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The only pre-assembled stuff I've gotten from Wyrd is PVC, which is on par with most PVC, which is to say, lame, not great assembly, covered in ugly mold lines, and not worth my time unless an excellent deal.

Absolutionis wrote:"Every model in The Other Side will come preassembled and ready for play. "

Ugh... suddenly my interest crashed

sockwithaticket wrote:I dunno, I was trying to assemble an Austringer last night. Tiny, separate bird legs that have to connect not just to the bird but the arm too. Multiple separate bits of rope to align...

Yea, my interested piqued up at preassembled, entirely because I no longer enjoy building Wyrd minis, after doing a couple dozen. I can't do TOS if it's not simplified assembly or preassembled, despite how thematic actually losing my mind building an army would be.

spiralingcadaver wrote:The only pre-assembled stuff I've gotten from Wyrd is PVC, which is on par with most PVC, which is to say, lame, not great assembly, covered in ugly mold lines, and not worth my time unless an excellent deal.

Buuuuut if the material used is garbage, then I'm back out.

I mean, I ultimately don't need another army-scale minis game, especially with AOS becoming quasi-functional and WMH MK3 having just hit. Nor do I need another game that uses card mechanics (assuming!), as I've got MFX for that.

- Salvage

Just something one of the staff at Wyrd mentioned on their forum - sales of pre assembled PVC models was higher than expectations in general regardless of material for both Aionus and the Twisted Alternate set. People bought loads of them. You can't blame them for repeating something that had high sales volumes.

I've got no complaints about their Twisted Alternates. Mold lines were minimal and what there was come off easily with a knife. Pre assembled means you don't need to faff about constructing the models. Detail was still up there with their other stuff. The material is still a bit bendy, but I've got no issues with it so far. I'll grab the starter for The Other Side to see if I want to deal with it for larger quantities.

I've heard from leaked rules over on /tg/ that the undead bandits are both undead and tormented keyword wise. As someone who has Jack Daw and already ordered Parker Barrows, this is great!

 Rygnan wrote:
I've heard from leaked rules over on /tg/ that the undead bandits are both undead and tormented keyword wise. As someone who has Jack Daw and already ordered Parker Barrows, this is great!

EDIT: For safety, removing this (PM If needed).

 Dr. What wrote:

 Rygnan wrote:
I've heard from leaked rules over on /tg/ that the undead bandits are both undead and tormented keyword wise. As someone who has Jack Daw and already ordered Parker Barrows, this is great!

The NDA is finally ended now, so if anybody has questions, feel free to ask.

But yeah, they work with both crews. You get generic bandits, tormented bandits, and last blossom bandits.

What the actual feth are those Neverborn horror flies? Fae? Nightmare?

 Dr. What wrote:

 Rygnan wrote:
I've heard from leaked rules over on /tg/ that the undead bandits are both undead and tormented keyword wise. As someone who has Jack Daw and already ordered Parker Barrows, this is great!

The NDA is finally ended now, so if anybody has questions, feel free to ask.

But yeah, they work with both crews. You get generic bandits, tormented bandits, and last blossom bandits.

Wait, so those three Chinese-looking swordsmen are the ones that are "Last Blossom" and "Bandit"? Or are the Last Blossom models something else?

Other quick questions:

1. Is Carlos Vasquez a "Showgirl"? Are there any other Showgirls?

2. What exactly is the "weapon" of the Guild Field Reporters? What do they do?

3. Were there any models/units that you tested that were not previewed in those faction wallpapers?


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Apparently the Titania box set is out of stock online. Wow.

 Absolutionis wrote:
"Every model in The Other Side will come preassembled and ready for play. "

Ugh... suddenly my interest crashed

I am the opposite - this s a big plus in my eyes.

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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
The only pre-assembled stuff I've gotten from Wyrd is PVC, which is on par with most PVC, which is to say, lame, not great assembly, covered in ugly mold lines, and not worth my time unless an excellent deal.

Which pieces were those? The only PVC release I was ware of was the Tortoise and Hare, and those looked pretty good from the few pics I saw.

