among the first ways I realized there was a black world and a white world.
If this pisses you off you need to ask your self why... If it is a false analogy I should just look stupid in your eyes, if you are pissed off then that is another matter. Words only sting when there's a hint of accuracy about them.
If you see the same people over and over at your events and they are all playing the same armies at some point you have to wodor why that is.... Is it your custom?
You do.
1) The audacity of comparing the fact that people on the internet think differently then you about what toys are appropriate to play with to civil rights is dumbfounding. Almost impressively so.
2) The reason the people in this thread you're referring to cater to the opinion of tournament players isn't because they believe that "tournament players are the majority". It's because tournament players are the ones who attend the events - the events ARE TOURNAMENTS. Why would they cater to anyone other than the people who are paying to attend their events? If you want to play with FW outside of an event there is literally nothing stopping you, this is a game, outside of sanctioned tournaments you can write your own rules for all most people care.
Just compare this situation to the holocaust and hitler and you will win the internets
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2013/11/12 19:35:02
Subject: Re:Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Just compare this situation to the holocaust and hitler and you will win the internets
Oh, Oh! By claiming that I should run a tourniment not according to the rules but according to the rules as you interpret them, you're being a Nazi and should stop screaming hate for FW into a mic like Hitler?
How many Internets do I win>?
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2013/11/12 19:53:08
Subject: Re:Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Just compare this situation to the holocaust and hitler and you will win the internets
Oh, Oh! By claiming that I should run a tourniment not according to the rules but according to the rules as you interpret them, you're being a Nazi and should stop screaming hate for FW into a mic like Hitler?
Who's this Hilter guy? I hear he plays Jet Council, and I believe he played Screamer Star before that. I don't really care what he plays, he sounds like a scrub.
Warboss of Team TableWar Team Zero Comp RankingsHQ Rank 12,000+ Evil Sunz ... and a whole lotta WAAAGH!!! 4,000+ Space Marines 3,500+ Chaos Space Marines 3,000+ Imperial Guard
2013/11/13 00:07:10
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Dugg wrote: Who's this Hilter guy? I hear he plays Jet Council, and I believe he played Screamer Star before that. I don't really care what he plays, he sounds like a scrub.
He likes using a lot of tanks so he sounds like a FWIG player.
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0030/11/13 03:07:15
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
I saw a list today that features Ultramarines allied with Red Scorpions. I can understand the sentiment against allowing Forge World in a tournament now.
Dugg wrote: Who's this Hilter guy? I hear he plays Jet Council, and I believe he played Screamer Star before that. I don't really care what he plays, he sounds like a scrub.
He likes using a lot of tanks so he sounds like a FWIG player.
Odd, with his love of flyers I would have expected him to be a Necron Flying Circus sort of player.
2013/11/13 15:07:06
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Dugg wrote: Who's this Hilter guy? I hear he plays Jet Council, and I believe he played Screamer Star before that. I don't really care what he plays, he sounds like a scrub.
He likes using a lot of tanks so he sounds like a FWIG player.
Odd, with his love of flyers I would have expected him to be a Necron Flying Circus sort of player.
Oh! He was totally a Cron Air player, he's a bit of Meta Cheese banwagoner though. I'm sure he is working on a TauDar list right this moment. Ironically enough he has never played with ForgeWorld.
also... Some Say, he was the first forum Troll and the very first person to be kicked off and banned for life from every forum on the "InterWeb".
Warboss of Team TableWar Team Zero Comp RankingsHQ Rank 12,000+ Evil Sunz ... and a whole lotta WAAAGH!!! 4,000+ Space Marines 3,500+ Chaos Space Marines 3,000+ Imperial Guard
2013/11/13 15:11:47
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Dugg, not to distract from your tangent here, but your flag is reading China, as Alpharius' has been... is there some sort of wargaming event I don't know about, or are you there for production stuff for TableWar, etc? Just curious
2013/11/13 16:02:26
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
I know that adepticon next year i am skipping the champs on thursday because my team and friendly lists are FW heavy and I would rather not play without it. So I am playing x-wing instead on thursday.
2013/11/14 02:34:17
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
The Warrior's Code document is pretty clear about which books you can use! The Imperial Armour lists are not on the list, so I'm afraid that means they are not in use at most of our events. We do allow their use at some events, notably Campaign Weekends, Legendary Battlefields and Forge World specific events. You can, of course use the models as appropriate stand-ins eg Death Korps as Imperial Guardsmen and Contemptor Dreadnoughts as Dreadnoughts!
The reason we have made this call is that Forge World products are, essentially, expansions to the main Warhammer 40,000 game, much like Apocalypse, Cities of Death and Planetstrike. As such, we choose to allow their use where the format of the event suits it. Forge World have told us their lists are designed to be used as narrative, story telling armies, not necessarily for one-off pick up games. As such, we follow their advice!
I hope that answers your question Nick Bayton
Events Manager
Of course he skirts around if their supposed to be used for tournaments, which do not exist in GW eyes, even if they hold them.
Of course given how the rest of the "warrior's code" nonsense is so blatantly "BUY MORE GW MODELS BUY BUY BUY BUY!!!!!!" it's not surprising that the sales staff would say that events are core products only. It's probably best to stop thinking about GW events as games and start thinking about them as opportunities to show off your painted models and buy more GW products.
And the bit about "FW rules aren't for pickup games" pretty directly contradicts what FW have said (unofficially) when people have asked, so I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2013/11/14 19:34:08
Subject: Re:Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
A rather contradictory statement to be sure, and would appear as if the event organizer is not particularly well acquainted with FW products as FW units are not just designed for narrative scenario play. Either way, it's just the event organizer for one location's events with only one major tournament, and, as noted, most GW events have been designed to drive sales of core channel products. Just another wrench in the works
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2013/11/14 20:01:03
Subject: Blackmoor, get a tissue because if this is true, you're going to be shedding some tears, bud!
Is it contradictory? It sounds more like he's saying FW is just as official as Planetstrike, Apocalypse, etc. That's to say, he acknowledges it's entirely official, but also not part of the core game, and thus by nature less common in a broadly attended public event where expectations are more variable. That something is an expansion does not render it unofficial, and similarly that something is official does not render it as part of the core game. He's making a clear note that there is in fact a Core Game, and expansions and supplements to it. Coupled w/ the Code rules you see a clear statement that the digital supplements and codices are all part of the Core, while the things excluded but still produced by one of GW's design studios (FW, GW, BL, etc.) are Official Expansions.
None of GW's stance on this really has much impact on the tournament scene and TO decision-making, however, and most of us are going to continue to allow FW in some of our events and not in others so as to address the wider swathe of the populace that's inclusive of FW lovers and FW ... well, dislikers at the least
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