Bossk, also aionus. And I think PVC's a perfectly reasonable medium, as long as either it's priced appropriately (cheap) like board game stuff, or done fantastically like Journey. Anywhere else, and I think it's overpriced cost-cutting trash that ruins perfectly good sculpts and takes too much work to be worth the time

Dr What- I was on playtest too, and never got a note about the NDA being modified... where'd you see that?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Bossk, also aionus. And I think PVC's a perfectly reasonable medium, as long as either it's priced appropriately (cheap) like board game stuff, or done fantastically like Journey. Anywhere else, and I think it's overpriced cost-cutting trash that ruins perfectly good sculpts and takes too much work to be worth the time

Dr What- I was on playtest too, and never got a note about the NDA being modified... where'd you see that?

A Wyrd Place/Asking Henchman, but just to be safe I'm going to reconfirm and I redacted my stuff.

Pre assembled = no sale for me


Shame..
I hope the rules are good, I'll find proxies from malifaux itself maybe

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Bossk, also aionus. And I think PVC's a perfectly reasonable medium, as long as either it's priced appropriately (cheap) like board game stuff, or done fantastically like Journey. Anywhere else, and I think it's overpriced cost-cutting trash that ruins perfectly good sculpts and takes too much work to be worth the time

Dr What- I was on playtest too, and never got a note about the NDA being modified... where'd you see that?

Were the details soft on those, or just a lot of mold lines/headache.

I totally agree on pricing a PVC model the same as a HIPS/resin kit is awful.

Though honestly lots of my Zombicide black plague figures have better detail than lots of my Wyrd plastics. I can remove a mold line, but nothing is going to give those Through The Breach models faces any character or their clothing actual texture.

Bossk, your standard PVC fair, soft edges that should have been sharper, areas where volume obviously shrunk more than they expected, shallow details. Not worse, but also not better, than what I'm used to. I gave it a chance since I'd always considered Wyrd to have high technical standards in most regards, but these were entirely unimpressive.

Boo-urns, that's a shame. The hare in particular had great concept art.

Wyrd moving to prebuilds and streamlined rules is not unexpected. They're making the game more of a boardgame, and that's a good thing, as it's a MUCH larger market.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Wyrd moving to prebuilds and streamlined rules is not unexpected. They're making the game more of a boardgame, and that's a good thing, as it's a MUCH larger market.

If you look at the sample unit card, it looks about as complex as Malifaux. Multiple stats, multiple attacks, triggers on suits, etc, including what looks like points costs. I wouldn't say it's sounding much like a board game.

They're likely doing prebuilds for two reasons - one, people will need more than a handful of models, and their HIPS plastic are hilariously complex to build with the small amount Malifaux uses, and two, their current PVC prebuilds have sold gangbusters so they're giving the buying community what they obviously want.

OOTB play is what makes it a board game vs a hobby game.

Having a board makes it a board game.

In Malifaux news, more information is trickling out about stuff in Ripples of Fate from people that grabbed the book at Gencon.

Those orange blob monsters on the Gremlin wallpaper are Akaname, which I had to look up. That's absolutely hilarious and really fits Gremlins. They're also dual 10T Oni. Apparently they are great at spreading poison, and can lower other models poison to drop scheme markers.

The Werepiggremlins are Swine Cursed. They have a (0) that swaps then between the Werepig and a normal Gremlin which also heals them, and have built in Glowy bonus.

OK, fair enough. I just know it isn't complexity that defines a board game, having struggled through a variety of unnecessarily complex board games.

Yeah, they've pushed the boundaries of board games lately. However, I'd be shocked if ToS ended up as a boardgame. It's a perfect excuse to do larger scale tabletop wargaming in the Malifaux universe.

Also, to be fair, there's boardgames now that are not prebuilt. Games Workshop boardgames come to mind, and the absurd Kingdom Death.

Multiple, complex stats is definitely a thing in board games.

http://imperial-assault.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Vader

True.

Back to Malifaux, someone on Facebook also spilled the beans about the undead faerie things. They're Fae Wisps, 3ss. Ability to make enemies drop friendly scheme markers (hi Titania, you wanted scheme markers). Also some ranged attacks with various effects like Slow.

Those skull-faced aborable chubby barely-flying things are 3ss? And they're scheme runners?

Terror tots may have some competiton.

Sounds like they fulfill different roles. They make enemies drop friendly schemes, which ties in with Titania wanting to bunch up. Enemies charge in, Wisps make them drop scheme markers for Titania, also healing her. Then if they don't move, they could take more damage from the scheme markers they just dropped from Thirsty Roots.

Terror Tots are super fast scheme runners, good for running off by themselves rather than staying in the group.

Apparently this was at Gencon, some WIP models.



Front and center is the 12 of Crows from the old fate deck. Nathan was asking for some suggestions for Twisted Alternates a month or so ago, and someone suggested this. He said he'd forgotten about it and 'filed it away for later'. That it's done so fast either means he fast tracked it or actually had it in the works already. Wonder what it could be.

Found this info on the RoF Guild release from Borja in the Guild Malifaux group on Facebook.

[spoiler]New guild info from WYRD forum:

NEW MODELS

Nellie is already known.

Printing Press(PeonConstruct Journalist)

probably the best Totem guild has, which is great because most of ours are situational at best. Armor 2 with 4 wounds. It's got a below average df which hurts it. It's abilities are Arcane Resevioir(same as Hannah's) and Mistep which deals minimal damage to enemies that are pushed in base with terrain and models near it. Mistep is situational but good against models like Teddy.

its melee is good at disengagin strikes and can give out slow. But it doesn't do damage unless you get its trigger. It's zero chain activates Nellie and gives her Evidence.

Phiona Gage(Henchman Living Journalist)

she is a melee beat stick. She is Living with no construct shenanigans with Hoffman sadly. But she is 6's all around with an ability that ups her Df in terrain. She is Hard to Kill, and has a really good melee that can hit multiple models or give them negatives to Wp tests. This combines well with Nellie's Wp attacks. Also if you fail a Wp test near her she gets to attack. No ranged attacks

Allison Dade(Henchman Living Journalist)

she is a long read needless to say she has really good stats and an attack with Multiple triggers. Her activation means everything for her abilities as they do different things before and after activation; one hurts enemies if they try to attack the other heals allies.

Her attack slows and can do some damage if Guardsmen are nervy. It's triggers can destroy scheme markers, do more damage, or do pushes.

the rest of her actions can reveal your opponents hand to you if they don't discard a scheme marker. Another is a condition that does damage to the target when they activate.

Reporters(Minion Living Journalist Woe)

Similar to Allison Dade they are manipulative. They also have multiple triggers in their attack and unimpeded.they have a Tactical which can destroy scheme markers and replace them with your own and Reference the field guide as a zero. The attack is complex but it auto triggers push target enemy(cannot target allies) away from it, can damage target with condition when it activates, slow, or negatives to all attack actions.

Death Marshal Recruiter(Enforcer Living Guild Marshal) Rare 2

He has an ability to stop Guild Marshals within an aura from being killed by an attack by healing them to one wound instead.(can affect leaders) it can zero to give out the Guild Marshal characteristic, non-leader only.

It can attack buried models(look out Aonus) as long as you discard a card.

It doesn't have a pine box but it does have glimpse the void on its melee.

Witchling Thrall(Living MinionWitch Hunter)

12 wound 9ss minion that has impossible to wound and auto passes horror duels. This guy has Lucius's name all over him. It's melee vs df has auto triggers depend on opponents Wp, one heals his wounds the other causes opponent to discard a card.

It's ranged attack can make a target's Wp 6 which can benefit Sonnia and models like the Thrall that get bonuses against Wp6 models, because they attack Df they don't have to worry about the boost.

There is a zero action to push him towards a friendly model but if you get a crow he has to trigger and attack.

NEW UPGRADES:

Guild Funds(Nellie)

This is probably the upgrade that would be on Nellie's card if there was room. Gives a defensive trigger to her to gain Evidence, adds more evidence tricks, and gives her the ability to claim model deaths from conditions.

Since she has a built in tome for Df this seems like a no brainier to auto include.

Embedded(Nellie)

This will be an upgrade I will never leave home without. It allows you to hire non-Ressers or Neverborn Mercs at their regular cost. And increases the limit from two Mercs to four. I've got a plan with Hans and Envy that I want to try

Erm... Journalists are Woe? That's interesting. Doesn't do much, but interesting.

If the pre-assembled stuff is of the same quality as the regular Wyrd stuff, great.

I'd expect the quality of Aionis and the Tortoise and Hare.